Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

I'm a Nick fan. I believe the video is legit and he is F2. No way he would go along making fun of the loser like that. It's just completely ridiculous to think it is fake IMO. Including things he says regarding her changing her mind at the last minute, it was so easy with them. It all seems to fit with what actually happened.

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

All fair questions, Sophie.
I think Nick or anyone can be both genuine and strategizing at the same time... I mean it's a big theme of the season, right?
If I'm Nick, I'd make the video to:
1. protect my not frontrunner status - aka hide in plain sight - make it easier to see Andi
2. help MF/TPTB stick it to RS
3. have 'fun' with the viewers - a la what Chris and Elon did last year handing out the roses

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

Sophienette....good question. I guess you could say I'm a Nick "fan" (although I like Josh a lot too). For a long time, I thought this video was a set up by TPTB to get RS. The more times I watched the video, I concluded that "what we see is what we get". A real phone call to a friend/family member from a rejected guy.
What I'm still struggling with is what happened AFTER this video? I'm still not 100 percent sure that Andi is still with Josh. In the back of my mind, we could have Mesnick 2.0. Just a feeling I have.......

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

Some of my fellow TeamNick crew have good arguments, but I am still unsure.  My only thoughts of it being fake are (1) Elan being Elan (2) RS (3) audio was so good (4) chances of someone sitting there and noticing Nick (who had not been spoiled as a contestant) and (5) the part of the video where he was making negative comments about Josh, he looks like he's about to laugh as he looks back, like 'is that enough'.  BUT, the other portion of the video is logical and could've happened -and-why would they even bother?

SueSt wrote:

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

All fair questions, Sophie.
I think Nick or anyone can be both genuine and strategizing at the same time... I mean it's a big theme of the season, right?
If I'm Nick, I'd make the video to:
1. protect my not frontrunner status - aka hide in plain sight - make it easier to see Andi
2. help MF/TPTB stick it to RS
3. have 'fun' with the viewers - a la what Chris and Elon did last year handing out the roses

Personally whether I'm a fan of Josh, Chris or Nick I wouldn't think this is "fun". It would irritate the heck out of me. There's no reason to do it since they already have played Nick up as a "villain" (which to me is a stretch).

sophienette -- i am not here to answer your question about the plane that you posed to nick fans...
but I have growing suspicions since Nick's filming in MKE last week coupled with his deliberately HORRIBLE edit (no chance of TB over Marquel & Chris contenders) and Josh's tweets' themes that don't seem to be of an over-the-moon happily engaged person... I sense something "off" with this season whatever it may be - something's not adding up exactly - and this is not to root for one guy over another but I just feel like there's something under the surface of what happened after all is said and done and ppl were back home. and i'm trying to follow the clues what that could be.

pander3575 wrote:

SueSt wrote:

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

All fair questions, Sophie.
I think Nick or anyone can be both genuine and strategizing at the same time... I mean it's a big theme of the season, right?
If I'm Nick, I'd make the video to:
1. protect my not frontrunner status - aka hide in plain sight - make it easier to see Andi
2. help MF/TPTB stick it to RS
3. have 'fun' with the viewers - a la what Chris and Elon did last year handing out the roses

Personally whether I'm a fan of Josh, Chris or Nick I wouldn't think this is "fun".  It would irritate the heck out of me.  There's no reason to do it since they already have played Nick up as a "villain" (which to me is a stretch).  

It also isn't the entire viewing audience, its RS's readers, the super fans. It's taking things a bit further than handing out roses.

I go back and forth about the video. For me personally, IF the video is a foiler , then
1. All three were involved and agreed to do it, either as a joke or to throw people off. Remember Elan's fake tweet war with Diane?
2. This is a wild guess, but we didn't hear the entire conversations, what if the person on the other line had said "how would you react if you were f2" or "what would be your worst words against Andi/Josh".
I know I know, I am grasping straws here!!
It's not the contents of the video that make me go hmmm..., it's the circumstances that are questionable, IMO. Again, what are the chances of someone who happened to recognize Nick days before his bio was released, who immediately sent the video to RS (instead of this board!!) out of the supposedly 50 passengers of that flight? How come no one else came forward to support the video? What about the passenger who was next to Nick and complained he's too loud? Nick didn't notice he was being filmed and being followed? Things really make me scratch my head....
So, sophie, like you can't "get around the video being fake", I can't get around how the video was made and sent to RS right away.
Anyway, I don't even know if we will get all our questions answered.

pander3575 wrote:

SueSt wrote:

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

All fair questions, Sophie.
I think Nick or anyone can be both genuine and strategizing at the same time... I mean it's a big theme of the season, right?
If I'm Nick, I'd make the video to:
1. protect my not frontrunner status - aka hide in plain sight - make it easier to see Andi
2. help MF/TPTB stick it to RS
3. have 'fun' with the viewers - a la what Chris and Elon did last year handing out the roses

Personally whether I'm a fan of Josh, Chris or Nick I wouldn't think this is "fun".  It would irritate the heck out of me.  There's no reason to do it since they already have played Nick up as a "villain" (which to me is a stretch).  

When he made the tape he didn't know what his edit was going to be....

Thank you all for your opinions and thoughts! I am trying to take all in...

what are the chances of someone who happened to recognize Nick days before his bio was released

woah really?? his bio wasn't even posted publicly on May 11th (right?) when the convo was recorded???

emusha wrote:

what are the chances of someone who happened to recognize Nick days before his bio was released

woah really?? his bio wasn't even posted publicly on May 11th (right?) when the convo was recorded???

Considering I created his gallery on the 3rd of April, I doubt it. That was 5 weeks.