Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[soccermom333]

I guess time will tell, and we will all see and hear for ourselves----FROM THEM---- how they are doing at the ATFR.  :cutesmile!: 

[Jeepers]

Just see yee of little faith .. And don't understand the reasoning...

[soccermom333]

Exactly, Andi felt very bad after how she treated Eric. She posted that to say I am not perfect and make mistakes.

We also can't forget all the clues out there----and there is a BIG list posted here somewhere----to let us know Josh and andi are seeing each other post show and doing great!    We will see soon!

[pander3575]

I don't find it all that hard to believe that Andi could have realized that she & Josh weren't a good fit post show but think she's way to stubborn to admit it if that were the case. I also don't think she'd pull a Mesnick for the same reason. I see her wanting the fairy tale ending.

One potential problem could be that Josh seems to be very conservative and very religious. Him quoting Rick Warren made me wonder about that. Thats not how I see Andi so have no idea if it would be an issue. It would be with me.

With the bolded my mind really jumped to Sean and Cat with Sean being very religious and I doubt Cat was to the same degree but it worked. We really don't get an idea through her time on JPG and this time what her feelings are on the topic of religion. Other couples have worked so it may or may not be an issue in their relationship. Only time will tell.

[stuckinsc]

Exactly, Andi felt very bad after how she treated Eric.  She posted that to say I am not perfect and make mistakes.  

We also can't forget all the clues out there----and there is a BIG list posted here somewhere----to let us know Josh and andi are seeing each other post show and doing great!     We will see soon!

I have to disagree, her sit down with CH on the episode when Eric left was not her feeling bad, just that he was sad it was their last interaction. I was waiting to hear her say, I over reacted or take any blame at all. She did not. It wasn't all her fault, but yes she was part of it and never acknowledged that. As doc has pointed out, she has seemed to show some growth with Josh, but other than that all I see is Andi's way or the highway. So maybe she should pick Josh. I just like him too much to want to see him stuck with her.

As for Sean and Cat, well they are very well matched, but I will also say that as an outsider it does seem that Cat did more adjusting post show. She was happy to, so that isn't a problem to me. But even in the talk before the FS, it was very much that Andi would be Andi and Josh would support her, not that she would change and grow. Just my opinion.

[Alanna]

Exactly, Andi felt very bad after how she treated Eric.  She posted that to say I am not perfect and make mistakes.  

We also can't forget all the clues out there----and there is a BIG list posted here somewhere----to let us know Josh and andi are seeing each other post show and doing great!     We will see soon!

I have to disagree, her sit down with CH on the episode when Eric left was not  her feeling bad, just that he was sad it was their last interaction.  I was waiting to hear her say, I over reacted or take any blame at all. She did not.  It wasn't all her fault, but yes she was part of it and never acknowledged that.  As doc has pointed out, she has seemed to show some growth with Josh, but other than that all I see is Andi's way or the highway.  So maybe she should pick Josh.  I just like him too much to want to see him stuck with her.

As for Sean and Cat, well they are very well matched, but I will also say that as an outsider it does seem that Cat did more adjusting post show. She was happy to, so that isn't a problem to me.  But even in the talk before the FS, it was very much that Andi would be Andi and Josh would support her, not that she would change and grow.  Just my opinion.

I think real growth happens organically, not saying "I will grow!" and then suddenly, you're a different person. IMO, she is already totally different with him than she is with anyone else and we have ever seen her before. She was deeply insecure before him, although she tried to hide it, but now that she has the unconditional love and support of her guy, I think we'll see a different side. Even in the Youtube interview she tweeted, she is more relaxed, funnier, and generally friendlier than pre filming.

Really, I think we have barely even seen who Andi can be because she is always pretending so hard to be her ADA persona. However, if that was her true nature, her f1 would be someone like Brian or Deanna's husband, not a more traditionally masculine guy. So there is definitely something going on here with Andi's personality and her preferences that we're not privy to if she was really this hardened, cynical woman imo. We'll see what's going on and how she's acting post show, ultimately time will tell. JMO.

[Luvvy]

^^I agree Alanna. She seems more comfortable in the softer side of herself, more secure, more open and confident without being too stern or bitchy. I think that can be called growth, maturity, and I think Josh has ultimately helped her to feel comfortable with that part of herself.

I see stuckinsc's point that Josh may be the one having to make more compromises because Andi will be Andi, but I think he's shown that he's no pushover so hopefully they can find a good balance and challenge each other to be better at the same time.

[stuckinsc]

Exactly, Andi felt very bad after how she treated Eric.  She posted that to say I am not perfect and make mistakes.  

We also can't forget all the clues out there----and there is a BIG list posted here somewhere----to let us know Josh and andi are seeing each other post show and doing great!     We will see soon!

I have to disagree, her sit down with CH on the episode when Eric left was not  her feeling bad, just that he was sad it was their last interaction.  I was waiting to hear her say, I over reacted or take any blame at all. She did not.  It wasn't all her fault, but yes she was part of it and never acknowledged that.  As doc has pointed out, she has seemed to show some growth with Josh, but other than that all I see is Andi's way or the highway.  So maybe she should pick Josh.  I just like him too much to want to see him stuck with her.

As for Sean and Cat, well they are very well matched, but I will also say that as an outsider it does seem that Cat did more adjusting post show. She was happy to, so that isn't a problem to me.  But even in the talk before the FS, it was very much that Andi would be Andi and Josh would support her, not that she would change and grow.  Just my opinion.

I think real growth happens organically, not saying "I will grow!" and then suddenly, you're a different person. IMO, she is already totally different with him than she is with anyone else and we have ever seen her before. She was deeply insecure before him, although she tried to hide it, but now that she has the unconditional love and support of her guy, I think we'll see a different side. Even in the Youtube interview she tweeted, she is more relaxed, funnier, and generally friendlier than pre filming.

Really, I think we have barely even seen who Andi can be because she is always pretending so hard to be her ADA persona. However, if that was her true nature, her f1 would be someone like Brian or Deanna's husband, not a more traditionally masculine guy. So there is definitely something going on here with Andi's personality and her preferences that we're not privy to if she was really this hardened, cynical woman imo. We'll see what's going on and how she's acting post show, ultimately time will tell. JMO.

I will be happy to be proven wrong. I keep an open mind and then admit when I was wrong. I loved Jef, now I will admit, that maybe he wasn't who I thought he was. I thought there was no way Des was really over Brooks, and maybe she wasn't but I truly believe she and Chris have a great relationship now. I expected to completely hate JPG, turned out I liked his honest approach to being the bachelor and that he stuck to his guns. It wasn't what everyone likes, but I appreciated it. I adore Nikki, so if JPG makes her happy, then I want her to be with him. But if he doesn't, I will still admire her and want the best for her.

I enjoy this show and make my opinions based on what I see. I don't really know any of these people, so of course at the end of the day I can be wrong about them. I hope that I am honest enough to admit when I am wrong. But sometimes, my gut instincts are right.

Which is it with Andi? No idea, I will have to wait and see.

[Jeepers]

^^I agree Alanna. She seems more comfortable in the softer side of herself, more secure, more open and confident without being too stern or bitchy. I think that can be called growth, maturity, and I think Josh has ultimately helped her to feel comfortable with that part of herself.

I see stuckinsc's point that Josh may be the one having to make more compromises because Andi will be Andi, but I think he's shown that he's no pushover so hopefully they can find a good balance and challenge each other to be better at the same time.

Excellent post  :cutesmile!: 

[docnash14]

Yes, Andi posted that after the episode where Eric left. That's also the same picture that Lauren Murray favorited on Twitter.

that's interesting cos it still doesn't make sense to me that Andi would be remorseful about her actions as MISTAKES...I'd think she's not describe it as her having made a mistake (from what we've seen of her) cos her conversation with Eric was in a VERY GREY area...he told her he thought she was being pokerfaced and and actress she took offense I don't think she'd consider sending him away a mistake...cos as much as that was not a great scenario...it was also a very clear misunderstanding between them vs something she ended up being sure she was wrong about that's just my 2 cent

I look at it differently. In fact, i am heartened by this quote especially because she acknowledged mistakes. As stuckinsc and I have discussed previously and as she just reiterated in a post above, my "issue" with Andi has been her seeming inability to take responsibility for her actions (I can't say for sure but I would conjecture that her payoff in not doing so is that it keeps her from her feelings of shame/inadequacy, etc.). I saw this first with the FS debacle with JP and then again with Eric. As you and I, emusha, discussed previously, just as with the lie detector issue with Josh, in my opinion, Andi did make a mistake with Eric. That being said, I can have compassion for her as I don't think she deliberately mis-interpreted what Eric was saying to her; rather, I believe her insecurities as they do for all of us, commandeered her filter which in turn mis-heard what I think was Eric's real intent. As a consequence, she felt criticized which galvanized the activation of those feelings of shame which manifested itself as a "shame attack." In the interview with CH I did not see her acknowledge the role she played. The good news is that, as I have seen in other instances, including with Josh, Andi does seem to possess the ability to retrospect and then come back to the person and process more accurately what really happened. Perhaps her tweeting that quote exemplifies this.

[stuckinsc]

Yes, Andi posted that after the episode where Eric left. That's also the same picture that Lauren Murray favorited on Twitter.

that's interesting cos it still doesn't make sense to me that Andi would be remorseful about her actions as MISTAKES...I'd think she's not describe it as her having made a mistake (from what we've seen of her) cos her conversation with Eric was in a VERY GREY area...he told her he thought she was being pokerfaced and and actress she took offense I don't think she'd consider sending him away a mistake...cos as much as that was not a great scenario...it was also a very clear misunderstanding between them vs something she ended up being sure she was wrong about that's just my 2 cent

I look at it differently.  In fact, i am heartened by this quote especially because she acknowledged mistakes.  As stuckinsc and I have discussed previously and as she just reiterated in a post above, my "issue" with Andi has been her seeming inability to take responsibility for her actions (I can't say for sure but I would conjecture that her payoff in not doing so is that it keeps her from her feelings of shame/inadequacy, etc.).  I saw this first with the FS debacle with JP and then again with Eric.  As you and I, emusha, discussed previously, just as with the lie detector issue with Josh, in my opinion, Andi did make a mistake with Eric.  That being said, I can have compassion for her as I don't think she deliberately mis-interpreted what Eric was saying to her; rather, I believe her insecurities as they do for all of us, commandeered her filter which in turn mis-heard what I think was Eric's real intent.  As a consequence, she felt criticized which galvanized the activation of those feelings of shame which manifested itself as a "shame attack."  In the interview with CH I did not see her acknowledge the role she played.  The good news is that, as I have seen in other instances, including with Josh, Andi does seem to possess the ability to retrospect and then come back to the person and process more accurately what really happened.  Perhaps her tweeting that quote exemplifies this.

Very good point Doc! I was disappointed in her sit down with CH, but since this came after that, maybe she did see her lack of ownership and tweet, IG or whatever this out in response. I do try to give her credit where I can. I have seen her grow with Josh as you have pointed out. It maybe the best relationship for her and I will support them if they are a couple, but won't be shocked if it doesn't work out. Truthfully, I have grown used to being shocked when the relationships on this show do last, so nothing new in that for me.

[Ash2214]

Well said docnash! My favorite part of the whole fantasy date episode was when Andi openly and willing told Josh she can be difficult. She admitted it and she knows it. Josh immediately called her out on it and said she had already been difficult with him. I remember on the lie detector test date he simply said he didn't like it because he felt like they finally built some trust between the two of them and she got super defensive and in my eyes made matters worse, but what was great was that Josh didn't allow her to walk all over him. I think this will be good for Andi because I don't think she's ever really been with someone that would tell her "no" and that's not to say anything bad about Andi. Sometimes that's just the way it is and I do think Josh will be good for her in this regard.

When she was recapping her relationships she did say that Josh recognizes that she can be a diva and bratty and understands it and how he sees all of her. It's a good thing that Josh recognizes this, but it's also great he doesn't let her off the hook either.

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