Re: *No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Screencap discussions- thread #3

[Mommyof2]

I didn't watch Des' season.

[pbmax]

I see the HTD "distraction" very differently from you and Litta123. If Clare's HTD was intended to be a distraction they would not have shown it last and left the viewers with the final impression of her HTD fixed in their minds.

The impression that the AfterBuzz hosts (and probably many viewers) is that Laura made it an "awkward" date. Just because Litta and I are noticing the striking body language does not necessarily mean "All Of America" is. So it probably didn't matter when they showed it. As Auntie suggested, the F1s often get edited as either #3 or #4 anyway. (Roberto was one of the exceptions.)

To me, Juan Pablo clearly felt at ease with Clare's family...in spite of Laura (Lara?).

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One similarity between Clare/Juan and Nikki/Juan is the frequent looking-away in front of the cameras. You see this in four shots above.

In a way, this works in either favor since Nikki told Juan in Korea that "science" proves that girls who are attracted to their man look away. Of course, this may apply to Juan as equally as the ladies. We see HIM looking at Clare constantly as SHE looks away.

I think the reason Juan is almost always beside Clare in group situations (despite her habit of muscling in to that spot each time), is so that he isn't facing her directly. Again... this shot in Vietnam still has me amused. Is he rubbing his eyes because they bother him or is he trying to avoid all of the other "eyes" noticing his blushing?

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Obviously their relationship leaped forward in Vietnam (like Ash/JP in Hong Kong, Sean/Cath in Alberta, Des/Chris in Munich) to the point that her crying prompted loooooong sitdowns with additional It's OK's over and over and over. (One reason Andi got sick of It's OK was because there was a lot less emotion behind it when spoken to HER.)

In group dates without Clare, he is frequently sitting by Renee, probably because she was his emotional F2 (and had to be eliminated before things got serious in St. Lucia).

We also get more of these kinds of shots with Clare...

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... and more close-ups with Nikki (a.k.a. Juan/Sharleen... and Emily/Arie with either his brothers or Ryan Powers watching)

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Yes... I know there are the occasional far way shots with Nikki too... like the dark cave scene in Vietnam. (Quick! Grab that shot and post it immediately to Fight Fire With Fire! Ha ha!)

Yes, Nikki/Juan had a longer goodbye on her front porch than he had with Clare at the car -- but he had a make out sesh with her before she walked him to the car.

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I like shots #1 and #2 the best.

I guess we could include this abc.com "extra" into the debate: "I luv a massage. I wanted to fall asleep in a second. She's good."
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Also, the actual F1 gets their rose second at the FD stage, just like Clare did this time.  In the seasons since bach 8 and bachette 5 are Melissa in bach 13 and Jef in bachette 8.  All the rest have followed that rule no matter what order their FD came in.

I feel you can't count this season cause Nikki is always called first unless she has a rose already.

[JBF]

I must confess that I have gone through this dopey video six times in the last 20 minutes or so. I keep stopping at the moment Mister Niagara Falls hears "that's my life" (his favorite phrase "this is my life" delivered back to him) then the "absolutely falling in love with you" prompting more dribble in the eyes, followed by "start our future from here forward" getting the all-so-subtle nod. That boy can't hold in his expression like Poker Faced Brad Womack. (I guess Litta123 should be pestered again to make more... you know what... Ha ha! Better blow the images up BIG so we are certain of what we are seeing.)

[Muslady]

I must confess that I have gone through this dopey video six times in the last 20 minutes or so. I keep stopping at the moment Mister Niagara Falls hears "that's my life" (his favorite phrase "this is my life" delivered back to him) then the "absolutely falling in love with you" prompting more dribble in the eyes, followed by "start our future from here forward" getting the all-so-subtle nod. That boy can't hold in his expression like Poker Faced Brad Womack. (I guess Litta123 should be pestered again to make more... you know what... Ha ha! Better blow the images up BIG so we are certain  of what we are seeing.)

I agree! I guess Brad did hold the poker face a bit better but he sure did wiggle a lot!lol

[USAGold]

I must confess that I have gone through this dopey video six times in the last 20 minutes or so. I keep stopping at the moment Mister Niagara Falls hears "that's my life" (his favorite phrase "this is my life" delivered back to him) then the "absolutely falling in love with you" prompting more dribble in the eyes, followed by "start our future from here forward" getting the all-so-subtle nod. That boy can't hold in his expression like Poker Faced Brad Womack. (I guess Litta123 should be pestered again to make more... you know what... Ha ha! Better blow the images up BIG so we are certain  of what we are seeing.)

I keep thinking he'll pull a Mesnick !!

[pbmax]

Brad didn't have a poker face, he was so easy to read.

[Litta123]

I must confess that I have gone through this dopey video six times in the last 20 minutes or so. I keep stopping at the moment Mister Niagara Falls hears "that's my life" (his favorite phrase "this is my life" delivered back to him) then the "absolutely falling in love with you" prompting more dribble in the eyes, followed by "start our future from here forward" getting the all-so-subtle nod. That boy can't hold in his expression like Poker Faced Brad Womack. (I guess Litta123 should be pestered again to make more... you know what... Ha ha! Better blow the images up BIG so we are certain  of what we are seeing.)

You rang? These are probably obnoxiously big, but you asked for BIG.

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Now, perhaps Juan is tearing up because he knows he is going to be saying goodbye to Clare before it's all over -- you know how he cries when he says his goodbyes, right?   

In all seriousness, the clip never shows Juan's face when Nikki's video is running during her declaration of love...so, we really don't how Juan reacted to that. Just trying to be fair...

[jlccaz]

Watch the edit cuts, you can't tell what he is reacting to. Might be her or not. And he cries the most when he lets people go.

That convo with Harrison is so telling of how he must have driven them crazy with the dull and banal no depth commentary. Is he feeling any attachment other than guilt for hurting them one at a time?? I can't tell. I go back and forth.

[notarose]

Watch the edit cuts, you can't tell what he is reacting to. Might be her or not.  And he cries the most when he lets people go.  

That convo with Harrison is so telling of how he must have driven them crazy with the dull and banal no depth commentary.  Is he feeling any attachment other than guilt for hurting them one at a time??  I can't tell.  I go back and forth.

Their relationship changed
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[Guest]

*snipped* ha!

Now, perhaps Juan is tearing up because he knows he is going to be saying goodbye to Clare before it's all over -- you know how he cries when he says his goodbyes, right?   

In all seriousness, the clip never shows Juan's face when Nikki's video is running during her declaration of love...so, we really don't how Juan reacted to that. Just trying to be fair...

ITA with you Litta. i too see him checked out on Clare in the FD, a 180 degree turn than prior to HTD.. Its just weird..last time i get the same impression from what i saw was when Em checked out on Arie after visiting Jef`s ranch  ( i mean, have you seen Nikki`s house?  :shocked!:  )   :hidingchair . One must remember, Clare actually got the first date, as opposed to last on screen. In all seriousness, i am pleasantly surprised that JP came off to me not as a `tool` as the first time i thought he was.(thanks to RS! :Frown: ). I can picture him getting `alert` after Oceangate and Clare`s HTD on too much work required if he ends up with Clare then took his time to do a lot of thinking going to St.Lucia. Who knows... :greenman: 

so yeah, i too can see him getting teary eyes due to the possibility he has to say goodbye to the needy Ice Queen. (unless, they were messing around with us with the vid`s sequence.  .LOL)

as you and i dont have a horse in this race, i guess we still can celebrate regardless who the F1 is in the end, Litta!!----ezzz Okay!!   -- especially for your awesome works throughout the season!..  :27:    .  ... I am too happy these days to be bothered by this silly show.... my Prince is getting maried!..LOL. .(sorry OT...#cray2fansprobs.  ...)

[Aunties_Love]

I see the HTD "distraction" very differently from you and Litta123. If Clare's HTD was intended to be a distraction they would not have shown it last and left the viewers with the final impression of her HTD fixed in their minds.

The impression that the AfterBuzz hosts (and probably many viewers) is that Laura made it an "awkward" date. Just because Litta and I are noticing the striking body language does not necessarily mean "All Of America" is. So it probably didn't matter when they showed it. As Auntie suggested, the F1s often get edited as either #3 or #4 anyway. (Roberto was one of the exceptions.)

To me, Juan Pablo clearly felt at ease with Clare's family...in spite of Laura (Lara?).

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One similarity between Clare/Juan and Nikki/Juan is the frequent looking-away in front of the cameras. You see this in four shots above.

In a way, this works in either favor since Nikki told Juan in Korea that "science" proves that girls who are attracted to their man look away. Of course, this may apply to Juan as equally as the ladies. We see HIM looking at Clare constantly as SHE looks away.

I think the reason Juan is almost always beside Clare in group situations (despite her habit of muscling in to that spot each time), is so that he isn't facing her directly. Again... this shot in Vietnam still has me amused. Is he rubbing his eyes because they bother him or is he trying to avoid all of the other "eyes" noticing his blushing?

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Obviously their relationship leaped forward in Vietnam (like Ash/JP in Hong Kong, Sean/Cath in Alberta, Des/Chris in Munich) to the point that her crying prompted loooooong sitdowns with additional It's OK's over and over and over. (One reason Andi got sick of It's OK was because there was a lot less emotion behind it when spoken to HER.)

In group dates without Clare, he is frequently sitting by Renee, probably because she was his emotional F2 (and had to be eliminated before things got serious in St. Lucia).

We also get more of these kinds of shots with Clare...

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... and more close-ups with Nikki (a.k.a. Juan/Sharleen... and Emily/Arie with either his brothers or Ryan Powers watching)

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Yes... I know there are the occasional far way shots with Nikki too... like the dark cave scene in Vietnam. (Quick! Grab that shot and post it immediately to Fight Fire With Fire! Ha ha!)

Yes, Nikki/Juan had a longer goodbye on her front porch than he had with Clare at the car -- but he had a make out sesh with her before she walked him to the car.

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I like shots #1 and #2 the best.

I guess we could include this abc.com "extra" into the debate: "I luv a massage. I wanted to fall asleep in a second. She's good."
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Also, the actual F1 gets their rose second at the FD stage, just like Clare did this time.  In the seasons since bach 8 and bachette 5 are Melissa in bach 13 and Jef in bachette 8.  All the rest have followed that rule no matter what order their FD came in.

I feel you can't count this season cause Nikki is always called first unless she has a rose already.

If it is better for you not to count this season, what about all the others and the stats on it?? There are so many F1's roses called second than not. But I do count this season in as it just adds to the proof as far as I am concerned.

[JBF]

I must confess that I have gone through this dopey video six times in the last 20 minutes or so. I keep stopping at the moment Mister Niagara Falls hears "that's my life" (his favorite phrase "this is my life" delivered back to him) then the "absolutely falling in love with you" prompting more dribble in the eyes, followed by "start our future from here forward" getting the all-so-subtle nod. That boy can't hold in his expression like Poker Faced Brad Womack. (I guess Litta123 should be pestered again to make more... you know what... Ha ha! Better blow the images up BIG so we are certain  of what we are seeing.)

You rang? These are probably obnoxiously big, but you asked for BIG.

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Now, perhaps Juan is tearing up because he knows he is going to be saying goodbye to Clare before it's all over -- you know how he cries when he says his goodbyes, right?   

In all seriousness, the clip never shows Juan's face when Nikki's video is running during her declaration of love...so, we really don't how Juan reacted to that. Just trying to be fair...

Now... now. That's just... silly talk.

You know fully well that if Nikki is F1, we would have SEEN his reaction close-up. The editors are not THAT paranoid that they will Give-The-Ending-Away. After all, he said in people.com with Nikki "...my feelings for her are not there yet..." Are they there yet with The Princess? Allow The Debate to begin.

He probably cried in the fantasy suite when they were making the babies she wanted. I just wonder if she will look the same on ATFR as she did stepping out of the limo.

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