Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Guest]

[quote="Aunties_Love"]

What was it that JP was referring to about the women tell all and some of the production.  The way he said it was almost like a stab towards the producers.  Was that when he started posting the Nikki videos?  Another stab at production??

i think at WTA he found out he didnt get the DWTS gig...so he and Nikki had to change their future plan

Ok, thanks.  It just sounded like a dig at producers the way he said it.[/quote

you're welcome. Coming from him, it was not a surprise, huh?..LOL

[Aunties_Love]

What was it that JP was referring to about the women tell all and some of the production.  The way he said it was almost like a stab towards the producers.  Was that when he started posting the Nikki videos?  Another stab at production??

i think at WTA he found out he didnt get the DWTS gig...so he and Nikki had to change their future plan

Ok, thanks.  It just sounded like a dig at producers the way he said it.[/quote

you're welcome. Coming from him, it was not a surprise, huh?..LOL

LOL, no doubt!

[Guest]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

[Aunties_Love]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

Just a question, what three are you talking about? AND are you including long lasting relationships in that as well?

[Isabel123]

Its a bittersweet for me. Although im team Carla, i hope at least JPab dropped his L word for Nikki on their loveydovey sessions post FRC. It wont hurt that it was in exotic place, either.

soo..how long should we give JuKi pairing a time limit for the L word and then engagement??...

Good question? I think he did n't want to do it to spite the MF. I think we know it when Chres are invited to the engagement party. I don't think there will be a wedding on TV. Juan is done with them. did you see his sister tweets?

Yes, i saw the tweets. She tweeted about the earrings worn by Nikki during MTP. From what i understand, it was design by their dad and was given to her by JP. I have rewatched the episode and Nikki was pointing to her ears before the end of her conversation with JP dad, but there was no audio.

[Guest]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

Just a question, what three are you talking about?  AND are you including long lasting relationships in that as well?

Tristan, Sean and Ashley. Des as far as i am concerned is not yet there. And I love these people.

[Aunties_Love]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

Just a question, what three are you talking about?  AND are you including long lasting relationships in that as well?

Tristan, Sean and Ashley. Des as far as i am concerned is not yet there. And I love these people.

Yes, Trista, Sean, Ashley, Jason, and Desiree. There are other long term relationships like Charlie and Sarah. They lasted several years so do count that as a success as well.

[nd4reality]

Bryon and Mary also dated for a number of years.

[nd4reality]

I think Sean and Cat will probably see it differently later, but I think they were upset for Chris in the moment. I also think Cat was talking about JPs lack of gratitude for what he got out of it. The thing is he was treated very differently than Sean, so you can't really compare the 2.

In my opinion, there were no winners tonight. I feel sorry for Nikki. That was sort of humiliating. She could do a lot better IMO.

And chloep, I agree with you on the whole brat thing.

I heard JP express his appreciation and gratitude for being on the show and finding Nikki.

I heard it also.

I don't get this big deal that CH was making. He was pushing even after getting an explanation for the reason from both JP and Nikki. They want to go private and should have been respected.

Sean is right when saying that their lives will be public but the truth is that he and Catherine chose to spend a lot of time in LA with dwts and later as well. LA is paparazzi central whereas a life like JM, AJP and even TR is not. It is when TR choose to do interviews and "go public" that they have cameras in their faces. Otherwise they have controlled their public life pretty well and kept their private life as private as they want to.
There are options and being a pawn to this machine is not the only one.

[Guest]

Sean likes having his hand greased by tptb. I read an article he didn't want to be an insurance agent and so this is his way of getting out of that. It's his life I don't care what he does but he and Catherine went down a few notches with me last night. BTW the virgin bachelor title is a lie. He isn't a virgin he had sex with others before Catherine. They should have titled him the abstaining bachelor.

[albean99]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

[Aunties_Love]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this. I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date. According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her. Talk about disrespecting someone. In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it. That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

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