Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Alanna]

I too would rather they just don't grt engaged than a fake engagement like Emily and the others. Also, I do think that JPG expresses his love to Nikki even if he hasn't said the words. He takes pics of her eating, sleeping, hanging out, I don't think you do that unless you're totally smitten by your SO.

[USAGold]

I hope that Nikki is in cahoots with JP and that's what it is because I saw a woman who clung on to what she perceived as "her man".  I don't think he's hers, or ever will be.

I give them 1 month before they go their way. She deserves better.
I don't care what sort of game JP is playing with ABC, CH or Nikki. My sixth sense tells me he IS bad news.

I know that the women on WTA sounded like a bunch of scorned women, but now after seeing the show in its' entirety there seemed to have been a pattern-JP is a jerk. If it quacks like a duck...it IS a duck.

I totally agree! Well said!

[2observe]

One think that has struck me in reading CH's post-finale interviews is that he described Clare as a 'sweet, caring and confident" woman. He also made sure to say that he liked her right from the beginning and didn't understand the viewers negative reaction to her. My question to you is: could the Clare we saw on TV be an edited character just as we believe JP was?

Why are we so fast in extending this courtesy- giving of the benefit of the doubt, only to the lead and our favourite contestants, and automatically take every one else on "face value". I know this is human nature, but still...

There's no question in my mind that Clare was also an edited character.  On another ETA: note, do you recall seeing an interview that Juan did (I don't recall who was the interviewer) where he said that he actually played match maker for Chris Harrison???  I was so surprised at that statement, but the first person that came to my mind was Clare.  I also noticed that he follows her on twitter and probably FB too.

[Isabel123]

 
When I watched ATFR I saw a couple who were in love and, to me, looked like they were in cahoots together against TPTB.  Nikki has come across, IMO, as a very intelligent woman with a good head on her shoulders.  She even said that as if the situation didn't feel right she would be out of there.

CH confirmed the bolded in his blog. JP's stubbornness is explained by this blog posted by a close friend. Also added is the blog written by Linda Holmes.


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[2observe]

Hopefully there is a board running in a couple months on JP and Nikki...........because I think that if he cannot get himself to say ILY by now, it ain't happening, and Nikki is in denial.

Nikki, as a woman, deserves to be treated better. It's not ok tomake a woman BEG for love. No self respecting woman would go for that.

Did I miss something????  I don't recall hearing Nikki begging for Juan to tell her that he loves her.

[Maggenzm]

 
When I watched ATFR I saw a couple who were in love and, to me, looked like they were in cahoots together against TPTB.  Nikki has come across, IMO, as a very intelligent woman with a good head on her shoulders.  She even said that as if the situation didn't feel right she would be out of there.

CH confirmed the bolded in his blog. JP's stubbornness is explained by this blog posted by a close friend. Also added is the blog written by Linda Holmes.


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This is exactly how I felt! They never took the time to explain or learn his culture. Only those of us from different culture were able to understand JuanP.

Xenophobia, Entertainment and Bullies.
How “The Bachelor” Exposed the Inauthenticity of the Fairy Tale Ending.
laura i. gómezlaura i. gómez
Juan Pablo Galavis. You may have heard of him or seen his face plastered on celebrity magazines. He was this season’s “The Bachelor” — you probably read (horrible things)about him in a tweet, gossip blog or Facebook feed. Or you may have watched the show.

Who is this guy? You ask yourself. Well, that “jerk” is my friend. My “cuate” (bro). I know the type of human being, father, friend, son and man he is. He is kind, thoughtful, considerate and loyal. My boyfriend calls him “one of the nicest” guys he knows.

As any brother and sister, we have our disagreements. He is human — a tendency to be stubborn and as some of you witnessed on tv, brutally honest. But on the flip side, his stubbornness becomes resilience in face of adversity and his honesty the path to transparency and openness during conflict.

He is also one of the most caring people I know.

Unfortunately for America, they did not see the real Juan Pablo on television. Like his friend Zak said, what you are seeing is an edited down version, a “character” for entertainment purposes (fueled by xenophobia). But this is not the “real” Juan Pablo. I know this.

So @JuanPaGalavis I hope America sees that you have been edited down to a “character” used to tell a story. But not a story of the real you.
— Zak Waddell (@RealZakWaddell)
For those that are not familiar with the term, xenophobia is the intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. As a sociologist, I will evaluate on this later on.

Juan Pablo believes in honesty while speaking a second language: English. Professionally, I work with languages and technology — how they interact and involve themselves in our lives. I know for a fact that, when talking matters of the heart, the instinct is to always speak in the mother tongue — so basically, intentions don’t translate well when discussing emotions. Then you add editing and inconsiderate hunger for ratings — you get this.

Things get lost in translation. For example, “I like you a lot” can be roughly traduced to te quiero but can also mean you care and love a person as well.

The equivalent of “I love you” is te amo — but this is said rarely and only when there is that deep connection of being in love. Unlike Americans, Latin Americans don’t say te amo in every relationship. We just don’t. That is why he didn’t say it. He needs to share that intimacy with just her. But the fairy tales tells us Prince Charming should yell this at the top of his lungs. He should demonstrate it to everyone on his truth.

Having known Juan Pablo for years, I have never heard him share stories of exes, girlfriends, lovers. He has always been private in these matters.

The horrible neglect of the production company to provide language and emotional support to him (and his family) and educate viewers on his cultural background resulted in this “character” that America loves to hate.

I believe NZK, the production company, is to blame. I know this as a fact. Linda Holmes from NPR write, “[they] decided that they needed a different framing for the season — one in which their bachelor was kind of … a jerk. They made a choice to cut him loose. To throw him, in reality show terms, under the bus.”

While I do agree to a certain extent that Juan Pablo wasn’t cut out for the show, this was only exacerbated by NZK neglect to provide support and guidance….. and for throwing him under the bus.

And during “After the Rose”, the bus repeatedly ran over Juan Pablo and his final choice, Nikki.

Holmes wrote: “You were watching the struggle between a network production trying to put together a neat narrative about a guy women could have fun gabbing about as a Bad Boyfriend and a guy who was not at all prepared to have that happen, regardless of whether he deserved it.”

That hate was found in the horrible tweets and Facebook comments. The horrifying bullying of social media. They were not only targeted at Juan Pablo, but also his girlfriend (see tweet below) his daughter, his family.

Being in the public eye does NOT give you the right to say what you want to me. Your words hurt no matter what. Be ashamed of yourselves.
— Nikki Ferrell (@Nikki_Ferrell)
THIS IS NOT OKAY.

NO. It “esss” not “okay” to make fun of someone’s accent, nationality and cultural background. It is not classy, people. And well, just insensitive. But above all, that is xenophobic. Shame on you, America.

And the host, Chris Harrison — what a cowardly decision to go to media outlets and choose such an inconsiderate approach for your public attacks on Juan Pablo. How horrible are you to push him to say something all for your ratings and your fake happy ending. Shame on you.

NZK. shame on your cultural insensitivity in every decision you made (casting, editing, marketing) that has created this “character” of a person.

Thankfully, I know the real Juan Pablo. Te quiero cuate. It’s okay.

Best,

::LG

This post is focused on how a large media corporation has abused the trust of a whole family with their xenophobic and cultural insensitive approaches. On a personal level, this is not about Juan Pablo’s choice of words to describe gays on prime time. Having grown up in San Francisco Bay Area and raised by an open-minded mother, I am a fierce proponent (as is Juan Pablo and the Galavis family) of marriage equality and gay rights.

[Maggenzm]

 
When I watched ATFR I saw a couple who were in love and, to me, looked like they were in cahoots together against TPTB.  Nikki has come across, IMO, as a very intelligent woman with a good head on her shoulders.  She even said that as if the situation didn't feel right she would be out of there.

CH confirmed the bolded in his blog. JP's stubbornness is explained by this blog posted by a close friend. Also added is the blog written by Linda Holmes.


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Xenophobia, Entertainment and Bullies.
How “The Bachelor” Exposed the Inauthenticity of the Fairy Tale Ending.  

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This is exactly how I felt! They never took the time to explain or learn his culture. Only those of us from different culture were able to understand JuanP.

Xenophobia, Entertainment and Bullies.
How “The Bachelor” Exposed the Inauthenticity of the Fairy Tale Ending.
laura i. gómezlaura i. gómez
Juan Pablo Galavis. You may have heard of him or seen his face plastered on celebrity magazines. He was this season’s “The Bachelor” — you probably read (horrible things)about him in a tweet, gossip blog or Facebook feed. Or you may have watched the show.

Who is this guy? You ask yourself. Well, that “jerk” is my friend. My “cuate” (bro). I know the type of human being, father, friend, son and man he is. He is kind, thoughtful, considerate and loyal. My boyfriend calls him “one of the nicest” guys he knows.

As any brother and sister, we have our disagreements. He is human — a tendency to be stubborn and as some of you witnessed on tv, brutally honest. But on the flip side, his stubbornness becomes resilience in face of adversity and his honesty the path to transparency and openness during conflict.

He is also one of the most caring people I know.

Unfortunately for America, they did not see the real Juan Pablo on television. Like his friend Zak said, what you are seeing is an edited down version, a “character” for entertainment purposes (fueled by xenophobia). But this is not the “real” Juan Pablo. I know this.

So @JuanPaGalavis I hope America sees that you have been edited down to a “character” used to tell a story. But not a story of the real you.
— Zak Waddell (@RealZakWaddell)
For those that are not familiar with the term, xenophobia is the intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. As a sociologist, I will evaluate on this later on.

Juan Pablo believes in honesty while speaking a second language: English. Professionally, I work with languages and technology — how they interact and involve themselves in our lives. I know for a fact that, when talking matters of the heart, the instinct is to always speak in the mother tongue — so basically, intentions don’t translate well when discussing emotions. Then you add editing and inconsiderate hunger for ratings — you get this.

Things get lost in translation. For example, “I like you a lot” can be roughly traduced to te quiero but can also mean you care and love a person as well.

The equivalent of “I love you” is te amo — but this is said rarely and only when there is that deep connection of being in love. Unlike Americans, Latin Americans don’t say te amo in every relationship. We just don’t. That is why he didn’t say it. He needs to share that intimacy with just her. But the fairy tales tells us Prince Charming should yell this at the top of his lungs. He should demonstrate it to everyone on his truth.

Having known Juan Pablo for years, I have never heard him share stories of exes, girlfriends, lovers. He has always been private in these matters.

The horrible neglect of the production company to provide language and emotional support to him (and his family) and educate viewers on his cultural background resulted in this “character” that America loves to hate.

I believe NZK, the production company, is to blame. I know this as a fact. Linda Holmes from NPR write, “[they] decided that they needed a different framing for the season — one in which their bachelor was kind of … a jerk. They made a choice to cut him loose. To throw him, in reality show terms, under the bus.”

While I do agree to a certain extent that Juan Pablo wasn’t cut out for the show, this was only exacerbated by NZK neglect to provide support and guidance….. and for throwing him under the bus.

And during “After the Rose”, the bus repeatedly ran over Juan Pablo and his final choice, Nikki.

Holmes wrote: “You were watching the struggle between a network production trying to put together a neat narrative about a guy women could have fun gabbing about as a Bad Boyfriend and a guy who was not at all prepared to have that happen, regardless of whether he deserved it.”

That hate was found in the horrible tweets and Facebook comments. The horrifying bullying of social media. They were not only targeted at Juan Pablo, but also his girlfriend (see tweet below) his daughter, his family.

Being in the public eye does NOT give you the right to say what you want to me. Your words hurt no matter what. Be ashamed of yourselves.
— Nikki Ferrell (@Nikki_Ferrell)
THIS IS NOT OKAY.

NO. It “esss” not “okay” to make fun of someone’s accent, nationality and cultural background. It is not classy, people. And well, just insensitive. But above all, that is xenophobic. Shame on you, America.

And the host, Chris Harrison — what a cowardly decision to go to media outlets and choose such an inconsiderate approach for your public attacks on Juan Pablo. How horrible are you to push him to say something all for your ratings and your fake happy ending. Shame on you.

NZK. shame on your cultural insensitivity in every decision you made (casting, editing, marketing) that has created this “character” of a person.

Thankfully, I know the real Juan Pablo. Te quiero cuate. It’s okay.

Best,

::LG

This post is focused on how a large media corporation has abused the trust of a whole family with their xenophobic and cultural insensitive approaches. On a personal level, this is not about Juan Pablo’s choice of words to describe gays on prime time. Having grown up in San Francisco Bay Area and raised by an open-minded mother, I am a fierce proponent (as is Juan Pablo and the Galavis family) of marriage equality and gay rights.

here is the other article- different perspective

Every Reality Show Is A True Story, And Other 'Bachelor' Lessons
by LINDA HOLMES
March 11, 201410:03 AM

[Maggenzm]

Hopefully there is a board running in a couple months on JP and Nikki...........because I think that if he cannot get himself to say ILY by now, it ain't happening, and Nikki is in denial.

Nikki, as a woman, deserves to be treated better. It's not ok tomake a woman BEG for love. No self respecting woman would go for that.

Did I miss something????  I don't recall hearing Nikki begging for Juan to tell her that he loves her.

AFRC, Nikki said, she feels loved. She said the moment she stop feeling it, she is gone. I believe her, she is very strong, very mature for her age. Time will tell.

[2observe]

Hopefully there is a board running in a couple months on JP and Nikki...........because I think that if he cannot get himself to say ILY by now, it ain't happening, and Nikki is in denial.

Nikki, as a woman, deserves to be treated better. It's not ok tomake a woman BEG for love. No self respecting woman would go for that.

Did I miss something????  I don't recall hearing Nikki begging for Juan to tell her that he loves her.

AFRC, Nikki said, she feels loved. She said the moment she stop feeling it, she is gone. I believe her, she is very strong, very mature for her age. Time will tell.

ITA, and isn't that the whole point....to feel loved?  Just because someone tells me that they love me doesn't mean that I will feel loved.  So, I'd rather feel that I'm loved by someone than to just hear the words and not feel it.   jmo

[quietpal]

ITA, and isn't that the whole point....to feel loved?  Just because someone tells me that they love me doesn't mean that I will feel loved.  So, I'd rather feel that I'm loved by someone than to just hear the words and not feel it.   jmo

My feelings exactly!

[nd4reality]

Wow - that article was very eye opening. Not that we didn't guess what the machine was trying to do but gosh.

And it seems my suspicions that they deliberately set him up from the start for ratings seem to be shared.

[Isabel123]

Wow - that article was very eye opening. Not that we didn't guess what the machine was trying to do but gosh.

And it seems my suspicions that they deliberately set him up from the start for ratings seem to be shared.

ND, your previous post is spot on. It seems like from the onset the production already has a plan to portray JP's character as a jerk. As Jillian mentioned in her blog, there is always a producer to help/ guide. But in JP's case, he was left alone to sink or swim.

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