Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

by 4health Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:44 pm

FLChica wrote:The edited Clare reminds me of the edited AshLee. Pretty, older contestant that thinks the Bach is feeling what she is feeling.

Interesting things happen when the cameras are off. Allegedly, Sean told AshLee he didn't give a rip about Cat & Lindsay. No one believed her. Allegedly, JP told Clare he loved fing her. Lots of people want to believe her.

Does the final outcome dictate what we believe of the lead? I think so.

We will believe what we want to believe. Do we know these contestants enough to know that they wouldn't lie, embellish the truth, being honest and true, NO. I think maturity is knowing when to be brutally honest and true and when to restrain from it. I think JuanP's dad described him the best "it is either his way or no way" and if Nikki can handle that then more power to her. After being married for over 25 years (step parent to 2) and 3 of my own true respect is earned not forced and JuanP doesn't have the respect of tptb and the public because he just didn't want it and could care less about it.

by pbmax Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:47 pm

4health wrote:
pbmax wrote:
see2love wrote:She made a horrible comment abt him as a father. Uncalled for imh. He should have said worse

Right! she get's an applause for her unnecessary comments that's not called for but he gets crucified for his.

What is wrong with a women expressing her honest opinion uncalled for but JuanP honest opinion is okay…..He is a man first and then a father, not a father and then a man……I think the world forgets that….just because you are a father doesn't make you a good man.

My point was just as she can can speak her peace and it be okay then why can't he and it be okay.

by George1218 Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:47 pm

I don't care what Clare said in her ITM after the RC, I don't believe he said that to her. She can say that he said whatever she wants to say but, unless there is video, audio or the helicopter pilot saying he heard it, I don't believe it. I think Clare was blindsided by JP's rejection and hurt and pi@@%* off and probably egged on by TPTB. I think he probably said something to the effect of "I really like making out with you". No one knows the for sure what he actually said besides Clare, JP and the helicopter pilot. I think it is very strange and suspect that there was conveniently no audio at this exact time he supposedly said this. I just don't buy it.

by chloep Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:48 pm

FLChica wrote:The edited Clare reminds me of the edited AshLee. Pretty, older contestant that thinks the Bach is feeling what she is feeling.

Interesting things happen when the cameras are off. Allegedly, Sean told AshLee he didn't give a rip about Cat & Lindsay. No one believed her. Allegedly, JP told Clare he loved fing her. Lots of people want to believe her.

Does the final outcome dictate what we believe of the lead? I think so.

The difference is that AshLee said this 4 months after she has been dumped and has gone all Fatal Attraction.... Clare mentioned this while ON the show and seemingly still into JP....

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:54 pm

chloep wrote:
FLChica wrote:The edited Clare reminds me of the edited AshLee. Pretty, older contestant that thinks the Bach is feeling what she is feeling.

Interesting things happen when the cameras are off. Allegedly, Sean told AshLee he didn't give a rip about Cat & Lindsay. No one believed her. Allegedly, JP told Clare he loved fing her. Lots of people want to believe her.

Does the final outcome dictate what we believe of the lead? I think so.

The difference is that AshLee said this 4 months after she has been dumped and has gone all Fatal Attraction.... Clare mentioned this while ON the show and seemingly still into JP....

And apparently, Ashlee is still bitter from that tweet last night, He's a married man now, sweetie. giggling

by Bashful Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:03 pm

Just wondering...when Juan Paul asked, "What did I say to Clare that I should regret?" He said he hadn't watched. Chris just told him he offended her by what he said in the helicopter. He didn't tell him exactly what he was supposed to have said. Is it because it isn't really what he said and he would refute it? Is that why Clare didn't "need" to talk to him? She didn't want him to be able to deny it?

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:04 pm

Bashful wrote:Just wondering...when Juan Paul asked, "What did I say to Clare that I should regret?" He said he hadn't watched. Chris just told him he offended her by what he said in the helicopter. He didn't tell him exactly what he was supposed to have said. Is it because it isn't really what he said and he would refute it? Is that why Clare didn't "need" to talk to him? She didn't want him to be able to deny it?

That's my thinking.

by nd4reality Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:12 pm

nonnie wrote:
Bashful wrote:Just wondering...when Juan Paul asked, "What did I say to Clare that I should regret?" He said he hadn't watched. Chris just told him he offended her by what he said in the helicopter. He didn't tell him exactly what he was supposed to have said. Is it because it isn't really what he said and he would refute it? Is that why Clare didn't "need" to talk to him? She didn't want him to be able to deny it?

That's my thinking.

Since when have tptb given any of the contestants the option to not speak to the lead ? I found that extremely fishy 1

by Mommyof2 Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:14 pm

^ Yeah. IMO, TPTB set that one up real good.

by Isabel123 Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:25 pm

nd4reality wrote:
nonnie wrote:
Bashful wrote:Just wondering...when Juan Paul asked, "What did I say to Clare that I should regret?" He said he hadn't watched. Chris just told him he offended her by what he said in the helicopter. He didn't tell him exactly what he was supposed to have said. Is it because it isn't really what he said and he would refute it? Is that why Clare didn't "need" to talk to him? She didn't want him to be able to deny it?

That's my thinking.

Since when have tptb given any of the contestants the option to not speak to the lead ? I found that extremely fishy 1

I think this is the first time they did not allow F2 to confront the lead.

by 4health Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:27 pm

Isabel123 wrote:
nd4reality wrote:
nonnie wrote:
Bashful wrote:Just wondering...when Juan Paul asked, "What did I say to Clare that I should regret?" He said he hadn't watched. Chris just told him he offended her by what he said in the helicopter. He didn't tell him exactly what he was supposed to have said. Is it because it isn't really what he said and he would refute it? Is that why Clare didn't "need" to talk to him? She didn't want him to be able to deny it?

That's my thinking.

Since when have tptb given any of the contestants the option to not speak to the lead ? I found that extremely fishy 1

I think this is the first time they did not allow F2 to confront the lead.

I don't remember a F2 give a piece of their mind at the FRC either…..so if Clare was the first then no need to face the lead at the ATFR she had already confronted him

by Maggenzm Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:28 pm

pbmax wrote:
4health wrote:
pbmax wrote:
see2love wrote:She made a horrible comment abt him as a father. Uncalled for imh. He should have said worse

Right! she get's an applause for her unnecessary comments that's not called for but he gets crucified for his.

What is wrong with a women expressing her honest opinion uncalled for but JuanP honest opinion is okay…..He is a man first and then a father, not a father and then a man……I think the world forgets that….just because you are a father doesn't make you a good man.

My point was just as she can can speak her peace and it be okay then why can't he and it be okay.

I noticed a double standard here. People claps when she insults him, people booh when he says " I am glad, I didn't pick." Everyone has their flaw and good just like Juan, and they made him out of a monster. Jason and Molly have a very good podcast that explains all that. It's called EDITS.

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