Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[ironcat]

IMO all her reactions to Josh's gifts and attention and affection are different than other guys. When he gave her the roses and she called him babe, it wasn't just what she said but she was literally squealing and throwing herself at him. Even the baseball card thing, instead of bristling that he's already changed her last name like she did with Nick and the front runner comment, she is happy and giddy. Jmo.

I see a lot of comments like this and it's hard for all of us to watch without bias but I don't see where Andi is so much more into Josh than she is with Nick. It's just different imo. It's also really hard to compare individual clips because that's all it is. Even the dates themselves are so choppy & short. I do think Andi picks Josh but also feel that no matter what she says after the fact, it was close between the guys.

As you have said elsewhere, it's mostly all subjective.  For me, of all of the seasons I have watched (opted out of a few), this season was one of the most obvious to me in that I saw Andi very different very early on with Josh.  As she said during his HTD, she had her ups and downs with Josh due to her fear during which times she would pull back.  So, in my opinion and has been stated by a couple of others, it was her own fear that kept others in consideration but once she was able to "know deep down" that Josh loved her, her final decision was made.  And I think that happened in Tampa.

For me, even though I do see a difference in Andi's behavior towards Josh, especially at the end, and think she picked him, I don't find this season to be as obvious as some past ones, because she has been quite physically demonstrative with Nick. The two that I felt nobody could possibly miss were Meredith's and Ashley's, yet there were certainly viewers who did (I believe on Meredith's, a poll taken right before had 60% believing she was choosing Matthew over Ian   ). So it's definitely subjective, and if you have a favorite, or even a slight preference, sometimes difficult not to "see what you want to see" and reject what you don't.

[docnash14]

I see a lot of comments like this and it's hard for all of us to watch without bias but I don't see where Andi is so much more into Josh than she is with Nick. It's just different imo. It's also really hard to compare individual clips because that's all it is. Even the dates themselves are so choppy & short. I do think Andi picks Josh but also feel that no matter what she says after the fact, it was close between the guys.

As you have said elsewhere, it's mostly all subjective.  For me, of all of the seasons I have watched (opted out of a few), this season was one of the most obvious to me in that I saw Andi very different very early on with Josh.  As she said during his HTD, she had her ups and downs with Josh due to her fear during which times she would pull back.  So, in my opinion and has been stated by a couple of others, it was her own fear that kept others in consideration but once she was able to "know deep down" that Josh loved her, her final decision was made.  And I think that happened in Tampa.

For me, even though I do see a difference in Andi's behavior towards Josh, especially at the end, and think she picked him, I don't find this season to be as obvious as some past ones, because she has been quite physically demonstrative with Nick.  The two that I felt nobody could possibly miss were Meredith's and Ashley's, yet there were certainly viewers who did (I believe on Meredith's, a poll taken right before had 60% believing she was choosing Matthew over Ian   ).  So it's definitely subjective, and if you have a favorite, or even a slight preference, sometimes difficult not to "see what you want to see" and reject what you don't.

Don't get me wrong I definitely believe that she enjoyed kissing Nick (ala Andy with Bevin), as well as Marcus (at least early on) although I agree with some of the others who see Andi pulling back from Nick as early as the FD date.  I also think like the majority of us Andi digs external validation and thus reacted positively to some of the guys (especially Nick's) proclamations of love (i.e. Chris declaring his in the sky).

[albean99]

I see a lot of comments like this and it's hard for all of us to watch without bias but I don't see where Andi is so much more into Josh than she is with Nick. It's just different imo. It's also really hard to compare individual clips because that's all it is. Even the dates themselves are so choppy & short. I do think Andi picks Josh but also feel that no matter what she says after the fact, it was close between the guys.

As you have said elsewhere, it's mostly all subjective.  For me, of all of the seasons I have watched (opted out of a few), this season was one of the most obvious to me in that I saw Andi very different very early on with Josh.  As she said during his HTD, she had her ups and downs with Josh due to her fear during which times she would pull back.  So, in my opinion and has been stated by a couple of others, it was her own fear that kept others in consideration but once she was able to "know deep down" that Josh loved her, her final decision was made.  And I think that happened in Tampa.

For me, even though I do see a difference in Andi's behavior towards Josh, especially at the end, and think she picked him, I don't find this season to be as obvious as some past ones, because she has been quite physically demonstrative with Nick.  The two that I felt nobody could possibly miss were Meredith's and Ashley's, yet there were certainly viewers who did (I believe on Meredith's, a poll taken right before had 60% believing she was choosing Matthew over Ian   ).  So it's definitely subjective, and if you have a favorite, or even a slight preference, sometimes difficult not to "see what you want to see" and reject what you don't.

I was a huge fan of Ian and his edit was brutal. They threw everything at him, calling him a vagabond vs the guy next door. They sliced and diced their parts and did everything they could to hide their obvious chemistry. There were no spoilers in those days so a lot of people bought the edit. I was sure it was Ian and even so had to talk myself down when she called Matthew honey at one point.  

[Beagle]

As you have said elsewhere, it's mostly all subjective.  For me, of all of the seasons I have watched (opted out of a few), this season was one of the most obvious to me in that I saw Andi very different very early on with Josh.  As she said during his HTD, she had her ups and downs with Josh due to her fear during which times she would pull back.  So, in my opinion and has been stated by a couple of others, it was her own fear that kept others in consideration but once she was able to "know deep down" that Josh loved her, her final decision was made.  And I think that happened in Tampa.

For me, even though I do see a difference in Andi's behavior towards Josh, especially at the end, and think she picked him, I don't find this season to be as obvious as some past ones, because she has been quite physically demonstrative with Nick.  The two that I felt nobody could possibly miss were Meredith's and Ashley's, yet there were certainly viewers who did (I believe on Meredith's, a poll taken right before had 60% believing she was choosing Matthew over Ian   ).  So it's definitely subjective, and if you have a favorite, or even a slight preference, sometimes difficult not to "see what you want to see" and reject what you don't.

Don't get me wrong I definitely believe that she enjoyed kissing Nick (ala Andy with Bevin) as well as Marcus (at least early on).  I also think like the majority of us Andi digs external validation and thus reacted positively to some of the guys (especially Nick's) proclamations of love (i.e. Chris declaring his in the sky).

See, what has attracted me more about Andi and Nicks story is not so much the kissing, but the mental connection. I found their conversations interesting, they had a flow to them, they could easily talk about anything to each other. Nick has a way of expressing his feelings that I find really attractive. Josh is a good guy, he has a lot of great qualities  but I just find his personality so generic, but I can see how he is Andis type and she belongs in his world.

[Pattycake92]

Andi had the best final 4 and by FAR, the hottest group of guys. I wish they would've saved some of the hotties for next season. I mean Marcus, Chris, Josh and even Nick are all so freakin good looking. I wish Andi well with her chosen one. I feel that she will pick Josh, not sure they will last long term but if others can, why can't they? I can't wait to see the DRAMA unfold tomorrow night as I think she is in love with both guys. Should be good.

[Ash2214]

^ See, for me and it's just my opinion, I never fully understood the "mental connection." Like a few others have stated, I 100% saw the physical connection and that they enjoyed being physical with each other. When I think of their best moments, I think of their physical connection and for example, when he was able to sneak out and get some extra time with her. What was really said during that time that eluded to a mental connection? All he really said, and she never really gave him much back, was that he had insane feelings for her and would say to himself that he was going to marry her. The best part of that little segment was when they passionately made out against the tree.

Again, on the fantasy date, what was said that really eludes to a mental connection? The whole time on the beach they made out and he was tongue tied and couldn't expressed that he loved her. During the night portion, we mostly saw him read her his story book and then when he told her he loved her. Again, for me at least, the biggest thing I took from that was that he loved her and they enjoyed making out as was evident when they kissed after he told her he loved her.

It's just my opinion, but I saw them closer in the beginning of the season than I did in the end part of it. The difference started for me on the hometown date and even now looking at the previews for tomorrow, I can see a noticeable difference. Perhaps it would make more sense for me to say that I could see a mental connection earlier in the season, but during the past three or so episodes, I sawa physical connection. It's really cool though reading everyone's interpretation of the two relationships that she has with the F2 guys. It's always nice too when the F2 are good guys.

[remockered]

I sometimes wonder if they nudged her towards Josh, thinking they would get a Mesnick ending and it backfired on them.

[Ash2214]

I just think when they decided to cast Josh they knew there would be a good chance Andi would fall for him (hence her type, where he lives, and they share similar backgrounds) and they knew if she didn't pick him he would be the perfect candidate for the bachelor. I think they probably knew they hit the jackpot either way.

[luvlady345]

See Ash, I don't understand or get it either as far as what we were shown with the edit I didn't see one conversation with Nick that was so mentally stimulating..... The only mentally stimulating conversation (an it was very little) was with Eric everyone else's conversation was just getting to know you, just normal boy meet girl conversations... Like I said earlier in a post I hoped that Andi towed the company line where as the majority of the leads in saying that they only knew on the final day because Andi was one of those leads that enjoyed her time with each of her guys...

[ThankMeLater]

I sometimes wonder if they nudged her towards Josh, thinking they would get a Mesnick ending and it backfired on them.

I have to disagree. It seemed that they were trying to get her away from Josh as she kept having doubt's in which some were probably told to her by producers IMO.

[luvlady345]

I sometimes wonder if they nudged her towards Josh, thinking they would get a Mesnick ending and it backfired on them.

If you look at the edit, I think they were nudging her towards Nick IMO, the flowers, letting him go to her room etc....

[Mirzam]

I sometimes wonder if they nudged her towards Josh, thinking they would get a Mesnick ending and it backfired on them.

If you look at the edit, I think they were nudging her towards Nick IMO, the flowers, letting him go to her room etc....

I agree. I wonder if this was because he was the only viable F2, among the bunch, Josh was just so far ahead for her?

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