Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[richmondrose]

They bleeped it, but he said, "he loved f'ing her" in response to her question of do you love me. I agree she had the info she needed at that moment.

Thank you grace for posting that. People can judge for themselves as to the veracity of the comment.

[pbmax]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!: :shocked!: . Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

I re-watch and heard no such thing. If it had happen I couldn't imagine them editing it out cause it prove their case. The whole thing smells and stinks of TPTB.

[Guest]

They bleeped it, but he said, "he loved f'ing her" in response to her question of do you love me. I agree she had the info she needed at that moment.

Thank you grace for posting that. People can judge for themselves as to the veracity of the comment.

Yes, i edited my post since I put it in quotes. She asked do you love me? He said, "I love f'ing you." And yes, it's there in her ITM after the RC. His emotional intelligence is just way too low for a show like this. You can criticize Sean for playing ball with TPTB, but he is liked by so many for a reason. He conducts himself with dignity and respect for others. That was all just shocking to me last night. The OMG was there after all. I need to wash my hands of this mess and forget about it. Too disturbing.  :vomit:

[Maggenzm]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!:   :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

I still don't believe he said it.  Clare, IMHO, was so pi@%%*& and probably egged on by production that she would have said pretty much anything to "get" JP after he let her go.  Sorry, just because she said that he said it doesn't mean that he said it.

This is coming from a mouth of a women who thought that she was "the only one for him" regardless of all the signs that pointed to Nikki being the favorite.
It blows my mind that a 32 year old women didn't recognized that all they had in common was physical chemistry..
b]She would not have said that if he had picked her,[/b] "it would have being the best day of her life" her PI right before the FRC.
How crazy is that? You get your way, he is a great man. You don't get your way, he is a evil man. Her sister was right, not ready for marriage yet.

[Maggenzm]

^^ apparently she has a shift where she is off 4 days a week and long 3.  Not sure if this is reverse.  

Just to add both set of families are backing them

Eric Ferrell ‏@eric__ferrell  1h
I will stand behind @Nikki_Ferrell and @JuanPaGalavis better yet I would rather stand in front of them and take all the comments you have.

Wow! That's what they need.

[notarose]

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[LibbyBell]

grace, the only thing we know is that the statement was what Clare claimed he said since it wasn't filmed. Were those the actual words he used? Could he have said something else but (because of her history or the situation that she was in) this statement was how she interpreted it?

IMO, if she felt that was what Juan Pablo was telling her she should have run for the hills-- not continue to hike up the hill and back and then play cuddle-up later that night.

I know we all see things differently though, this is just how I see it.

[Maggenzm]

They bleeped it, but he said, "he loved f'ing her" in response to her question of do you love me. I agree she had the info she needed at that moment.

Thank you grace for posting that. People can judge for themselves as to the veracity of the comment.

Yes, i edited my post since I put it in quotes. She asked do you love me? He said, "I love f'ing you." And yes, it's there in her ITM after the RC. His emotional intelligence is just way too low for a show like this. You can criticize Sean for playing ball with TPTB, but he is liked by so many for a reason. He conducts himself with dignity and respect for others. That was all just shocking to me last night. The OMG was there after all. I need to wash my hands of this mess and forget about it. Too disturbing.  :vomit:

Wow! But, come on! He told her point blank what she was to him, and still she was willing to go on. what does that say about her?

[FLChica]

The edited Clare reminds me of the edited AshLee. Pretty, older contestant that thinks the Bach is feeling what she is feeling.

Interesting things happen when the cameras are off. Allegedly, Sean told AshLee he didn't give a rip about Cat & Lindsay. No one believed her. Allegedly, JP told Clare he loved fing her. Lots of people want to believe her.

Does the final outcome dictate what we believe of the lead? I think so.

[4health]

She made a horrible comment abt him as a father. Uncalled for imh. He should have said worse

Right! she get's an applause for her unnecessary comments that's not called for but he gets crucified for his.

What is wrong with a women expressing her honest opinion uncalled for but JuanP honest opinion is okay…..He is a man first and then a father, not a father and then a man……I think the world forgets that….just because you are a father doesn't make you a good man.

[Guest]

They bleeped it, but he said, "he loved f'ing her" in response to her question of do you love me. I agree she had the info she needed at that moment.

Thank you grace for posting that. People can judge for themselves as to the veracity of the comment.

Yes, i edited my post since I put it in quotes. She asked do you love me? He said, "I love f'ing you." And yes, it's there in her ITM after the RC. His emotional intelligence is just way too low for a show like this. You can criticize Sean for playing ball with TPTB, but he is liked by so many for a reason. He conducts himself with dignity and respect for others. That was all just shocking to me last night. The OMG was there after all. I need to wash my hands of this mess and forget about it. Too disturbing.  :vomit:

Wow! But, come on! He told her point blank what she was to him, and still she was willing to go on. what does that say about her?  

Where was I defending Clare? I was talking about pabs. You know I picked Nikki for F1, right? This is not sour grapes.

[Guest]

The edited Clare reminds me of the edited AshLee.  Pretty, older contestant that thinks the Bach is feeling what she is feeling.  

Interesting things happen when the cameras are off.  Allegedly, Sean told AshLee he didn't give a rip about Cat & Lindsay.  No one believed her.  Allegedly, JP told Clare he loved fing her.  Lots of people want to believe her.  

Does the final outcome dictate what we believe of the lead? I think so.

No, it took many many many examples of his stupidity and insensitivity to convince me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I know that they edit as they wish. In the end, he buried himself.

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