Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #4

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:01 pm

JordynRoses wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:
JordynRoses wrote:Sue, now THAT is territory I do not dare to tread upon.
My opinion on that subject is irrelevant.
I really try to keep my opinions relevant to sleuthing...

Jordyn...i would like to discuss the tweet you found about Josh's DR sighting (from @Carlos Santana)regarding FDs. So..if Josh got the dancing date, do you think Nick got the secluded beach date?
Mura, I really don't want to hazard a guess until we get more screen caps.
The evidence has been minuscule as far as the FDs and Dominican has gone.

There are so many options to consider for Fantasy Dates there.
I am hoping that at least one of them gets the traditional Catamaran trip, and if so then this time to Catalina Island.

Gotcha. do you think we will get an Extended Preview at one point? (on Des's we did get it after episode 6...so not happening this season duh

)

by SueSt Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:13 pm

murasaki1393 wrote:
SueSt wrote:
sdmom wrote:

That's what I don't understand it either. However, was he really screwed during the filming? He spent awfully a lot of time with her in Brussels; it's like a third 1on1 date. Without the producers' assistance he couldn't sneak her out and take her to such a beautiful place. And the flower delivery, which I do think it's a nice gesture. Besides, there's a possibility he had the best room in FS - this is totally my guess!! IF he's f1, maybe he got better SH visit arrangement. Who knows?
Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1. If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

i cant see the logic. Im convince im the only one here who see the wuv story , as mentioned numerous times in the early episode--pre MnG, her little alone time with Nick on episode 2--- the backbone of the wuv story is Great Love... with mutual take and give, trust, thru thick and thin. Please also referred to Nick's BIO that i have brought up several times. (I couldnt understand how everyone missing it...)

in the ep.6 and 7..we did and well get to see that it is Andi who is doing the 'work'....giving Nick the Venice date, rekindled with him, welcoming him in her hotel room, giving him GDR and SQT, etc. Its an epitome of ' we will make it works' despite the guys drama, devious production efforts, etc.

maybe i need to examine my head....

No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:56 pm

SueSt wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1. If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

i cant see the logic. Im convince im the only one here who see the wuv story , as mentioned numerous times in the early episode--pre MnG, her little alone time with Nick on episode 2--- the backbone of the wuv story is Great Love... with mutual take and give, trust, thru thick and thin. Please also referred to Nick's BIO that i have brought up several times. (I couldnt understand how everyone missing it...)

in the ep.6 and 7..we did and well get to see that it is Andi who is doing the 'work'....giving Nick the Venice date, rekindled with him, welcoming him in her hotel room, giving him GDR and SQT, etc. Its an epitome of ' we will make it works' despite the guys drama, devious production efforts, etc.

maybe i need to examine my head....
No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me

Im going to PM you yes

by Karche Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:27 am

SueSt wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1. If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

i cant see the logic. Im convince im the only one here who see the wuv story , as mentioned numerous times in the early episode--pre MnG, her little alone time with Nick on episode 2--- the backbone of the wuv story is Great Love... with mutual take and give, trust, thru thick and thin. Please also referred to Nick's BIO that i have brought up several times. (I couldnt understand how everyone missing it...)

in the ep.6 and 7..we did and well get to see that it is Andi who is doing the 'work'....giving Nick the Venice date, rekindled with him, welcoming him in her hotel room, giving him GDR and SQT, etc. Its an epitome of ' we will make it works' despite the guys drama, devious production efforts, etc.

maybe i need to examine my head....
No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me

Okay if I was in Nick's head and am F1 then I won't care how the show portrays me since I get the girl. This is supposed to be a great love story representing what Eric was missing and if you only watch nick and andi's part you will get the story...all the negatives are with the guys...I bet nick will even help out with the low ratings with added voice overs to cause more drama so that the viewers will tune in and question the spoiler...now if you read his tweets you see the same F1 having fun fooling everyone but if you just read his hashtags then you get the real story.... cheerleader

I'm still TeamPolkadot like I was Teamcupcake and we all know how that ends! I see The Great Love Story too!

by missjayne Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:11 am

Ash2214 wrote:^ What I'm saying is, for whatever reason, people are saying anything that comes out of Nick's mouth that is in the slightest bit arrogant or negative, it's because editing is portraying him to be that way. They're slicing and dicing his words. So, we've also seen a few of the other guys be a bit negative too. Can we blame that on editing as well? Or is that for Nick only? It just seems like when it comes to some of the other guys, people are focused on stating that's the type of guy they are, but whereas with Nick - it's solely his edit. Again, it's just my opinion.

No it could be done to anyone...but some more than others. It's not solely his edit. It's up for interpretation.

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:38 am

SueSt wrote:
sdmom wrote:
ironcat wrote:If that airplane video is a foiler, then Nick has really been screwed over by the producers. First he consents to help them out, in the process making himself look bad, then to thank him for his cooperation, they give him an awful edit, purposely twisting all his words. Doesn't make sense to me.

That's what I don't understand it either. However, was he really screwed during the filming? He spent awfully a lot of time with her in Brussels; it's like a third 1on1 date. Without the producers' assistance he couldn't sneak her out and take her to such a beautiful place. And the flower delivery, which I do think it's a nice gesture. Besides, there's a possibility he had the best room in FS - this is totally my guess!! IF he's f1, maybe he got better SH visit arrangement. Who knows?
Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1. If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

I wondered about that too. Andi has gone out of her way to be everything Jpabs wasn't for TPTB, so this may be their way of returning the favor if Josh is the F1. It could also be payback for the video I guess. It is odd though. We've had F1s villanized, but I can't recall an F2. Can anyone think of one? From day one, it seemed way too obvious that Josh would win. When the edit is obviously pointing to someone, I question it.

by luvlady345 Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:55 am

grace8136 wrote:
SueSt wrote:
sdmom wrote:

That's what I don't understand it either. However, was he really screwed during the filming? He spent awfully a lot of time with her in Brussels; it's like a third 1on1 date. Without the producers' assistance he couldn't sneak her out and take her to such a beautiful place. And the flower delivery, which I do think it's a nice gesture. Besides, there's a possibility he had the best room in FS - this is totally my guess!! IF he's f1, maybe he got better SH visit arrangement. Who knows?
Is it possible the bad edits are there to soften the way the story ends... that the frontrunner Nick, the one Andi is giving all this time to, giving assurances to, leading on, is NOT F1. If he's not F1, then Andi looks bad... so.... are the bad edits of Nick possibly there to mitigate fan-hate of Andi's final choice?

I wondered about that too. Andi has gone out of her way to be everything Jpabs wasn't for TPTB, so this may be their way of returning the favor if Josh is the F1. It could also be payback for the video I guess. It is odd though. We've had F1s villanized, but I can't recall an F2. Can anyone think of one? From day one, it seemed way too obvious that Josh would win. When the edit is obviously pointing to someone, I question it.

Normally for the guys NOPE, if the guys are the villains they are not taken to the F2.....Now with the women we have had some Andrew Firestone F2 I think her name was Trish, some people would say Belvin....Like Ironcat said most guys in the finals have a pretty even edit over all..

by soccermom333 Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:58 am

But there are TONS of people on this board that think it is not Josh as final 1. So not so obvious to hard core sleuthers, much less most of the viewing audience. giggling

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:18 am

Karche wrote:
SueSt wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:

i cant see the logic. Im convince im the only one here who see the wuv story   , as mentioned numerous times in the early episode--pre MnG, her little alone time with Nick on episode 2--- the backbone of the wuv story is Great Love... with mutual take and give, trust, thru thick and thin. Please also referred to Nick's BIO that i have brought up several times. (I couldnt understand how everyone missing it...)

in the ep.6 and 7..we did and well get to see that it is Andi who is doing the 'work'....giving Nick the Venice date, rekindled with him, welcoming him in her hotel room, giving him GDR and SQT, etc. Its an epitome of ' we will make it works' despite the guys drama, devious production efforts, etc.

maybe i need to examine my head....
No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me
Okay if I was in Nick's head and am F1 then I won't care how the show portrays me since I get the girl. This is supposed to be a great love story representing what Eric was missing and if you only watch nick and andi's part you will get the story...all the negatives are with the guys...I bet nick will even help out with the low ratings with added voice overs to cause more drama so that the viewers will tune in and question the spoiler...now if you read his tweets you see the same F1 having fun fooling everyone but if you just read his hashtags then you get the real story....  I'm still TeamPolkadot like I was Teamcupcake and we all know how that ends! I see The Great Love Story too!

Good!...that makes the 3 of us out of 9000+ who think so. bestbud!

..its really funny. the video plane served as the Elephant in the room, 'preventing' peeps to see the Great Wuv story unfold. More hilarious, the FIR was an elephant in the room (Brian's PI at MnG)..reiterate by the Rose on Marcus's dinner date. Guess who is the FIR guy?...the main 'actor' of the video plane gate..both are the same guy as well as the ELEPHANTS! :shocked!: plotting

Gosh, how i loooove a wonderful Fleissian Metaphor! :bigsmile: (gag!... laugh out loud

)... Now watch him being the FR (Final Rose) guy as well on July 28th :uptonogood

by cindebugg Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:36 am

Karche wrote:
SueSt wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:

i cant see the logic. Im convince im the only one here who see the wuv story   , as mentioned numerous times in the early episode--pre MnG, her little alone time with Nick on episode 2--- the backbone of the wuv story is Great Love... with mutual take and give, trust, thru thick and thin. Please also referred to Nick's BIO that i have brought up several times. (I couldnt understand how everyone missing it...)

in the ep.6 and 7..we did and well get to see that it is Andi who is doing the 'work'....giving Nick the Venice date, rekindled with him, welcoming him in her hotel room, giving him GDR and SQT, etc. Its an epitome of ' we will make it works' despite the guys drama, devious production efforts, etc.

maybe i need to examine my head....
No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me
Okay if I was in Nick's head and am F1 then I won't care how the show portrays me since I get the girl. This is supposed to be a great love story representing what Eric was missing and if you only watch nick and andi's part you will get the story...all the negatives are with the guys...I bet nick will even help out with the low ratings with added voice overs to cause more drama so that the viewers will tune in and question the spoiler...now if you read his tweets you see the same F1 having fun fooling everyone but if you just read his hashtags then you get the real story....  I'm still TeamPolkadot like I was Teamcupcake and we all know how that ends! I see The Great Love Story too!

This isn't all about Nick. If he's her F1 that means Ande is part of the equation too. As I recall not one Bachelorette's pick has gotten this kind of edit. Heck I can't even think of anyone in a Bachelorette's F4 that have gotten this kind of edit. One of the other reasons I lean toward it being a real spoiler is I don't believe the tape of Josh would have seen the light of day if TPTB had anything to do with it. That's not a foiler campaign, it's a smear campaign and if TPTB were going to smear Josh they would do it on the show.

by torybean Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:42 am

murasaki1393 wrote:
Karche wrote:
SueSt wrote:
No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me
Okay if I was in Nick's head and am F1 then I won't care how the show portrays me since I get the girl. This is supposed to be a great love story representing what Eric was missing and if you only watch nick and andi's part you will get the story...all the negatives are with the guys...I bet nick will even help out with the low ratings with added voice overs to cause more drama so that the viewers will tune in and question the spoiler...now if you read his tweets you see the same F1 having fun fooling everyone but if you just read his hashtags then you get the real story....  I'm still TeamPolkadot like I was Teamcupcake and we all know how that ends! I see The Great Love Story too!

Good!...that makes the 3 of us out of 9000+ who think so.   ..its really funny. the video plane served as the Elephant in the room, 'preventing' peeps to see the Great Wuv story unfold. More hilarious, the FIR was an elephant in the room (Brian's PI at MnG)..reiterate by the Rose on Marcus's dinner date. Guess who is the FIR guy?...the main 'actor' of the video plane gate..both are the ELEPHANTS!

Gosh, how i loooove a wonderful Fleissian Metaphor! :bigsmile: (gag!...)... Now watch him being the FR (Final Rose) guy as well on July 28th

:WAVEY: Hi there!! - I'm on broad the Great Wuv train cheerleader

Mura, I appreciate all the bread crumbs you've shared. I have the feeling the theme this season is #bandofbrothers bromancing while Nick has been solely focused on Andi....and she LOVES it!! No wonder he gets so much time with her!

So, now we are up to 4 believers out of 9000+ :sprinklehearts

by missjayne Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:44 am

cindebugg wrote:
Karche wrote:
SueSt wrote:
No, thanks Mura... I'm just playing devils advocate with myself... I only see the love story too... but hedging my bets about the crazy edits!
By the by, checked his bio.... on ABC site... and not sure what you're referring to???
ETA: Ok, duh, I needed to scroll down: What is your ideal mate's personality like? Someone who is truly confident in herself and expects a lot but gives as much. Someone who wants to bring out the best in me
Okay if I was in Nick's head and am F1 then I won't care how the show portrays me since I get the girl. This is supposed to be a great love story representing what Eric was missing and if you only watch nick and andi's part you will get the story...all the negatives are with the guys...I bet nick will even help out with the low ratings with added voice overs to cause more drama so that the viewers will tune in and question the spoiler...now if you read his tweets you see the same F1 having fun fooling everyone but if you just read his hashtags then you get the real story.... I'm still TeamPolkadot like I was Teamcupcake and we all know how that ends! I see The Great Love Story too!

This isn't all about Nick. If he's her F1 that means Ande is part of the equation too. As I recall not one Bachelorette's pick has gotten this kind of edit. Heck I can't even think of anyone in a Bachelorette's F4 that have gotten this kind of edit. One of the other reasons I lean toward it being a real spoiler is I don't believe the tape of Josh would have seen the light of day if TPTB had anything to do with it. That's not a foiler campaign, it's a smear campaign and if TPTB were going to smear Josh they would do it on the show.

I do notice that sometimes what they do now is give someone a bad edit early on and then change it as the show progresses so that the person gets redeemed somehow.

Well on the bachelor they let Courtney look like the villain but maybe cuz she really was...but they didn't really hide it. She was f1.

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