*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussions

Yeah... I was just snooping over at the motherboard (abc.com) and read about it. Also read a leak about WTA that Andi does a 180 turnaround with Juan on the show. Whether or not she's got the job, there seems to be an effort to make her more "lovable"... LOL! Needless-to-say, many posters over there are hardly "loving" her.

I for one am glad to see there is a balance with Andi. At first it seemed that everyone loved Andi for putting JP is his place....strong assertive woman....not really. I think she took advantage of a situation to get herself to be the next lead. JP was never that into her...she was not that into him. She just needed to find a way out (knowing full well that she was F3) to be the next 'bette. Looks like she got what she was looking for. I liked her in the beginning, not so much anymore.

Rolly wrote:I for one am glad to see there is a balance with Andi. At first it seemed that everyone loved Andi for putting JP is his place....strong assertive woman....not really.  I think she took advantage of a situation to get herself to be the next lead. JP was never that into her...she was not that into him. She just needed to find a way out (knowing full well that she was F3) to be the next 'bette. Looks like she got what she was looking for. I liked her in the beginning, not so much anymore.

Yea, I get that too Rolly. I think she may have a hard go of it for herself.

Aunties_Love wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Are you trying to say that Nikki knew exactly what Andi said to JP during the finale ?

NO, that's definately not what I was saying.  Just that Nikki does see what Andi posts on twitter, has watched that epi, doesn't like JP.  So if Nikki can see that and know's who Andi is, will that determine how/what she thinks of JP??

So what you are saying is that  she would have either spoken to her friend about JP and  been told what happened in St Lucia post-filming OR not been told but watched along with the rest of us last week.
Therefore she could not be F1 - something that possibly happened at the Finale over 4 months ago ?

Or are you saying she may have broken up with JP (if she is F1) possibly recently ?

nd4reality wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Are you trying to say that Nikki knew exactly what Andi said to JP during the finale ?

NO, that's definately not what I was saying.  Just that Nikki does see what Andi posts on twitter, has watched that epi, doesn't like JP.  So if Nikki can see that and know's who Andi is, will that determine how/what she thinks of JP??

So what you are saying is that  she would have either spoken to her friend about JP and  been told what happened in St Lucia post-filming OR not been told but watched along with the rest of us last week.
Therefore she could not be F1 - something that possibly happened at the Finale over 4 months ago ?

Or are you saying she may have broken up with JP (if she is F1) possibly recently ?

I honestly don't think Nikki was ever F1. I think that it is easy for her and Andi/Sharleen to associate as they all have the same point of view on JP. When you look at how biotchy she has been towards Clare even after the season ended on twitter, it makes sense that Nikki wasn't the F1 cause if she was, wouldn't she let by gones be bygones if she was with JP as she knows it meant nothing between him and Clare?

Also, if my haunches are right, Nikki isn't/hasn't been F1 and therefore was in the dark about the Vietnam ocean romp, therefore her bitterness is coming out again. Will pm you for more.

Aunties_Love wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Are you trying to say that Nikki knew exactly what Andi said to JP during the finale ?

NO, that's definately not what I was saying.  Just that Nikki does see what Andi posts on twitter, has watched that epi, doesn't like JP.  So if Nikki can see that and know's who Andi is, will that determine how/what she thinks of JP??

So what you are saying is that  she would have either spoken to her friend about JP and  been told what happened in St Lucia post-filming OR not been told but watched along with the rest of us last week.
Therefore she could not be F1 - something that possibly happened at the Finale over 4 months ago ?

Or are you saying she may have broken up with JP (if she is F1) possibly recently ?

I honestly don't think Nikki was ever F1.  I think that it is easy for her and Andi/Sharleen to associate as they all have the same point of view on JP.  When you look at how biotchy she has been towards Clare even after the season ended on twitter, it makes sense that Nikki wasn't the F1 cause if she was, wouldn't she let by gones be bygones if she was with JP as she knows it meant nothing between him and Clare?

Also, if my haunches are right, Nikki isn't/hasn't been F1 and therefore was in the dark about the Vietnam ocean romp, therefore her bitterness is coming out again.  Will pm you for more.

That was not what you were saying in the earlier posts where you said that Nikki cannot be F1 because she is so close to Andi but since I don't care to discuss this anymore perhaps you are correct.

nd4reality wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Are you trying to say that Nikki knew exactly what Andi said to JP during the finale ?

NO, that's definately not what I was saying.  Just that Nikki does see what Andi posts on twitter, has watched that epi, doesn't like JP.  So if Nikki can see that and know's who Andi is, will that determine how/what she thinks of JP??

So what you are saying is that  she would have either spoken to her friend about JP and  been told what happened in St Lucia post-filming OR not been told but watched along with the rest of us last week.
Therefore she could not be F1 - something that possibly happened at the Finale over 4 months ago ?

Or are you saying she may have broken up with JP (if she is F1) possibly recently ?

I honestly don't think Nikki was ever F1.  I think that it is easy for her and Andi/Sharleen to associate as they all have the same point of view on JP.  When you look at how biotchy she has been towards Clare even after the season ended on twitter, it makes sense that Nikki wasn't the F1 cause if she was, wouldn't she let by gones be bygones if she was with JP as she knows it meant nothing between him and Clare?

Also, if my haunches are right, Nikki isn't/hasn't been F1 and therefore was in the dark about the Vietnam ocean romp, therefore her bitterness is coming out again.  Will pm you for more.

That was not what you were saying in the earlier posts where you said that Nikki cannot be F1 because she is so close to Andi but since I don't care to discuss this anymore perhaps you are correct.

Ok, I did send you a pm.

So what doubts exactly did Clare have by FDs? With the exception of her 'doubt' over the FS with regard to Camila, everything she said during ITMs and PIs was positive.

Some examples (might not be her exact words):

This is the place I am going to get engaged to the man of my dreams.
It is finally time for my love story.
There was a lot of 'trust' talk, about how she trusted him from the moment she was blindfolded on her first 1 on 1.

Other comments:

I have definitely fallen in love with Juan Pablo.
I want to have babies with him
Juan Pablo is the "Man of my dreams"

Where's the doubt????

Mirzam wrote:So what doubts exactly did Clare have by FDs? With the exception of her 'doubt' over the FS with regard to Camila, everything she said during ITMs and PIs was positive.

Some examples (might not be her exact words):

This is the place I am going to get engaged to the man of my dreams.
It is finally time for my love story.
There was a lot of 'trust' talk, about how she trusted him from the moment she was blindfolded on her first 1 on 1.

Other comments:

I have definitely fallen in love with Juan Pablo.
I want to have babies with him
Juan Pablo is the "Man of my dreams"

Where's the doubt????

Some of the major doubts are the obstacles that she has had to go through to get to this point. Nikki has had none. There are some doubts said regarding to whether she will be the F1 though, also to the family meeting in MTP in St. Lucia preview. I think that Clare/JP have had to work through more, doubts in question, etc.

I also think in a small way this is being edited along Jake's season with regards to how the girls didn't like Clare to an extent because she is the one that had JP's attention..there are a lot of similiarities.

Also for me, the stats that have been kept as long as this franchise has been going point to Clare being F1.

I just love the last few weeks leading up to the finale. The boards turn into a tennis match.

Most folks have their fixed sides and the rest of us (less radical posters) are like spectators watching as each shot is taken. Spectators like me (who don't have a finger in any pie) watch each shot being taken and something clap and think "nice shot" then the opponent hits back with another equally good shot lol.

From where I stand it is even score and both teams are doing very well.  Keep it up guys.

nd4reality wrote:I just love the last few weeks leading up to the finale. The boards turn into a tennis match.

Most folks have their fixed sides and the rest of us (less radical posters) are like spectators watching as each shot is taken. Spectators like me (who don't have a finger in any pie) watch each shot being taken and something clap and think "nice shot" then the opponent hits back with another equally good shot lol.

From where I stand it is even score and both teams are doing very well.  Keep it up guys.

It's so much fun when it's like this. I wish RS would stop spoiling it. So we can sleuth things and debate them out.

pbmax wrote:

nd4reality wrote:I just love the last few weeks leading up to the finale. The boards turn into a tennis match.

Most folks have their fixed sides and the rest of us (less radical posters) are like spectators watching as each shot is taken. Spectators like me (who don't have a finger in any pie) watch each shot being taken and something clap and think "nice shot" then the opponent hits back with another equally good shot .

From where I stand it is even score and both teams are doing very well.  Keep it up guys.

It's so much fun when it's like this. I wish RS would stop spoiling it. So we can sleuth things and debate them out.

He gets the attention and so he does.

Thats why a bunch of us took great pains to stay over on this side and avoid googling the show and contestants to remain unspoiled. Unfortunately a few spoiled folks were arguing their cases out on this side and we got hints to what was going on because they were arguing against the spoiler. Which we should be discussing or referencing on this side anyway.  

Perhaps next season more people will be genuinely unspoiled and post - we can all have so much fun ! Particularly if the next B'ette season has the hot guys. If not I will probably not watch but come see what ya'll are chatting about.