Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion

GuardianAngel wrote:I'm glad she's realizing she never lived by any of those words from what I've seen of her on my screen for months.

Andi Dorfman @AndiDorfman  ·  4h
Words I'm going to try and start living by

hehehe they say marriage is like constant therapy where all your imperfections and baggage keep surfacing and you keep having to deal with them. Let's hope this girl grows into a more compassionate and empathetic woman soon --- for both her and her fiance's sake. Looking back i really realized what a young mid-twenties Andi was during these shows...cheers for growing up with a side of humble pie! I imagine seeing your own behaviors on tv over and over must have helped as well!

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201501/chris-harrison-bachelor

From the GQ Article about Chris Harrison. It provides more information about ATFR than I knew and breaks my heart again for Nick. Andi is Heartless!!!

"Andi's season had come down to Josh, a "former pro baseball player" with a game-show smile, and Nick, that software guy no one liked. Both were handsome in different ways, both completely devoid of body hair. I conjecture that Andi knew early on she'd end up with Josh, but it's a TV show and you can't end it early, so you have to string at least one guy along.

Weeks after he'd been rejected on the show, Nick was still dizzy with confusion. He'd thought he and Andi were a lock—that they were just waiting out this silly reality-show construct so they could be together. Ever since the finale had taped, he'd been trying to get in touch with Andi, and she had refused, so now he was here to do it in person, and you'd have to be a terrible producer to turn down that kind of TV.

Harrison, warm and reassuring, welcomed him to the stage and listened as Nick explained that he just wanted some closure. During the commercial break, Nick half-waved to the guys in the front row. They fake-smiled at him and smirked to one another, a page right out of the playbook from my all-girls high school. Nick was so nervous he spilled his bottle of water. That's when Harrison leaned in to talk to him, something the audience couldn't hear. And maybe in that moment he took poor Nick, water at his feet as though he'd cried a thousand tears, and said, Hey there, Nick. This is hard work, this showing up and confronting and asking for what you believe is yours, but we are men, and we must hold our heads up high and move on. Look at me, look at all I've been through, and look at how I can still be here and smile and cheer for love. Look at me, learning to text and not to open doors. You will find a lady/girl of your own one day, or maybe you won't, and maybe I will, and maybe I won't, but we still have to hold it together. We still have to find our final amazing.

A production assistant cleaned up the water.

Soon Andi came onstage and sat tensely next to Nick, who actually asked her how she could have "made love" with him if she didn't love him. She was contemptuous and disgusted by this, by this guy who still seemed under the impression that it had all been a misunderstanding. And maybe nobody liked Nick because his grief was too real. Maybe nobody liked Nick because he reminded us that love and need and vulnerability are so, so ugly when a relationship doesn't work out. During the next commercial break, Andi turned toward the guys she'd rejected in the front row to share an eye roll with them at Nick's expense. But at this they stiffened. Suddenly they realized that they had more in common with Nick than with her, that it was only by the grace of God that they weren't up there, humiliated, with wet shoes. Suddenly they realized that this wasn't so much a contest as it was a game, and that they'd all lost, even Josh, all of them except for Andi."

I thought that article was quite interesting, SueSt. The author clearly didn't like Andi. The rolling of her eyes to the other guys says it all imo.

SueSt wrote:http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201501/chris-harrison-bachelor

From the GQ Article about Chris Harrison.  It provides more information about ATFR than I knew and breaks my heart again for Nick.  Andi is Heartless!!!

"Andi's season had come down to Josh, a "former pro baseball player" with a game-show smile, and Nick, that software guy no one liked. Both were handsome in different ways, both completely devoid of body hair. I conjecture that Andi knew early on she'd end up with Josh, but it's a TV show and you can't end it early, so you have to string at least one guy along.

Weeks after he'd been rejected on the show, Nick was still dizzy with confusion. He'd thought he and Andi were a lock—that they were just waiting out this silly reality-show construct so they could be together. Ever since the finale had taped, he'd been trying to get in touch with Andi, and she had refused, so now he was here to do it in person, and you'd have to be a terrible producer to turn down that kind of TV.

Harrison, warm and reassuring, welcomed him to the stage and listened as Nick explained that he just wanted some closure. During the commercial break, Nick half-waved to the guys in the front row. They fake-smiled at him and smirked to one another, a page right out of the playbook from my all-girls high school. Nick was so nervous he spilled his bottle of water. That's when Harrison leaned in to talk to him, something the audience couldn't hear. And maybe in that moment he took poor Nick, water at his feet as though he'd cried a thousand tears, and said, Hey there, Nick. This is hard work, this showing up and confronting and asking for what you believe is yours, but we are men, and we must hold our heads up high and move on. Look at me, look at all I've been through, and look at how I can still be here and smile and cheer for love. Look at me, learning to text and not to open doors. You will find a lady/girl of your own one day, or maybe you won't, and maybe I will, and maybe I won't, but we still have to hold it together. We still have to find our final amazing.

A production assistant cleaned up the water.

Soon Andi came onstage and sat tensely next to Nick, who actually asked her how she could have "made love" with him if she didn't love him. She was contemptuous and disgusted by this, by this guy who still seemed under the impression that it had all been a misunderstanding. And maybe nobody liked Nick because his grief was too real. Maybe nobody liked Nick because he reminded us that love and need and vulnerability are so, so ugly when a relationship doesn't work out. During the next commercial break, Andi turned toward the guys she'd rejected in the front row to share an eye roll with them at Nick's expense. But at this they stiffened. Suddenly they realized that they had more in common with Nick than with her, that it was only by the grace of God that they weren't up there, humiliated, with wet shoes. Suddenly they realized that this wasn't so much a contest as it was a game, and that they'd all lost, even Josh, all of them except for Andi."

Andi is the most self absorbed woman that this show has ever seen. To this day she still has zero compassion for others than herself . She played the game and won but at the cost of others hearts broken. I think that the majority of the people have realized that she has shown her true colors on the show and after. She does not deserve the love and compassion that Nick would of given her. She wanted to be in the spotlight and Josh was the perfect guy because that is what he wanted out of this too.

Glad that Nick has kept it classy and will find the love he deserves.

Sue, I noticed you posted this in the fan thread as well, but Andi didn't directly give the eye roll to Nick like you thought the article was stating. The woman claims in her article that Andi looked at the other guys and gave an eye roll. Nick was no longer on the stage nor was he in the audience. Andi had just been called out on national television that she had sex with her F2 guy, whether that was right or wrong in the eyes of people doesn't really matter. Just like Nick felt he had a right to be upset, hurt and confused for what Andi did to him, Andi had her right for being hurt and angry to what Nick said on national televison with millions watching.

Some people like Andi, others don't. Some people like Nick, others don't. It's just my opinion of course, but this topic was heavily talked about and beaten to a pulp. Again, just my opinion, but since Andi and Josh have moved on, and supposedly Nick too, I personally just accept that people won't change their opinions on this topic.

whit90 wrote:

SueSt wrote:http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201501/chris-harrison-bachelor

From the GQ Article about Chris Harrison.  It provides more information about ATFR than I knew and breaks my heart again for Nick.  Andi is Heartless!!!

"Andi's season had come down to Josh, a "former pro baseball player" with a game-show smile, and Nick, that software guy no one liked. Both were handsome in different ways, both completely devoid of body hair. I conjecture that Andi knew early on she'd end up with Josh, but it's a TV show and you can't end it early, so you have to string at least one guy along.

Weeks after he'd been rejected on the show, Nick was still dizzy with confusion. He'd thought he and Andi were a lock—that they were just waiting out this silly reality-show construct so they could be together. Ever since the finale had taped, he'd been trying to get in touch with Andi, and she had refused, so now he was here to do it in person, and you'd have to be a terrible producer to turn down that kind of TV.

Harrison, warm and reassuring, welcomed him to the stage and listened as Nick explained that he just wanted some closure. During the commercial break, Nick half-waved to the guys in the front row. They fake-smiled at him and smirked to one another, a page right out of the playbook from my all-girls high school. Nick was so nervous he spilled his bottle of water. That's when Harrison leaned in to talk to him, something the audience couldn't hear. And maybe in that moment he took poor Nick, water at his feet as though he'd cried a thousand tears, and said, Hey there, Nick. This is hard work, this showing up and confronting and asking for what you believe is yours, but we are men, and we must hold our heads up high and move on. Look at me, look at all I've been through, and look at how I can still be here and smile and cheer for love. Look at me, learning to text and not to open doors. You will find a lady/girl of your own one day, or maybe you won't, and maybe I will, and maybe I won't, but we still have to hold it together. We still have to find our final amazing.

A production assistant cleaned up the water.

Soon Andi came onstage and sat tensely next to Nick, who actually asked her how she could have "made love" with him if she didn't love him. She was contemptuous and disgusted by this, by this guy who still seemed under the impression that it had all been a misunderstanding. And maybe nobody liked Nick because his grief was too real. Maybe nobody liked Nick because he reminded us that love and need and vulnerability are so, so ugly when a relationship doesn't work out. During the next commercial break, Andi turned toward the guys she'd rejected in the front row to share an eye roll with them at Nick's expense. But at this they stiffened. Suddenly they realized that they had more in common with Nick than with her, that it was only by the grace of God that they weren't up there, humiliated, with wet shoes. Suddenly they realized that this wasn't so much a contest as it was a game, and that they'd all lost, even Josh, all of them except for Andi."

Andi  is the most self absorbed woman that this show has ever seen. To this day she still has zero compassion for others than herself . She played the game and won but at the cost of others hearts broken.  I think that the majority of the people have realized that she has shown her true colors on the show and after.  She does not deserve the love and compassion that Nick would of given her. She wanted to be in the spotlight and Josh was the perfect guy because that is what he wanted out of this too.

Glad that Nick has kept it classy and will find the love he deserves.

Spotlight? If you actually followed the couple or checked in the fan forum occasionally, you would realize that Andi and Josh spend about all of their time in Atlanta and have only done a handful of events since the finale. Out of those events, all of them were for charity but one. They just spent almost two weeks visiting the Murray's in Tampa and KC. They barely post on social media. They spend most of their weekends with the Dorfman's. Josh is working two jobs in financial advising and doing marketing work/sales/promotion for another company and Andi has her own website. Doesn't seem very Hollywood. I'm all for speculating on whether or not they will last, get married, etc. but they want to be in the spotlight and that's why she picked Josh?

There hasn't been a discussion here for a long time and this is a new article so it's fair. There's a whole fan section for those not interested in it.

It's true Nick wasn't in the front row however I thought it was just as bad that she tried to get the other guys to go along with her. I guess she forgot that she led them on also. That's nothing other leads haven't done before but she seems only concerned about her feelings and doesn't seem to have the empathy gene.

I'm sure she rolled her eyes, but I don't know, how much of the author's words are to make it sound juicy and entertaining to read? Did Andi speak and ask the guys to join her in her eye rolling? Lol sounds odd the way she put it, kinda sensationalized. But otherwise a good read.

Ash2214 wrote:

whit90 wrote:

SueSt wrote:http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201501/chris-harrison-bachelor

From the GQ Article about Chris Harrison.  It provides more information about ATFR than I knew and breaks my heart again for Nick.  Andi is Heartless!!!

"Andi's season had come down to Josh, a "former pro baseball player" with a game-show smile, and Nick, that software guy no one liked. Both were handsome in different ways, both completely devoid of body hair. I conjecture that Andi knew early on she'd end up with Josh, but it's a TV show and you can't end it early, so you have to string at least one guy along.

Weeks after he'd been rejected on the show, Nick was still dizzy with confusion. He'd thought he and Andi were a lock—that they were just waiting out this silly reality-show construct so they could be together. Ever since the finale had taped, he'd been trying to get in touch with Andi, and she had refused, so now he was here to do it in person, and you'd have to be a terrible producer to turn down that kind of TV.

Harrison, warm and reassuring, welcomed him to the stage and listened as Nick explained that he just wanted some closure. During the commercial break, Nick half-waved to the guys in the front row. They fake-smiled at him and smirked to one another, a page right out of the playbook from my all-girls high school. Nick was so nervous he spilled his bottle of water. That's when Harrison leaned in to talk to him, something the audience couldn't hear. And maybe in that moment he took poor Nick, water at his feet as though he'd cried a thousand tears, and said, Hey there, Nick. This is hard work, this showing up and confronting and asking for what you believe is yours, but we are men, and we must hold our heads up high and move on. Look at me, look at all I've been through, and look at how I can still be here and smile and cheer for love. Look at me, learning to text and not to open doors. You will find a lady/girl of your own one day, or maybe you won't, and maybe I will, and maybe I won't, but we still have to hold it together. We still have to find our final amazing.

A production assistant cleaned up the water.

Soon Andi came onstage and sat tensely next to Nick, who actually asked her how she could have "made love" with him if she didn't love him. She was contemptuous and disgusted by this, by this guy who still seemed under the impression that it had all been a misunderstanding. And maybe nobody liked Nick because his grief was too real. Maybe nobody liked Nick because he reminded us that love and need and vulnerability are so, so ugly when a relationship doesn't work out. During the next commercial break, Andi turned toward the guys she'd rejected in the front row to share an eye roll with them at Nick's expense. But at this they stiffened. Suddenly they realized that they had more in common with Nick than with her, that it was only by the grace of God that they weren't up there, humiliated, with wet shoes. Suddenly they realized that this wasn't so much a contest as it was a game, and that they'd all lost, even Josh, all of them except for Andi."

Andi  is the most self absorbed woman that this show has ever seen. To this day she still has zero compassion for others than herself . She played the game and won but at the cost of others hearts broken.  I think that the majority of the people have realized that she has shown her true colors on the show and after.  She does not deserve the love and compassion that Nick would of given her. She wanted to be in the spotlight and Josh was the perfect guy because that is what he wanted out of this too.

Glad that Nick has kept it classy and will find the love he deserves.

Spotlight? If you actually followed the couple or checked in the fan forum occasionally, you would realize that Andi and Josh spend about all of their time in Atlanta and have only done a handful of events since the finale. Out of those events, all of them were for charity but one. They just spent almost two weeks visiting the Murray's in Tampa and KC. They barely post on social media. They spend most of their weekends with the Dorfman's. Josh is working two jobs in financial advising and doing marketing work/sales/promotion for another company and Andi has her own website. Doesn't seem very Hollywood. I'm all for speculating on whether or not they will last, get married, etc. but they want to be in the spotlight and that's why she picked Josh? It might be better to know more about someone, especially in the past 7 months, then making such claims.  

I stand by what I said actions speak louder than words. Blog, advocare, clothing line which in fact her t shirt got terrible reviews,magazine covers, and IG pics galore. When you hire PR firm that speaks loud and clear to me.

For me, it has nothing to do with being a "fan" of Andi or not. I just personally find a lot of it hypocritical is all and was just stating my opinion that it was previously beaten to a pulp.

How do we know that it was Andi's intention to get the other guys to go along with her? Could it have simply been because she was angry and embarrassed at what Nick just said to millions of people and she wanted to play it off like she didn't care? Maybe this woman over reacted or what if she thinks she saw something that didn't really happen? Regardless, like I said, people feel Nick was justified in asking her that question because he was upset and confused about what transpired between them. Whether or not you think Andi sleeping with Nick was wrong or right, that still must have been embarrassing and hurtful for her. She had family, friends and millions of strangers watching. Just like people think Nick had the right to be hurt and angry, Andi had her right to be hurt and angry.

That article contained nothing new other than once Nick left the stage and went backstage she rolled her eyes at the guys. She didn't murder someone. She did something that I would bet most of us have done before when we were upset, annoyed or angry.

Ash2214 wrote:

whit90 wrote:

SueSt wrote:http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201501/chris-harrison-bachelor

From the GQ Article about Chris Harrison.  It provides more information about ATFR than I knew and breaks my heart again for Nick.  Andi is Heartless!!!

"Andi's season had come down to Josh, a "former pro baseball player" with a game-show smile, and Nick, that software guy no one liked. Both were handsome in different ways, both completely devoid of body hair. I conjecture that Andi knew early on she'd end up with Josh, but it's a TV show and you can't end it early, so you have to string at least one guy along.

Weeks after he'd been rejected on the show, Nick was still dizzy with confusion. He'd thought he and Andi were a lock—that they were just waiting out this silly reality-show construct so they could be together. Ever since the finale had taped, he'd been trying to get in touch with Andi, and she had refused, so now he was here to do it in person, and you'd have to be a terrible producer to turn down that kind of TV.

Harrison, warm and reassuring, welcomed him to the stage and listened as Nick explained that he just wanted some closure. During the commercial break, Nick half-waved to the guys in the front row. They fake-smiled at him and smirked to one another, a page right out of the playbook from my all-girls high school. Nick was so nervous he spilled his bottle of water. That's when Harrison leaned in to talk to him, something the audience couldn't hear. And maybe in that moment he took poor Nick, water at his feet as though he'd cried a thousand tears, and said, Hey there, Nick. This is hard work, this showing up and confronting and asking for what you believe is yours, but we are men, and we must hold our heads up high and move on. Look at me, look at all I've been through, and look at how I can still be here and smile and cheer for love. Look at me, learning to text and not to open doors. You will find a lady/girl of your own one day, or maybe you won't, and maybe I will, and maybe I won't, but we still have to hold it together. We still have to find our final amazing.

A production assistant cleaned up the water.

Soon Andi came onstage and sat tensely next to Nick, who actually asked her how she could have "made love" with him if she didn't love him. She was contemptuous and disgusted by this, by this guy who still seemed under the impression that it had all been a misunderstanding. And maybe nobody liked Nick because his grief was too real. Maybe nobody liked Nick because he reminded us that love and need and vulnerability are so, so ugly when a relationship doesn't work out. During the next commercial break, Andi turned toward the guys she'd rejected in the front row to share an eye roll with them at Nick's expense. But at this they stiffened. Suddenly they realized that they had more in common with Nick than with her, that it was only by the grace of God that they weren't up there, humiliated, with wet shoes. Suddenly they realized that this wasn't so much a contest as it was a game, and that they'd all lost, even Josh, all of them except for Andi."

Andi  is the most self absorbed woman that this show has ever seen. To this day she still has zero compassion for others than herself . She played the game and won but at the cost of others hearts broken.  I think that the majority of the people have realized that she has shown her true colors on the show and after.  She does not deserve the love and compassion that Nick would of given her. She wanted to be in the spotlight and Josh was the perfect guy because that is what he wanted out of this too.

Glad that Nick has kept it classy and will find the love he deserves.

Spotlight? If you actually followed the couple or checked in the fan forum occasionally, you would realize that Andi and Josh spend about all of their time in Atlanta and have only done a handful of events since the finale. Out of those events, all of them were for charity but one. They just spent almost two weeks visiting the Murray's in Tampa and KC. They barely post on social media. They spend most of their weekends with the Dorfman's. Josh is working two jobs in financial advising and doing marketing work/sales/promotion for another company and Andi has her own website. Doesn't seem very Hollywood. I'm all for speculating on whether or not they will last, get married, etc. but they want to be in the spotlight and that's why she picked Josh? It might be better to know more about someone, especially in the past 7 months, then making such claims.  

Sorry, none of us 'know' Josh and Andi. I also believe one of the reasons Andi choose Josh was b/c he was more comfortable with a celebrity lifestyle. They may be attending charity events, but many 'celebrities' are paid for their attendence at charity functions. We don't know if they are paid or not, regardless, they seem to enjoy the spotlight. The fact that she gave up her career in law to hawk another celebrity lifestyle website does not impress me AT ALL. But, really, Andi's entitled to whatever choice she wants to make, no problems, but for me it all comes back to how HEARTLESS she was towards Nick at ATFR.... and as a result of her actions you will never convince me that she's anything but a horrible person.

SueSt wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

whit90 wrote:

Andi  is the most self absorbed woman that this show has ever seen. To this day she still has zero compassion for others than herself . She played the game and won but at the cost of others hearts broken.  I think that the majority of the people have realized that she has shown her true colors on the show and after.  She does not deserve the love and compassion that Nick would of given her. She wanted to be in the spotlight and Josh was the perfect guy because that is what he wanted out of this too.

Glad that Nick has kept it classy and will find the love he deserves.

Spotlight? If you actually followed the couple or checked in the fan forum occasionally, you would realize that Andi and Josh spend about all of their time in Atlanta and have only done a handful of events since the finale. Out of those events, all of them were for charity but one. They just spent almost two weeks visiting the Murray's in Tampa and KC. They barely post on social media. They spend most of their weekends with the Dorfman's. Josh is working two jobs in financial advising and doing marketing work/sales/promotion for another company and Andi has her own website. Doesn't seem very Hollywood. I'm all for speculating on whether or not they will last, get married, etc. but they want to be in the spotlight and that's why she picked Josh? It might be better to know more about someone, especially in the past 7 months, then making such claims.  

Sorry, none of us 'know' Josh and Andi. I also believe one of the reasons Andi choose Josh was b/c he was more comfortable with a celebrity lifestyle.  They may be attending charity events, but many 'celebrities' are paid for their attendence at charity functions.  We don't know if they are paid or not, regardless, they seem to enjoy the spotlight.  The fact that she gave up her career in law to hawk another celebrity lifestyle website does not impress me AT ALL. But, really, Andi's entitled to whatever choice she wants to make, no problems, but for me it all comes back to how HEARTLESS she was towards Nick at ATFR.... and as a result of her actions you will never convince me that she's anything but a horrible person.