Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #4

[Guest]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

So if he is manipulated to go sneak to Andi's room, via this video….could he be manipulated to make a foiler video about the end of this via the airplane video?  

Nice -     I've always had trouble doubting the video myself, but that is a point well made.

[SueSt]

^^Beautiful. Did we figure out if he snuck to her room before or after the group date?

If he did it before she must have liked it considering he also got the GDR and more time alone.

He snuck into her room after the date with Marcus. April 11.
Just  in the wee hours before she had her date with Josh. April 12th
Have not totally confirmed if the group date was the 10th or the 13th but from the official write-up, it appears that the group date was on the 13th.

But back to my point that I made earlier in the day or late last night (whatever it was) ,
Andi and Nick did spend a LOT of time together in Brussels.
Sneaking into her room - total set up scenario with the hotel clerk - AS IF??!!
The clerk doesn't know who Andi Dorfman is and that she is NOT married???!!
With TV cameras rolling around all over the place???
C'mon.   
I was born at night but not last night!

The day of the Group date. The rail bike and the castle tour and then, dinner and evening in the beautiful romantic, riverside town of Dinant.
No wonder the other guys were ticked. AND he had the rose to boot, the only rose going into the RC,  guaranteed HTD, 'sitting pretty'.

so not to be 'indelicate' - but do you think they slept together when he made the room visit?

[soccermom333]

^^Beautiful. Did we figure out if he snuck to her room before or after the group date?

If he did it before she must have liked it considering he also got the GDR and more time alone.

He snuck into her room after the date with Marcus. April 11.
Just  in the wee hours before she had her date with Josh. April 12th
Have not totally confirmed if the group date was the 10th or the 13th but from the official write-up, it appears that the group date was on the 13th.

But back to my point that I made earlier in the day or late last night (whatever it was) ,
Andi and Nick did spend a LOT of time together in Brussels.
Sneaking into her room - total set up scenario with the hotel clerk - AS IF??!!
The clerk doesn't know who Andi Dorfman is and that she is NOT married???!!
With TV cameras rolling around all over the place???
C'mon.   
I was born at night but not last night!

The day of the Group date. The rail bike and the castle tour and then, dinner and evening in the beautiful romantic, riverside town of Dinant.
No wonder the other guys were ticked. AND he had the rose to boot, the only rose going into the RC,  guaranteed HTD, 'sitting pretty'.

so not to be 'indelicate' - but do you think they slept together when he made the room visit?

No.   

[Guest]

^^Beautiful. Did we figure out if he snuck to her room before or after the group date?

If he did it before she must have liked it considering he also got the GDR and more time alone.

He snuck into her room after the date with Marcus. April 11.
Just  in the wee hours before she had her date with Josh. April 12th
Have not totally confirmed if the group date was the 10th or the 13th but from the official write-up, it appears that the group date was on the 13th.

But back to my point that I made earlier in the day or late last night (whatever it was) ,
Andi and Nick did spend a LOT of time together in Brussels.
Sneaking into her room - total set up scenario with the hotel clerk - AS IF??!!
The clerk doesn't know who Andi Dorfman is and that she is NOT married???!!
With TV cameras rolling around all over the place???
C'mon.   
I was born at night but not last night!

The day of the Group date. The rail bike and the castle tour and then, dinner and evening in the beautiful romantic, riverside town of Dinant.
No wonder the other guys were ticked. AND he had the rose to boot, the only rose going into the RC,  guaranteed HTD, 'sitting pretty'.

so not to be 'indelicate' - but do you think they slept together when he made the room visit?

Lol Sue. My reference to Andi NOT being married comes from the clip of Nick asking the hotel clerk where 'his wife's room is" I forget the room number. I forget the floor. My wife's name is Andi Dorfman and then the clerk gives him the key to Room 207
Have you seen the clip yet?
It is hilarious!!!   
A Total production. Totally contrived.  
So extremely unreal 

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[luvlady345]

If that airplane video is a foiler, then Nick has really been screwed over by the producers.  First he consents to help them out, in the process making himself look bad, then to thank him for his cooperation, they give him an awful edit, purposely twisting all his words.  Doesn't make sense to me. 

EXACTLY, TPTB are making Nick to look bad, now is that payback for the video? Who knows,   but I can remember reading when the video first surface posters where saying that Nick's edit would probably suffer if the video was real and my oh my has his edit gone down hill.....

[sdmom]

If that airplane video is a foiler, then Nick has really been screwed over by the producers.  First he consents to help them out, in the process making himself look bad, then to thank him for his cooperation, they give him an awful edit, purposely twisting all his words.  Doesn't make sense to me. 

That's what I don't understand it either. However, was he really screwed during the filming? He spent awfully a lot of time with her in Brussels; it's like a third 1on1 date. Without the producers' assistance he couldn't sneak her out and take her to such a beautiful place. And the flower delivery, which I do think it's a nice gesture. Besides, there's a possibility he had the best room in FS - this is totally my guess!! IF he's f1, maybe he got better SH visit arrangement. Who knows?

[SueSt]

He snuck into her room after the date with Marcus. April 11.
Just  in the wee hours before she had her date with Josh. April 12th
Have not totally confirmed if the group date was the 10th or the 13th but from the official write-up, it appears that the group date was on the 13th.

But back to my point that I made earlier in the day or late last night (whatever it was) ,
Andi and Nick did spend a LOT of time together in Brussels.
Sneaking into her room - total set up scenario with the hotel clerk - AS IF??!!
The clerk doesn't know who Andi Dorfman is and that she is NOT married???!!
With TV cameras rolling around all over the place???
C'mon.   
I was born at night but not last night!

The day of the Group date. The rail bike and the castle tour and then, dinner and evening in the beautiful romantic, riverside town of Dinant.
No wonder the other guys were ticked. AND he had the rose to boot, the only rose going into the RC,  guaranteed HTD, 'sitting pretty'.

so not to be 'indelicate' - but do you think they slept together when he made the room visit?

Lol Sue. My reference to Andi NOT being married comes from the clip of Nick asking the hotel clerk where 'his wife's room is" I forget the room number. I forget the floor. My wife's name is Andi Dorfman and then the clerk gives him the key to Room 207
Have you seen the clip yet?
It is hilarious!!!   
A Total production. Totally contrived.  
So extremely unreal 

[url= http://www.eonline.com/news/553976/creepiest-bachelorette-contestant-ever-see-what-one-guy-does-to-try-to-win-andi-over[/url]

:-) thanks JR.
I understand your points about the video... I was just asking whether you thought they slept together ??

[Guest]

Sue, now THAT is territory I do not dare to tread upon.  
My opinion on that subject is irrelevant.
I really try to keep my opinions relevant to sleuthing...

[SueSt]

If that airplane video is a foiler, then Nick has really been screwed over by the producers.  First he consents to help them out, in the process making himself look bad, then to thank him for his cooperation, they give him an awful edit, purposely twisting all his words.  Doesn't make sense to me. 

That's what I don't understand it either.  However, was he really screwed during the filming?  He spent awfully a lot of time with her in Brussels; it's like a third 1on1 date. Without the producers' assistance he couldn't sneak her out and take her to such a beautiful place. And the flower delivery, which I do think it's a nice gesture. Besides, there's a possibility he had the best room in FS - this is totally my guess!! IF he's f1, maybe he got better SH visit arrangement. Who knows?

Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1. If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

[Guest]

Sue, now THAT is territory I do not dare to tread upon.  
My opinion on that subject is irrelevant.
I really try to keep my opinions relevant to sleuthing...

Jordyn...i would like to discuss the tweet you found about Josh's DR sighting (from @Carlos Santana)regarding FDs. So..if Josh got the dancing date, do you think Nick got the secluded beach date?  

[Guest]

Sue, now THAT is territory I do not dare to tread upon.  
My opinion on that subject is irrelevant.
I really try to keep my opinions relevant to sleuthing...

Jordyn...i would like to discuss the tweet you found about Josh's DR sighting (from @Carlos Santana)regarding FDs. So..if Josh got the dancing date, do you think Nick got the secluded beach date?  

Mura, I really don't want to hazard a guess until we get more screen caps.
The evidence has been minuscule as far as the FDs and Dominican has gone.

There are so many options to consider for Fantasy Dates there.
I am hoping that at least one of them gets the traditional Catamaran trip, and if so then this time to Catalina Island.

[Guest]

If that airplane video is a foiler, then Nick has really been screwed over by the producers.  First he consents to help them out, in the process making himself look bad, then to thank him for his cooperation, they give him an awful edit, purposely twisting all his words.  Doesn't make sense to me. 

That's what I don't understand it either.  However, was he really screwed during the filming?  He spent awfully a lot of time with her in Brussels; it's like a third 1on1 date. Without the producers' assistance he couldn't sneak her out and take her to such a beautiful place. And the flower delivery, which I do think it's a nice gesture. Besides, there's a possibility he had the best room in FS - this is totally my guess!! IF he's f1, maybe he got better SH visit arrangement. Who knows?

Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1.  If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

i cant see the logic. Im convince im the only one here who see the wuv story   , as mentioned numerous times in the early episode--pre MnG, her little alone time with Nick on episode 2--- the backbone of the wuv story is Great Love... with mutual take and give, trust, thru thick and thin. Please also referred to Nick's BIO that i have brought up several times. (I couldnt understand how everyone missing it...)

in the ep.6 and 7..we did and well get to see that it is Andi who is doing the 'work'....giving Nick the Venice date, rekindled with him, welcoming him in her hotel room, giving him GDR and SQT, etc. Its an epitome of ' we will make it works' despite the guys drama, devious production efforts, etc.

maybe i need to examine my head....  

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