Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Maggenzm]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

Barvo!! Agree with everything but the bolded. My favorite season was Chris and Des.
  

[Mirzam]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

Excellent post. 100% agree.   

[Maggenzm]

I dont know about y'all but this was my best season of the Bachelor EVER!
Its realistic, flawed, honest and ended with two people who actually get each other.
Not saying everything JP did was right but isnt that waht being human is about? Its real, we all live in a world where we sometimes do wrong, say wrong and act wrong. We have been sold this fairytale ending for years and years and only got 3 lucky ones from a possible.....20/ 25 endings. Not everyone is expressive or quock to fall in love. Some take their time. It was Juan Pablos moment and he navigated it as best as he could. Remained open( unlike pasts who claimed to) and went with th girl best suited to him.
Chris Harrison isnt a god that cant be spoken back at, I am especially happy JP didnt pander to the production's crap.
Sean and catherine, bless them, have their asses owned for now. They surely cant afford to bite the hands that feeds them.

I wish JP and Nikki nothing but the best and as nikki said, time will tell. Cant see them doing any worse than the many in love couples that have graced our screens from the bachelor land.

Just a question, what three are you talking about?  AND are you including long lasting relationships in that as well?

Tristan, Sean and Ashley. Des as far as i am concerned is not yet there. And I love these people.

Don't forget Jason. And, I wouldn't rule out Juan yet...I think they have great support system. Juan family and Niki. Nikki family is very solid and his dad will serve as a good example for Juan, you can tell he was really impressed by him.
There is a saying "people don't care how much you know, unless they know you care". As stubborn as Juan is based on what we have seen and his mom and dad comments, there is always one or 2 people they will always listen to, and I think Nikki's dad will be one of those. We shall see.

[George1218]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

[Guest]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!: :shocked!: . Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

[George1218]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!: :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

I still don't believe he said it. Clare, IMHO, was so pi@%%*& and probably egged on by production that she would have said pretty much anything to "get" JP after he let her go. Sorry, just because she said that he said it doesn't mean that he said it.

[Guest]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!:   :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

I still don't believe he said it.  Clare, IMHO, was so pi@%%*& and probably egged on by production that she would have said pretty much anything to "get" JP after he let her go.  Sorry, just because she said that he said it doesn't mean that he said it.

Lots of producer manipulation and machination.

[JBF]

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It is not like they left much to our imaginations with "Let's not kiss" and Ocean Romp. Remember that Nikki had to watch all of that on TV. Maybe he was just acting for the cameras and they yelled "cut"? Or maybe we were really watching Nikki ocean romping instead and Clare's face was photoshopped over hers? At this point, I am so clueless what this season was about, I'll believe anything.

[iamreal2u]

Its a bittersweet for me. Although im team Carla, i hope at least JPab dropped his L word for Nikki on their loveydovey sessions post FRC. It wont hurt that it was in exotic place, either.

soo..how long should we give JuKi pairing a time limit for the L word and then engagement??...

Good question? I think he did n't want to do it to spite the MF. I think we know it when Chres are invited to the engagement party. I don't think there will be a wedding on TV. Juan is done with them. did you see his sister tweets?

Yes, i saw the tweets. She tweeted about the earrings worn by Nikki during MTP. From what i understand, it was design by their dad and was given to her by JP. I have rewatched the episode and Nikki was pointing to her ears before the end of her conversation with JP dad, but there was no audio.

So that was her birthday present on her HTD from JuanPa and family. My gosh..that meant that he really cared for her for sometime.

[Isabel123]

Its a bittersweet for me. Although im team Carla, i hope at least JPab dropped his L word for Nikki on their loveydovey sessions post FRC. It wont hurt that it was in exotic place, either.

soo..how long should we give JuKi pairing a time limit for the L word and then engagement??...

Good question? I think he did n't want to do it to spite the MF. I think we know it when Chres are invited to the engagement party. I don't think there will be a wedding on TV. Juan is done with them. did you see his sister tweets?

Yes, i saw the tweets. She tweeted about the earrings worn by Nikki during MTP. From what i understand, it was design by their dad and was given to her by JP. I have rewatched the episode and Nikki was pointing to her ears before the end of her conversation with JP dad, but there was no audio.

So that was her birthday present on her HTD from JuanPa and family.  My gosh..that meant that he really cared for her for sometime.  

I think you are right, that must be his bday present to her.

[Maggenzm]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

What I got from what Clare was saying is that they had a strong physical chemistry but he didn't know her well enough. That offended her because all along she thought that it was more than the physical. But, honestly that's all it was and Juan knew that, so, as usual, he was honest with her. Basically using Clare word "Juan said the words that no women wants to hear". I would said that "Juan said the words that no women who is chasing a guy want to hear". When a women is chasing a guy, she should prepare for heartbreak. Women, let the man chase you, he would appreciate you more!!JMO

[Mommyof2]

Interesting what Neil Lane had to say about JP:

Meanwhile, jeweler Neil Lane, who famously provides the engagement rings for the "Bachelor/ette" finales, tells People that he thought Juan Pablo was ready to propose to Nikki in Saint Lucia.

"He indicated to me that he had found the right girl. He did not give a hint that he didn't have that certainty about the woman he was choosing. Sitting in Saint Lucia and talking to him, it was clear he had a girl in mind and he wasn't taking it lightly. He seemed excited about the moment and finding the best ring for this particular girl," says Lane. "When I left him, he seemed prepared to propose. There were other 'Bachelors' over the years, like Jake Pavelka, who seemed less certain or who might have been struggling. Juan Pablo was not that way."

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