*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions

JBF wrote:They do like to show F1 and the lead have some sort of "obstacle" to overcome. If there isn’t one, they will manufacture one… either deliberately on the show to “instigate” or through the fine art of editing. (Last season, things were too smooth-sailing for F1, so they had to fix The Spoilers and edit Antigua Boo-hoo into the most catastrophic event in Bachelor/ette history. Only the birds and lizards in the trees know for certain if it was all staged for the cameras or not.)

The commercials preceding episode #3 suggested that Sharleen's kiss was somehow "awful", which I thought was strange. Then again, they did look very awkward. (She blamed all of the cameras around, closing in like they did when Arie was kissing Emily.)

In the premiere show, Sean made an issue about him not kissing in front of other ladies.

If Juan does have a final choice and production is struggling a little to keep them together, then this could be a sign that "she" was upset about his relationship with Sharleen in particular (even if mostly seen from a distance). Not sure how many contestants discussed Sharleen, but Andi and Nikki had equal reactions, while Clare went bonkers. This may also account for Sharleen saying she didn't "feel it" with Juan in episode #1, something Nikki noticed right away but others didn’t.

A few more puzzle pieces are falling into place. In episode #1, we didn't see his sit-down with Clare apart from the limited-speaking beginning of it (ditto Catherine and Chris in the last two seasons) but... intriguingly, three ladies were shown trying to observe from a distance. We also got one of the Laurens (dumped at first ceremony) having her emotional meltdown during this time. (All edited in, of course, since we don't know the actual "when" her emotional talks were held.) This all foreshadowed Clare observing Sharleen from a distance and over-reacting like some past F1s like JP and, from the small bits I've seen on youtube videos, Andy's Tessa. Victoria's booze-intoxicated meltdown in the bathroom last week could also be seen now as foreshadowing, right down to the repeating role of Renee playing the comforter.

Now... we can't determine who is F1 quite yet, although you can easily see where my head is going at this point. I really thought Nikki was the frontrunner, but her edit was balanced a little too perfectly with Andi this episode as some sort of ying/yang setup... as if their storylines resemble each other. (Both are doing quite a bit more narrating than most F1s.) One thing is for certain: Nikki and Andi are "calling the shots" and anything Juan does is irrelevant. They are alpha females who will not let "heartbreak" ruin them, although Nikki does discuss her fear of "being hurt" with Juan as some sort of foreshadowing. Nikki also told us in her bio intro that she doesn't just want a head-over-heels love for two weeks, so this will be the deciding factor as to whether she becomes Mrs. Galavis or not. Both have to be feeling "IT" two months after his "this limo is on fire" reaction on night #1.

With Cassandra and Chelsie, Juan was very cautious and protective, suggesting they could be frontrunners. Yet Cassandra already has the "excuse" of her son (explained by Renee on screen) with the prospect that Juan's decision to keep her or eliminate her resides in whether or not he is "certain" and will extend her and Renee's time away from their sons longer than necessary. Sooo... the two mommies will leave on stable terms. Chelsie's only "obstacle" right now is Elise accusing her for being a little girl who wants to play in Camila's sandbox. (Come to think of it, Juan was forcing both his daughter and Chelsie to eat stuff they were unsure of.)

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Litta123 wrote:Since we have caps of Nikki in St. Lucia, we know she is an important player in this season. But her story with Juan is emerging slooooowly. I don't think Juan and she have even kissed yet, have they? So, I keep going back to the conversation that Juan had with Sean in the opening episode. Sean spoke about Catherine not even being on his radar (not here to debate that) and for Juan to stay open. Was that foreshadowing for the season?

I'd like to know whether that exchange was filmed in order, meaning if the conversation actually took place before the season/filming began...or was it something filmed after, in order to help shape the season's storyline. Are we allowed to ask our SeanCat friends if they know where Sean was at the start of filming Juan's season? Did he make any trips to LA at that time? Since I know they keep pretty close tabs on Sean, they may be able to answer this question. Is that allowed?

It was filmed before the season started and the SeanCat sit-down with JuanPa was filmed after the first night so not out of order. They were in L.A. at that time and didn't return back to L.A. for wedding stuff until after filming had left for other locations.

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Rolly wrote:Quick question, if you are spoiled are you just supposed to read the "No Spoilers" threads but not comment? I have commented here but haven't said anything that would give spoiled info away. Feel like I'm  still new to all of this so just wanted to clarify..... :greenman: 

IMO commenting on the girls actions or for that matter discussing anything that has already been see onscreen in a past episode, in interviews, ChrisH / Lead blogs etc is allowed. Those are not spoilers. As long as you can keep things neutral. I believe the mods have even put non-spoiler guidelines in this section of the site.

Someone said that they are spoiled but read their posts multiple time to make sure their bias is left out of their postings.

However leading unspoiled folks by referencing contestants in a future situtation, dropping clues or even fangirling about the supposed F1 (like what tends to happen each season) should be  please avoided.
[Personally I am here because I hate the fangirling that takes place as soon as the F1 is spoiled   . I know those accused of doing this deny it   but often are the "usual" suspects  :P ].

Besides we learned last season (Des) and even in Brad 2.0 that the spoilers can be so wrong    so its better to watch and post unspoiled. IMO.

I hate the fangirling on the spoiled F1 too!

I have been picky about this because last season I was spoiled with Brooks by a post that was totally unintentional, but I just knew based on her post that it was Brooks. I was rooting for Chris and I did keep sleuthing in his thread, so it all worked out for that season, but I'm hoping that won't happen again.  On Sean's season, I was reading the ABC boards before the season even started and a poster spoiled Catherine on purpose in multiple threads.   

On another note.. I wrote this in the SC thread, but it might belong here... It's in reply to Litta's SCs of Clare's meltdowns.
Litta.. Clare was also the one most upset about JP kissing Sharleen while the rest of the girls were by the pool. She left and went to her room. I won't add the SC, but she was the one watching JP and Sharleen.
There is a VO in the previews that lands on Lucy. "She thinks he is her man" Even though it's on Lucy, I feel like that line is going to be about Clare. This is why I brought up her dating history. If she didn't have a boyfriend from age 22-31, it may explain some of her behavior. That should have been a period for a lot of emotional growth. While Nikki might have been a bit negative about Victoria, she tried to help her first, so I give her a pass there. I know I haven't seen much yet, but my impression of Nikki is that she has her act together, so I have a feeling her statement about Clare being "crazy" is going to be correct. Has the crazy girl ever been the F2? We've had crazy as F1- Courtney, Vienna. Can't recall when they've edited an F2 to be crazy.

If by crazy you mean clinging and jealous then yes Moana on Travis's season was that way. She was emotional and upset many times during that season and Travis had to cajole her often.

Everyone see's things differently, but tonight, I thought the one that acted more like Moana than anyone was Sharleen.  Trying to get his attention at all times, kissing him in front of the other women, etc.  Especially at the pool party.  Almost like she was looking to see who was paying attention before doing it.

We were actually talking about past F2s that have displayed (and had those edited into the show) those emotions/characteristics. We already have Clare as part of the F2 and therefore it is Clare we were talking about not Sharlene for whom we don't have SCs in St Lucia.

ETA : JBF - what do you think about the difference in his responses to Nikki about the question on  his fears and Chelsie ?

Maggenzm wrote:I really like Chelsie, she is my new fav.

DMBFan wrote:Not sure if this means anything, but Sharleen's Oct 30 performance has been removed from her performance schedule on her website.  So was she not there and it was updated to correctly show her performances or did TPTB made her remove it.   

Litta123 wrote:Since we have caps of Nikki in St. Lucia, we know she is an important player in this season. But her story with Juan is emerging slooooowly. I don't think Juan and she have even kissed yet, have they? So, I keep going back to the conversation that Juan had with Sean in the opening episode. Sean spoke about Catherine not even being on his radar (not here to debate that) and for Juan to stay open. Was that foreshadowing for the season?

nd4reality wrote:

Litta123 wrote:Since we have caps of Nikki in St. Lucia, we know she is an important player in this season. But her story with Juan is emerging slooooowly. I don't think Juan and she have even kissed yet, have they? So, I keep going back to the conversation that Juan had with Sean in the opening episode. Sean spoke about Catherine not even being on his radar (not here to debate that) and for Juan to stay open. Was that foreshadowing for the season?

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Which is exactly the problem I am having with Nikki's storyline. We have said this in past seasons and while the last few recent seasons i.e Des, Emily and  Seans season were the exceptions that produced F1s from late dates - if the lead is really interested in the contestant he/she will make an early date possible. If I'm not mistaken Ali said something similar in some interview.
Him giving Nikki a first 1on1 date in something like the 5th episode does not bode well for that relationship. Especially since he seemly appears extremely attracted to her. Not sure if he is just playing cat-and-mouse or what.

But if we follow the arguments that this board has had regarding the "late" first date (particularly Emily's season  :P ) then Nikki seems to have defaulted to St Lucia.