Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Maggenzm]

Just wondering...when Juan Paul asked, "What did I say to Clare that I should regret?" He said he hadn't watched. Chris just told him he offended her by what he said in the helicopter. He didn't tell him exactly what he was supposed to have said. Is it because it isn't really what he said and he would refute it? Is that why Clare didn't "need" to talk to him? She didn't want him to be able to deny it?

That's my thinking.

Since when have tptb given any of the contestants the option to not speak to the lead ? I found that extremely fishy 1

Why not tell him to his face? yes, very fishy!!

[Aunties_Love]

pretty icky end to the show.

seems like all 3 of them lost.  4 if you count chris.  he kind of lost it on the after the rose.

then andi announced as the bachelorette.. pretty bad imo

ITA!  I watched both girls and cringed as they seemed to settle for so little in terms of care and concern from JP - I felt both compassion and annoyance for them.  Then some major grudge bearing between JP and Chris/the production team created an awful atmosphere after a fairly awful final episode.  We are all realistic enough (and have seen enough bach/ettes) to know that couples aren't always going to be matched via the show, but the aggression between CH and JP meant that JP wouldn't give an inch to CH and CH was determined to make him as uncomfortable in that stance as he could.  Not good hosting and not good to watch IMO.

   It was a cringeworthy show. I do agree with Chloep that JP was bratty but really so was CH. Obviously a lot of bad blood on both sides. Pretty sure some of that is due to him not getting DWTS. I feel for Nikki because she didn't get to just be happy. I hope she really takes the time before completely disrupting her life for him. He's so not a guy I'd want a relationship with but they could be a good match. It's just hard to tell right now.

Clare should use watching the show to see where she went wrong. It may help her in future relationships. She seemed to ignore any doubts she had about JP and also the fact that there were others on the show. If she worried about Nikki we didn't see it and judging by her blow up I think she didn't. Yes he did mislead her however anyone who's watched the show knows that happens to the f2 most seasons. She should have at least been aware of the possibility like Nikki was.

After this season I think Andi's will be a breath of fresh air. JP seemed to shut down at some point and it showed in the editing and his attitude after filming. He barely did interviews and it doesn't appear they're doing any now.

With regards to Clare, would like to add this.  I don't know if it was a matter of being led on that bothered her as much as what he said on their last date.  According to wetpaint and even a twitter pic on the official abc bachelor twitter page, the thing Juan told her in the heli is that he liked f***ing her.  Talk about disrespecting someone.  In the ATFR, she said that she did have a gutt feeling and doubts, but he talked himself out of that and she didn't act on it.  That is her regret so by the sounds of that comment, she did learn from her experience.

I don't care who says it or where it is printed, I do not believe he said this. I think he said something to the effect that he liked making out with her and she and/or TPTB made it into what is now being reported.

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!:    :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

Thanks Mura! I really thought it what was said but didn`t have the heart to go back and watch it right then.

[4health]

She made a horrible comment abt him as a father. Uncalled for imh. He should have said worse

Right! she get's an applause for her unnecessary comments that's not called for but he gets crucified for his.

What is wrong with a women expressing her honest opinion uncalled for but JuanP honest opinion is okay…..He is a man first and then a father, not a father and then a man……I think the world forgets that….just because you are a father doesn't make you a good man.

My point was just as she can can speak her peace and it be okay then why can't he and it be okay.

I noticed a double standard here. People claps when she insults him, people booh when he says " I am glad, I didn't pick." Everyone has their flaw and good just like Juan, and they made him out of a monster. Jason and Molly have a very good podcast that explains all that. It's called EDITS.

There are differing opinions out there for sure. The edit can only go so far….. but true colors or personalities come through the edit especially when you put everything together to reach your decision. JuanP was the lead, the individual that stated I hated hurting people, his comment "I am glad, I didn't pick her" was his way of deflecting the attention off of him. He wanted it to hurt and knew it was being recorded, because her words might have stung a just a little or he would have just said "it's okay".

[snoosnoo]

weird conspiracy theorists here.

to me it was clear that in helicopter incident did occur.

that was the whole basis of their discussion the night of their final date.

those of you that are trying so hard to convince yourself otherwise.. i'm shocked.

juan pablo watched the show backstage. if he wanted to refute anything, he would have. even now he hasn't denied it.

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[4health]

weird conspiracy theorists here.

to me it was clear that in helicopter incident did occur.

that was the whole basis of their discussion the night of their final date.

those of you that are trying so hard to convince yourself otherwise.. i'm shocked.

juan pablo watched the show backstage.  if he wanted to refute anything, he would have.  even now he hasn't denied it.

  

[Bashful]

weird conspiracy theorists here.

to me it was clear that in helicopter incident did occur.

that was the whole basis of their discussion the night of their final date.

those of you that are trying so hard to convince yourself otherwise.. i'm shocked.

juan pablo watched the show backstage.  if he wanted to refute anything, he would have.  even now he hasn't denied it.

He said he didn't watch it. Did he? I don't know.

[eirekay]

weird conspiracy theorists here.

to me it was clear that in helicopter incident did occur.

that was the whole basis of their discussion the night of their final date.

those of you that are trying so hard to convince yourself otherwise.. i'm shocked.

juan pablo watched the show backstage. if he wanted to refute anything, he would have. even now he hasn't denied it.

  I'm surprised this is even being questioned. Clare alluded to it pretty specifically in their LCD evening and said it directly after the FRC.

[Maggenzm]

weird conspiracy theorists here.

to me it was clear that in helicopter incident did occur.

that was the whole basis of their discussion the night of their final date.

those of you that are trying so hard to convince yourself otherwise.. i'm shocked.

juan pablo watched the show backstage.  if he wanted to refute anything, he would have.  even now he hasn't denied it.

He said he didn't watch it. Did he? I don't know.

He said he didn't watch it. There is a reason for everything they do. Des, Chris, Brooks didn't watch it the last episode. I think the reason they let her watch it was refresh the sting so she can blast him more, but she didn't it.

[JBF]

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!:    :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

Thanks Mura!  I really thought it what was said but didn`t have the heart to go back and watch it right then.

At least Nikki has him by the... um... well, he has to stay on his best behavior or else...
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At this point, I don't know what tabloid report to believe. Jillian and Ed stayed together for a year despite his Windy City frolics, which US Weekly took to the bank.

[notarose]

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!:    :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

Thanks Mura!  I really thought it what was said but didn`t have the heart to go back and watch it right then.

At least Nikki has him by the... um... well, he has to stay on his best behavior or else...
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At this point, I don't know what tabloid report to believe. Jillian and Ed stayed together for a year despite his Windy City frolics, which US Weekly took to the bank.

Or TPTB have him by the balls as well as Sean since they both were filmed in the shower. There may be a nude pic (screencap) but where it comes from seems more likely to be TPTB then Nikki. ( my assumption). It is so easy to have unnamed sources with no proof of the actual source. Politicians use this tactic all the time - plant the seed and watch it grow.

[Maggenzm]

well. i have watched it again.... it is actuallly true. came out from Clare's mouth to our ears. TWICE. first,.in Clare's VO at LCD she said he told her he loves hooking up with her (she was still being polite then). and then...dun...dun...dun...she couldnt hold back and spilled the bean after FRC rejection in her ITM "Dont tell me that you loved f***ing me'". Eeeek!!! (the editor didnt bother to edited that out, btw!!) :shocked!:    :shocked!:. Im now convinced he is a douchebag..in the same category as Jesse Palmer...LOL

Boy the other girls have dodged a major bullet. Hope Nikki will soon too!!

Thanks Mura!  I really thought it what was said but didn`t have the heart to go back and watch it right then.

At least Nikki has him by the... um... well, he has to stay on his best behavior or else...
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At this point, I don't know what tabloid report to believe. Jillian and Ed stayed together for a year despite his Windy City frolics, which US Weekly took to the bank.

JBF, I understand you don't like him for not picking your fave. But, some tabloid are not to be believed period. Why don't we give them a chance. I think we all need to chill and let these 3 (Juan, Nikki and Clare) move on with their lives.
Des got a good article and great exhortation for all of us.

"As for the happy couple, I do wish them all the best. Everyone will have their opinion, but in the end if Juan Pablo and Nikki are happy in their relationship and can look past the negativity that will surround them for a little while then that is ALL that matters. No one is to judge or make them feel bad for ‘loving’ or ‘really liking’ each other. Relationships are meant as a way to learn and grow with each other so I hope everyone who reads this can refrain from blasting negative remarks to Nikki & Juan Pablo and allow them the time to grow naturally.  To each its’ own.".

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