Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[Litta123]

Kind of switching gears, but here's something that I've wondered about...

We've all seen Andi display behavior that indicates she likes to be in control. When things aren't always going the way she likes, the diva in her comes out (emotional outburst with Eric...temper/attitude with Josh). We've seen Josh stand up to this part of Andi and seemingly diffuse it -- and to me at times, diffuse it with his humor before she can let it out fully. Josh acknowledges this characteristic of Andi and indicates a willingness to handle it. IMO, his willingness stems, in part, from his caretaker personality.

OTOH, with Nick, we've seen Andi call out his saltiness. To his credit, we've seen him take responsibility for it and apologize as needed. I think Andi is strong enough to stand up to Nick/call him out on things -- and individual growth seemingly takes place within him. In that sense, Andi is a good match for Nick.

But can anyone recall a time where Nick has called Andi out on her stubbornness/diva behavior? I can't, but perhaps I'm having a memory lapse. I wonder how Nick would respond when he begins to see this part of Andi. Would he embrace it like Josh has?

I wonder this because I grew up in a family of six kids -- there wasn't anytime or patience for diva-ish behavior. It was more of an environment of "get over it." I wonder if Nick who grew up in a family almost twice as large would feel the same way. Obviously, this is speculation on my part, but I really would have loved to have seen how Nick would handle this part of Andi...and, frankly, if he would want to.

[Ash2214]

Kind of switching gears, but here's something that I've wondered about...

We've all seen Andi display behavior that indicates she likes to be in control. When things aren't always going the way she likes, the diva in her comes out (emotional outburst with Eric...temper/attitude with Josh). We've seen Josh stand up to this part of Andi and seemingly diffuse it -- and to me at times, diffuse it with his humor before she can let it out fully. Josh acknowledges this characteristic of Andi and indicates a willingness to handle it. IMO, his willingness stems, in part, from his caretaker personality.

OTOH, with Nick, we've seen Andi call out his saltiness. To his credit, we've seen him take responsibility for it and apologize as needed. I think Andi is strong enough to stand up to Nick/call him out on things -- and individual growth seemingly takes place within him. In that sense, Andi is a good match for Nick.

But can anyone recall a time where Nick has called Andi out on her stubbornness/diva behavior? I can't, but perhaps I'm having a memory lapse. I wonder how Nick would respond when he begins to see this part of Andi. Would he embrace it like Josh has?

I wonder this because I grew up in a family of six kids -- there wasn't anytime or patience for diva-ish behavior. It was more of an environment of "get over it." I wonder if Nick who grew up in a family almost twice as large would feel the same way. Obviously, this is speculation on my part, but I really would have loved to have seen how Nick would handle this part of Andi...and, frankly, if he would want to.

Some really great thoughts. I remember when Andi called Nick out for being salty on the group date, he basically said to her on their Venice date in the gondola "you were right and I was wrong" and then all was right between the two of them again essentially. I'm not really meaning this to be a slight to Nick, but it's funny because in the plane video (which I think is real) Nick said Josh would let Andi do whatever she wanted and Josh would never basically say no to her. During the season, we've seen the opposite of that. Eric stood up to her and we saw Josh give some fight back on more than one occasion. He doesn't back down from her in the least bit, but at the same time he knows how to handle her and diffuse her occasional diva like behavior.

[pander3575]

Kind of switching gears, but here's something that I've wondered about...

We've all seen Andi display behavior that indicates she likes to be in control. When things aren't always going the way she likes, the diva in her comes out (emotional outburst with Eric...temper/attitude with Josh). We've seen Josh stand up to this part of Andi and seemingly diffuse it -- and to me at times, diffuse it with his humor before she can let it out fully. Josh acknowledges this characteristic of Andi and indicates a willingness to handle it. IMO, his willingness stems, in part, from his caretaker personality.

OTOH, with Nick, we've seen Andi call out his saltiness. To his credit, we've seen him take responsibility for it and apologize as needed. I think Andi is strong enough to stand up to Nick/call him out on things -- and individual growth seemingly takes place within him. In that sense, Andi is a good match for Nick.

But can anyone recall a time where Nick has called Andi out on her stubbornness/diva behavior? I can't, but perhaps I'm having a memory lapse. I wonder how Nick would respond when he begins to see this part of Andi. Would he embrace it like Josh has?

I wonder this because I grew up in a family of six kids -- there wasn't anytime or patience for diva-ish behavior. It was more of an environment of "get over it." I wonder if Nick who grew up in a family almost twice as large would feel the same way. Obviously, this is speculation on my part, but I really would have loved to have seen how Nick would handle this part of Andi...and, frankly, if he would want to.

Very interesting.

[happygolucky]

Litta - very good point.
She never really displayed that kind of diva-ish behavior with Nick (of the scenes we've seen) ... that's why I find her more likeable with him. If that part of her has any need and desire to come out even in her most intimate relationship, then that's my biggest reason to be extremely happy if the spoilers are right. (Hope I explained)

[Ash2214]

Litta - very good point.
She never really displayed that kind of diva-ish behavior with Nick (of the scenes we've seen) ... that's why I find her more likeable with him. If that part of her has any need and desire to come out even in her most intimate relationship, then that's my biggest reason to be extremely happy if the spoilers are right. (Hope I explained)

But she did. At least in my opinion. Nick didn't like being on a group date and Andi made a big deal out of it. The only thing that essentially calmed her down about it was on her date with him in Venice where he flat out said "you were right and I was wrong." The fact that the only thing that made her "okay" with their relationship again was that he needed to say she was right and he wasn't. That a bit of diva behavior in my opinion.

[albean99]

That really wasn't diva behavior to me. Andi seemed to revert to her D.A. role with all of the guys and that was the type of grilling he got. Nick certainly saw Andi get angry at Eric and his instinct was to calm her down. That may be one of his roles as one of the eldest in his large family. I don't really see Andi as a diva but she has her own "salty" moments.

[flslp87]

But she did. At least in my opinion. Nick didn't like being on a group date and Andi made a big deal out of it. The only thing that essentially calmed her down about it was on her date with him in Venice where he flat out said "you were right and I was wrong." The fact that the only thing that made her "okay" with their relationship again was that he needed to say she was right and he wasn't. That a bit of diva behavior in my opinion.

But if you were in a relationship where you were the one who was always in control, wouldn't it get boring after a while?   IMO Andi has a similar personality to Josh's mom and he has watched his dad 'handle' his mom for years, hence his ability to diffuse any issues.

[Litta123]

Litta - very good point.
She never really displayed that kind of diva-ish behavior with Nick (of the scenes we've seen) ... that's why I find her more likeable with him. If that part of her has any need and desire to come out even in her most intimate relationship, then that's my biggest reason to be extremely happy if the spoilers are right. (Hope I explained)

  happy, I think you explained it well.

IMO, Andi's diva-ishness (I probably just made up that word   ) will come out at some point. At this stage in her life, that is seemingly a part of who she is. She acknowledges this with Josh and even on "Live with Kelly & Michael." So, I would think that part of her would have to show up with Nick in some way. He wouldn't just miraculously make it go away.

She can aspire to be a better self with him, but I doubt it would happen without many bumps in the road. The question would be how willing/patient would Nick be while Andi goes through this change. Even a better question is -- does Andi want to change?

ETA: Ash, I guess I need to watch that scene again. I don't recall Andi being a diva with Nick, but perhaps you are right.

[happygolucky]

Ash - that wasn't "diva" behavior from Andi's part ... she called him out on his crap ... and she had every right to, he was behaving like a big baby (his words) ... I adore Nick and because of that I can say with all honesty, that he is one who needs a strong woman by his side (which Andi is) who can help him find balance ... it's in his nature, in his character to go from one place to another and have extreme mood changes, someone here or on some other thread wrote much better about him being introvert in extrovert "body", so he does need some sort of "lead" or referring point, but by any means a brat/diva by his side.

Now Andi will give us an answers on what she wants and needs by choosing the right guy for her tomorrow (although we all know she already made her choice).
If by any chance she chooses Nick, maybe that requires of her to change too, or at least not to convey the diva-ish manner. Maybe that's one thing that Nick's character can help her.
I'm not saying one guy is better than the other ... frankly I have no idea who is better for her, because I don't know Andi at all.

[Alanna]

I don't think Nick knows what a brat she can be and if he did, I'm not sure he'd be so into it and find it not a big deal. Josh's attitude is like, "oh it's cute because I can totally handle her," and we've seen her him do it on more than one occasion, and Andi even admits to it. Just by what Josh is saying in how he sees their relationship, it doesn't seem like he's ok to put up with her behavior in terms of letting her get her way, but more like helping her calm down, find the humor in it, and things like that.

I don't think Nick would have any idea what to do if she tried to start a power struggle other than telling her she's right like Ash pointed out happened in Venice. This is why some of the things she says about Nick seeing all of her are confusing to me. She admits she's a diva/brat and Josh knows it, but Nick seems to have no idea but he's the one that sees into her soul? I have no idea what's going on there.

[Ash2214]

Ash - that wasn't "diva" behavior from Andi's part ... she called him out on his crap ... and she had every right to, he was behaving like a big baby (his words) ... I adore Nick and because of that I can say with all honesty, that he is one who needs a strong woman by his side (which Andi is) who can help him find balance ... it's in his nature, in his character to go from one place to another and have extreme mood changes, someone here or on some other thread wrote much better about him being introvert in extrovert "body", so he does need some sort of "lead" or referring point, but by any means a brat/diva by his side.

Now Andi will give us an answers on what she wants and needs by choosing the right guy for her tomorrow (although we all know she already made her choice).
If by any chance she chooses Nick, maybe that requires of her to change too, or at least not to convey the diva-ish manner. Maybe that's one thing that Nick's character can help her.
I'm not saying one guy is better than the other ... frankly I have no idea who is better for her, because I don't know Andi at all.

What real crap? He wasn't excited to be on a group date? I can see calling him out on it that night, but she dragged it to their next 1-on-1 date too. She didn't need to take it to the extent that she did. He could have easily explained why they're so difficult for him, but he understand it's the process of the show and hopefully ending up with her. Instead, he said with these exact words "you were right and I was wrong." Nick gave Andi the control. With Josh, he doesn't let her walk all over him. He fights back and in other instances, he diffuses her. Josh just isn't in control and neither is Andi. They both have it and that is a good thing in a relationship. And the only reason why she was diva-ish with Josh was because she was scared sh!tless he wouldn't feel the same about her.

We'll agree to disagree.

[Litta123]

I don't think Nick knows what a brat she can be and if he did, I'm not sure he'd be so into it and find it not a big deal. Josh's attitude is like, "oh it's cute because I can totally handle her," and we've seen her him do it on more than one occasion, and Andi even admits to it. Just by what Josh is saying in how he sees their relationship, it doesn't seem like he's ok to put up with her behavior in terms of letting her get her way, but more like helping her calm down, find the humor in it, and things like that.

I don't think Nick would have any idea what to do if she tried to start a power struggle other than telling her she's right like Ash pointed out happened in Venice. This is why some of the things she says about Nick seeing all of her are confusing to me. She admits she's a diva/brat and Josh knows it, but Nick seems to have no idea but he's the one that sees into her soul? I have no idea what's going on there.

So funny...

Yes, this does seem to be a glaring contradiction...at least from the edit we've seen.

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