Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #2

[noobsleuth]

As per what we heard Andi was in a 3 year relationship before she came on the show.  So IMO she cannot be as bad as what we are seeing on the show.  We have no idea how much pressure she is under and tired from everything the show requires.

I agree that everyone from time to time is going to have meltdowns. Not that I can say I feel totally sorry for her since she signed on for this is. I know even in my day to day life with little ones at home it's easy to lose your cool and be overly dramatic and have OTT reactions. No one is ever going to remain perfectly cool and poised at all times. I could only imagine a film crew being in my house watching me raise my kids.  :shocked!: 

With that said, I think that she didn't feel anything romantic for Eric and it was easy enough for her to get rid of him because of this. It was also easy for her to use it as an opportunity to show the other guys that she was annoyed by them "bro-ing out". There's no way if Josh would have said that to her she would have sent him packing. If it's someone she really likes it seems she's more inclined to talk it out. That's why she has had long term relationships in that past and has still been able to have meltdowns. I don't think she's going to turn on someone she really cares about like she did on Eric. To a certain extent she has to be mindful of how the other person in the relationship perceives her, with Eric, I don't think she cared which is why he was let go.

[Sprite]

I am guessing that the "sit down" with CH to talk about Eric was done before the episode aired AND before Andi had a chance to see it.  (referencing Doc's statement above).  It would be interesting to know her reaction now that she has seen it.  I do think that production knew full-well what Eric was going to talk to Andi about and they probably had a good idea of her emotional state that night- fatigue or whatever- and predicted she would not be level-headed in that moment.  

Over the course of filming the show, I would guess that everyone has some moments that they're not proud of.  It was important for the men to see Andi meltdown.  And it was good for Andi to see how the different guys reacted to her meltdown.  They all knew Eric (at this point better than any of them knew Andi).  They'd possibly talked with him about Andi's "poker face".  Those who weren't invested in her at this point might, either consciously or subconsciously, decide it's not worth it for her and check out of the Andi pursuit- but hey, let's keep on the adventure.

Why would any man or woman want to pursue someone that gets upset, comes home and kicks the dog.  Andi was upset with Eric, and yelled at the other guys.  That's where the rubber would meet the road for me.  

IA, I would never want to be on pin's and needles worrying about how the other will react. Her F1 if there is one, will only put up with it for so long, he better get used to loosing.

The thing that strikes me is that this is not an isolated incident. It started with JPab. Then came the drunk Craig fiasco. Then Eric. And apparently, from what we have seen of the season previews, there is more to come. I could excuse one, but this seems to be a coping pattern. I suspect, as many of you have, that she would be difficult to live with and hard to have a disagreement with. Can't wait to see what the next blowout is about.

[Mustang19]

I am guessing that the "sit down" with CH to talk about Eric was done before the episode aired AND before Andi had a chance to see it.  (referencing Doc's statement above).  It would be interesting to know her reaction now that she has seen it.  I do think that production knew full-well what Eric was going to talk to Andi about and they probably had a good idea of her emotional state that night- fatigue or whatever- and predicted she would not be level-headed in that moment.  

Over the course of filming the show, I would guess that everyone has some moments that they're not proud of.  It was important for the men to see Andi meltdown.  And it was good for Andi to see how the different guys reacted to her meltdown.  They all knew Eric (at this point better than any of them knew Andi).  They'd possibly talked with him about Andi's "poker face".  Those who weren't invested in her at this point might, either consciously or subconsciously, decide it's not worth it for her and check out of the Andi pursuit- but hey, let's keep on the adventure.

Why would any man or woman want to pursue someone that gets upset, comes home and kicks the dog.  Andi was upset with Eric, and yelled at the other guys.  That's where the rubber would meet the road for me.  

IA, I would never want to be on pin's and needles worrying about how the other will react. Her F1 if there is one, will only put up with it for so long, he better get used to loosing.

I lived that miserable life with someone who has a "kick the dog when they got home" kind of mentality for 23 years, it is NOT any way to live. It took me a while, but I came to my senses. I wish the rubber had met the road A LOT sooner. Unless whoever Andi picks is able to reign her in, he's in for a tough road. If they can start off on the right foot, equally, then maybe they have a chance, but he better have a backbone and stand his ground.

[Iam4UGA]

I guess I just don't understand why everyone is so critical of Andi being upset.  I mean yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion - that is not what I mean.

Couldn't this also be producer or edit driven?  I mean we have some people denying that things are real for some of the bach's for the "edit" or the "producers" but the lead does not get that too?

Also, why is a woman not allowed to be emotional and upset?  I mean if someone essentially called me a phony, I would pull the Emily and say get the &^$* out.  And yes, I have told people in my life that.  I guess it makes me a hot head or someone with a temper.

I would love to see how each and every critical person on here would behave in the exact same circumstances as Andi is in.

[luvlady345]

I guess I just don't understand why everyone is so critical of Andi being upset.  I mean yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion - that is not what I mean.

Couldn't this also be producer or edit driven?  I mean we have some people denying that things are real for some of the bach's for the "edit" or the "producers" but the lead does not get that too?

Also, why is a woman not allowed to be emotional and upset?  I mean if someone essentially called me a phony, I would pull the Emily and say get the &^$* out.  And yes, I have told people in my life that.  I guess it makes me a hot head or someone with a temper.

I would love to see how each and every critical person on here would behave in the exact same circumstances as Andi is in.

EXACTLY....Just let someone come up to anyone after knowing them for a few weeks and call them fake or a phony I would pay good money to see that..

[Bet2Win]

Eric did not call Andi fake ... she used that word.

The other guys had nothing to do with it, yet they got yelled at.

I don't understand how that kind of behavior is condoned, excused, or considered acceptable.

[MiaHawk]

As per what we heard Andi was in a 3 year relationship before she came on the show.  So IMO she cannot be as bad as what we are seeing on the show.  We have no idea how much pressure she is under and tired from everything the show requires.

I agree that everyone from time to time is going to have meltdowns. Not that I can say I feel totally sorry for her since she signed on for this is. I know even in my day to day life with little ones at home it's easy to lose your cool and be overly dramatic and have OTT reactions. No one is ever going to remain perfectly cool and poised at all times. I could only imagine a film crew being in my house watching me raise my kids.  :shocked!: 

With that said, I think that she didn't feel anything romantic for Eric and it was easy enough for her to get rid of him because of this. It was also easy for her to use it as an opportunity to show the other guys that she was annoyed by them "bro-ing out". There's no way if Josh would have said that to her she would have sent him packing. If it's someone she really likes it seems she's more inclined to talk it out. That's why she has had long term relationships in that past and has still been able to have meltdowns. I don't think she's going to turn on someone she really cares about like she did on Eric. To a certain extent she has to be mindful of how the other person in the relationship perceives her, with Eric, I don't think she cared which is why he was let go.

I also do not think that Andi had any real connection with Eric. In fact, I believe she felt he was a braggart. While she asked for Eric to talk about himself and his life, when he did so, she found that she was listening to him tell personal stories to which she had nothing in common. His talk of Peruvian dolls and African witch doctors and motorcycle treks was met with obligatory smiles and "oh wows". I was having flashbacks of Jen Schefft's "Thailand, Thailand, Thailand" hissy fit. Both Jen and Andi looked more petty because of the tragedies that surrounded them (tsunami that then hit Thailand and Eric's subsequent tragic death).

[Iam4UGA]

Eric did not call Andi fake  ... she used that word.

The other guys had nothing to do with it, yet they got yelled at.

I don't understand how that kind of behavior is condoned, excused, or considered acceptable.

He said she was acting. So in my world that means being a fake. Apparently in hers too since she said that word.

She was very upset and crying, etc. might be construed as yelling, but I have definitely heard worse yelling than that. Either way, I just don't see anything wrong with it as far as the show is concerned. Several other leads have acted similarly.

[notarose]

As per what we heard Andi was in a 3 year relationship before she came on the show.  So IMO she cannot be as bad as what we are seeing on the show.  We have no idea how much pressure she is under and tired from everything the show requires.

I agree that everyone from time to time is going to have meltdowns. Not that I can say I feel totally sorry for her since she signed on for this is. I know even in my day to day life with little ones at home it's easy to lose your cool and be overly dramatic and have OTT reactions. No one is ever going to remain perfectly cool and poised at all times. I could only imagine a film crew being in my house watching me raise my kids.  :shocked!: 

With that said, I think that she didn't feel anything romantic for Eric and it was easy enough for her to get rid of him because of this. It was also easy for her to use it as an opportunity to show the other guys that she was annoyed by them "bro-ing out". There's no way if Josh would have said that to her she would have sent him packing. If it's someone she really likes it seems she's more inclined to talk it out. That's why she has had long term relationships in that past and has still been able to have meltdowns. I don't think she's going to turn on someone she really cares about like she did on Eric. To a certain extent she has to be mindful of how the other person in the relationship perceives her, with Eric, I don't think she cared which is why he was let go.

I also do not think that Andi had any real connection with Eric.  In fact, I believe she felt he was a braggart.  While she asked for Eric to talk about himself and his life, when he did so, she found that she was listening to him tell personal stories to which she had nothing in common.  His talk of Peruvian dolls and African witch doctors and motorcycle treks was met with obligatory smiles and "oh wows".  I was having flashbacks of Jen Schefft's "Thailand, Thailand, Thailand" hissy fit.  Both Jen and Andi looked more petty because of the tragedies that surrounded them (tsunami that then hit Thailand and Eric's subsequent tragic death).

Yes, the perimeters of Eric's world was 10-fold that of Andi's. I think similar disparities will or would have surfaced with a few of the other men.

[stuckinsc]

Eric did not call Andi fake  ... she used that word.

The other guys had nothing to do with it, yet they got yelled at.

I don't understand how that kind of behavior is condoned, excused, or considered acceptable.

He said she was acting.  So in my world that means being a fake.  Apparently in hers too since she said that word.

She was very upset and crying, etc. might be construed as yelling, but I have definitely heard worse yelling than that.  Either way, I just don't see anything wrong with it as far as the show is concerned.  Several other leads have acted similarly.

Hi UGA, for me it is the multiple issues. She was upset after Craig getting drunk and had to be consoled, she got upset with Eric and we know there will be yet another with the black dress/ripping off the microphone. Plus I bet she gets upset next week too, which could still be black dress upset. I think the fact that she has done it multiple times and doesn't seem to examine herself, but only put the blame on others if the problem for me. I would have been happy if Andi had simply said I was tired and was taking this so seriously that I probably didn't hear everything Eric as saying and I would have been fine. But so far, even with JPG it is always the other person's fault and Andi is never to blame at all.

Even in my divorce, I truly believe unless the other person is just evil, that in any relationship that ends, there is blame on both sides and both sides can and should try to learn from it.

[MiaHawk]

Eric did not call Andi fake  ... she used that word.

The other guys had nothing to do with it, yet they got yelled at.

I don't understand how that kind of behavior is condoned, excused, or considered acceptable.

He said she was acting.  So in my world that means being a fake.  Apparently in hers too since she said that word.

She was very upset and crying, etc. might be construed as yelling, but I have definitely heard worse yelling than that.  Either way, I just don't see anything wrong with it as far as the show is concerned.  Several other leads have acted similarly.

Hi UGA, for me it is the multiple issues.  She was upset after Craig getting drunk and had to be consoled, she got upset with Eric and we know there will be yet another with the black dress/ripping off the microphone.  Plus I bet she gets upset next week too, which could still be black dress upset.  I think the fact that she has done it multiple times and doesn't seem to examine herself, but only put the blame on others if the problem for me.  I would have been happy if Andi had simply said I was tired and was taking this so seriously that I probably didn't hear everything Eric as saying and I would have been fine.  But so far, even with JPG it is always the other person's fault and Andi is never to blame at all.

Even in my divorce, I truly believe unless the other person is just evil, that in any relationship that ends, there is blame on both sides and both sides can and should try to learn from it.

There is blame enough for both Eric and Andi with that botched conversation. Nobody wants to criticize a deceased guy, but Eric was unneccessarily abbrassive with Andi. He did not like that she had previously criticized him, and he was turning the tables on her. She took the bait and had a meltdown. Neither of them looked good after interaction. Eric kept picking at her, and Andi handled it with him fairly well. If that is where it ended, she would have looked pretty good. It was her intense emotions with the other men (her spill over tantrum) that made her look bad, imo.

[Iam4UGA]

Eric did not call Andi fake  ... she used that word.

The other guys had nothing to do with it, yet they got yelled at.

I don't understand how that kind of behavior is condoned, excused, or considered acceptable.

He said she was acting.  So in my world that means being a fake.  Apparently in hers too since she said that word.

She was very upset and crying, etc. might be construed as yelling, but I have definitely heard worse yelling than that.  Either way, I just don't see anything wrong with it as far as the show is concerned.  Several other leads have acted similarly.

Hi UGA, for me it is the multiple issues.  She was upset after Craig getting drunk and had to be consoled, she got upset with Eric and we know there will be yet another with the black dress/ripping off the microphone.  Plus I bet she gets upset next week too, which could still be black dress upset.  I think the fact that she has done it multiple times and doesn't seem to examine herself, but only put the blame on others if the problem for me.  I would have been happy if Andi had simply said I was tired and was taking this so seriously that I probably didn't hear everything Eric as saying and I would have been fine.  But so far, even with JPG it is always the other person's fault and Andi is never to blame at all.

Even in my divorce, I truly believe unless the other person is just evil, that in any relationship that ends, there is blame on both sides and both sides can and should try to learn from it.

OK, I guess I can see this point. But at the same time, I would totally be upset with someone saying I am acting (to me = phony or fake). Depending on the level of the conversation, i.e., if that person were saying it angrily to me, I am sure I would yell back at them. If they were not, I would probably cry and still be upset.

But, I do see your point. I guess I am not picking up on her blaming the others.

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