Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

by Guest Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:04 pm

Mirzam wrote:
iamreal2u wrote:She also said that he could have played another song or no song at all, but he chose that song. If he sends her home he would be an a88hole. Interesting that they are in her bedroom by the way. She does have a sitting room, since we see her crying on the couch after he leaves. Again my question, why is she crying? I like that she realizes that there is someone else there. Very realistic.

She is being very realistic. My guess is she is crying because the reality of the situation - the possibility of being rejected tomorrow has hit home.

Agreed! Remember, we saw Catherine cry after the LCD during Sean's season and there have been other season were both F2 cried. I dont think tears either way (in this case they both cry anyway so no clue here!) would mean F1 or F2.

by Mommyof2 Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:06 pm

2observe wrote:Does anyone know who gets the first MTP Date?

Clare, I believe.

by Aunties_Love Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:17 pm

Mommyof1 wrote:
2observe wrote:Does anyone know who gets the first MTP Date?

Clare, I believe.

How do you know that? I didn't see anything that would confirm that so just wondering if I missed it somewhere. Thanks.

by 2observe Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:19 pm

Mommyof1 wrote:
2observe wrote:Does anyone know who gets the first MTP Date?

Clare, I believe.

Ok, thanks.

by Jeepers Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:25 pm

It seems that Nikki gets the second of all the dates tonight .. As per her utterance of the word tomorrow during her LCD

by Guest Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:26 pm

albean99 wrote:That was just the typical "I don't know what I'm going to do" game the leads play.

Do you think he told Clare that she "barely" made it to the f2? J/k ......... I think.

I am going to put my 2 cents in and probably offense people (I use the language barrier excuse JAJAJAJAJA!)
I found since I live in Ireland (for those who dont know I am French, i.e. have Latin blood Embarressed!

) that i regularly offend people by being eally hones and straight forward, doigthings most Europeans (i.e not Anglo-saxons) would find very inappropriate...

Example: on a business trip ith a colleague, arriving early from the airport to a client's office, I took her aside to tell her that she had BO (we did have a 9 hours plane trip) and she took great offense. In my mind though, I was being helpful by telling her something she could correct before meeting an important client.

So.... my point is that I found sometimes the levels of "rudeness" vary depending on the point of view. I would think it rude to let me meet a client if I was smelly, or had lettuce in my teeth or whatever, but found that Irish/Anglo-saxons react badly to that kind of comment... I learned in my 18 years here!

So maybe that is somethng like that happening with Clare and JP? (Or maybe I am on my scond glass of wine, it is almost midnight and I am losing it) :hidingchair

by LibbyBell Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:59 pm

WOOHOO!! Everyone, enjoy the show! I look forward to reading everyone's comments--I'll be on after. (I can't lose focus giggling

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by mprssdbyu Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:07 pm

This season for me in a nutshell...

There were 2 women and 2 women only that ever stood a chance to stand as F1...Sharlene and Nikki...I don't mean he didn't really like Clare because he did but when you are talking about a proposal (TPTB only want), they knew by his actions he wasn't engaging to play out a believable love story and it pissed CH off...fairly early on. What they didn't expect was for JP to be so open about where he stood. Because of his true belief and being honest, he kept the kissing to a minimum with almost everyone. If you think of all the past bachelors, how many truly stuck to what their heart told them and didn't lead them on by following the script TPTB wanted! Seriously! There are some things he needs to work on. I think he may have learned the hard way this season, but he's not the type of guy to not get that. He may come across as pompous to some but I don't get that vibe at all from him. He's tired of all executives (TPTB) and had had enough a long time ago. If CH had come at me and continued his little rant with the tone in those deleted sits downs, I would have easily told him...take it elsewhere or put it where the sun don't shine. I strongly believe that what they wanted was against the very core of his being. No one that cries like that because he's hurt a friends feelings (RC) would ever tweet anything that would intentionally hurt anyone. It's just not in him. I think at this point, he's just over it and I don't blame him even a little bit.

As for Clare, I probably like her more than most diehard Nikki fans. I just think he liked Nikki the moment she stepped out of that limo, took her seriously and really got to know her. AND IMO, she's the best fit for him...I just hope TPTB hasn't destroyed the chance they had to see if it works when they initiated their campaign against him through editing. If he picked no one, (which I seriously doubt)...they had a hand in it. I haven't seen tweets to CH or MF...don't follow them or tweet but I do hope fans tell them how malicious they truly are and what a turn off it's been this season. I really am not sure if I'll be watching again anytime soon. I'm just over it.

by Guest Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:09 pm

that sobbing in the preview sounded like Clare

by chloep Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:14 pm

mprssdbyu wrote:This season for me in a nutshell...

There were 2 women and 2 women only that ever stood a chance to stand as F1...Sharlene and Nikki...I don't mean he didn't really like Clare because he did but when you are talking about a proposal (TPTB only want), they knew by his actions he wasn't engaging to play out a believable love story and it pissed CH off...fairly early on. What they didn't expect was for JP to be so open about where he stood. Because of his true belief and being honest, he kept the kissing to a minimum with almost everyone. If you think of all the past bachelors, how many truly stuck to what their heart told them and didn't lead them on by following the script TPTB wanted! Seriously! Their are some things he needs to work on. I think he may have learned the hard way this season, but he's not the type of guy to not get that. He may come across as pompous to some but I don't get that vibe at all from him. He's tired of all executives (TPTB) and had had enough a long time ago. I strongly believe that what they wanted was against the very core of his being. No one that cries like that because he's hurt a friends feelings (RC) would ever tweet anything that would intentionally hurt anyone. It's just not in him. I think at this point, he's just over it and I don't blame him even a little bit.

As for Clare, I probably like her more than most diehard Nikki fans. I just think he liked Nikki the moment she stepped out of that limo, took her seriously and really got to know her. AND IMO, she's the best fit for him...I just hope TPTB hasn't destroyed the chance they had to see if it works when they initiated their campaign against him through editing. If he picked no one, (which I seriously doubt)...they had a hand in it. I haven't seen tweets to CH or MF...don't follow them or tweet but I do hope fans tell them how malicious they truly are and what a turn off it's been this season. I really am not sure if I'll be watching again anytime soon. I'm just over it.

^^ You know, I agree with pretty much everything you said, I have a question for you though. Regarding something that in my eyes is also very important when it comes to his chosen lady......

Do you feel that Nikki's feelings are genuine towards Juan Pablo? Does her body language and her facial expressions align with what she is claiming to feel?

by mprssdbyu Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:19 pm

Chloe, I do. She is alot like JP...if Nikki's not feeling it, she's not...Nikki keeps it real more than any F1 I've ever witnessed. She's logical and she thinks everything through and when she has questions, she fires away...she's worse than JP at times...Nikki HAS NO filter! I think she struggles at times because she doesn't get how she comes across nor do I think she stays away at night worrying about it! It's not intentional hurt, it's just her honesty shinging through. LOL, there may be too much honesty in her relationship with JP. If they both learn how to communicate, it just might actually work if TPTB haven't destroyed it by having so much time apart....that and the media tearing him apart with help from TPTB.

ETA: While I'm on the subject, I don't think TPTB are too crazy about Nikki....they are much more pro Clare. That is what makes the edit difficult to decipher. I've just been watching JP and I just don't see it any other way.

by Guest Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:27 pm

alright..alright..alright..i think i`ll leave my ammos here for my own future reference. If im proven right, i can go back and check the pattern/theory that has worked. If im dead wrong, i did keep a record to not repeating the same mistakes again giggling

. Just thought i would i share...

Here is the lay out of---borrowing JBF`s term--- the most stand out trees of the forest to me. Or in my own words, the big, important chunk of my puzzle`s pieces.

I just really hope MF and his agents from `Austria` wont be lurking in here, change their game and ruin the next seasons pattern for me...LOL..

Sorry for me quoting myself, most of the materials here were taken from edit thread, where i dropped no less than 7 bombs of my findings.

END OF THIS SEASON IN A NUTSHELL

part 1.

NIKKI
i really think based on edit, there will be a `real shocker` in the end...for Nikki. I throw in my speculation below.

Litta123 wrote:Not sure if any thing should be made of this, but someone sent me a PM tonight with a heads up about this cap. It was in the behind the scenes special from early in the season. Nikki is in the same room for her PI that Andi is in. It's in St. Lucia. Significant...or not? It's from when Nikki was talking about how she couldn't imagine what it would feel like being one of the women who didn't get a rose the first night.

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ETA: to be specific it was "who didn't get a rose last night"...so I guess she could have been referring to a previous RC...not necessarily the M&G. Hear for yourself...start around the 1:12 mark.

She appeared as a mess to me, in this pic. My take is : They need her to make a PI about foreshadowing what will happen to her later during the show/ in St.Lucia . (this PI was Purposely taken to be used in behind the scenes epis. She had to make a comment about girls left without a rose at MnG. Simple. it foreshadowing that she will be rose-less as well in the end of this (i think JBF has once brought this topic up). I think a PI not necessarily referring to what has JUST has happened at the moment, but it could be a `filler` PI to complete the story--filling the gaps, foreshadowing, etc. I have found a lot of these kind on Des`s season. nbd. This is likely taken at St.Lucia, after the fact,, before going back to US (either she bolt or she was booted- im leaning more on the latter).She has to wait until the lead and his F1 finish with their loveydovey 4 days, anyway, so there was plenty of time for them to fill the gaps by shooting these `filler` PIs. Mind you that she HAS TO do those tricky PIs. Shocking? Not at all. Rolling Eyes

In short, the PI of her commenting on girls not getting roses at MnG is for foreshadowing what would happen to her at FRC, (i.e. not getting a rose)

i also found intriguing..err..electrifying scenes of Nikki that looks like foreshadowing (in a very2 weird way! :lala: ) to me :

0:40..Kat : Elec tri ci ty....(camera clearly was panning to the sleepy head Nikki rofl

). i was LOL ing so hard over this funny scene..

the weird line was repeated again on this vid from 3:36 : I feel like electrified,,,,I feel like..IDK...i feel like i socked my finger in the light socket.

so..i just throwing fire ball in here and predict that she will get booted at the F2. (before/after LCD/MTP or at FRC, not sure for now). in Fleissian term, Nikki will get electrified.

Can you imagine being booted at /rejected at the F2? handsdown it will be the most humiliating experience ever. like being sent to an `electric chair`that will leave the electric jolt forever on you (i.e. your heart).

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