*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions

Jeepers wrote:Showing the romp in the ocean made perfect sense .. It had the effect in the next episode to put doubt front and center and some major conflict for Juan AND Clare .. Which .. According to the interview .. Still hasn't been resolved 100% .. It does put Clare in a negative light in some respects because she instigated it .. Secretively .. Creates a lot of doubt of her being able to be F1 seeing as Juan addressed it the next episode as being a mistake. . There has been more drama or self directed behavior Clare related in the first 6 episodes than for any other gal there .. Most other drama has come and gone quickly .. It is sooooo common for the edit to concentrate on 1 character initially .. And most of the time it is not the F1s part of the edit .. With a couple of exceptions

I see tons of signs of upsetting heartbreak in Clare's actions and behavior .. The tears already shed .. Her physical reaction when someone else is in her Juan space .. And the facial expressions she tends to use .. I see the very strong potential of the melt down .. As you refer to it .. Actually being hers .. As she looses grip on what she thought May/shôuld have been hers in the end

4health wrote:Per talking about watching bachelor seasons verse bachelorette seasons….

I keep thinking the same thing….but there are new editors to this show and it hasn't been like Andy's season for awhile.  Brad 2.0 Emily wasn't hidden……Ben Courtney wasn't hidden…….Sean Catherine really wasn't hidden but it did on their 1:1 and she wasn't hidden after that….

murasaki1393 wrote:dropping bomb#3.

THIS IS WHAT SET US APART FROM OTHERS

Ive taken notes that usually the F1 and the Lead got to do some of the `filler` VOs to emphasized that they have something very special, that set their relationship apart from the others.

I have found one in JuClare`s case. (Clare is the `hypothetical` F1 IMO) and bringing back one from last season`s Cinderella story. I am sure many past seasons also involving those spesific VO, but i`ll let others (maybe the edit guru?) to fill me in.

JPab-Clare`s Second 1-1 Date



3:35 Clare`s VO : That really does put Juan Pablo and i on a whole different level

*Chris-Des Madeira Second 1-1 date  (...similar much?)

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11:33:  Chris`s VO : I dont think anyone else has shared the same affection Des and I`ve shared


Note that in both vids the Theme Song was played for the second time respectively (Chres`s previously on epi.5 while JuClare`s on epi.2) and the VO was thrown in at the end of the segment. (Clare was at the end of night portion while Chris of daytime portion)

....more to come...  

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PS : TYSM Aunties!.  .for your hard work uploading the full season of the Cinderella fairy tale  :giggle:..I just knew that the other vids on YT playlist by MsEttenna1 are mostly deleted bc she closed her account. (Why oh why, YT??..  ). ..so your vids are the most reliable ones that we have   

George1218 wrote:

Litta123 wrote:Would one of you believers that Nikki is F1 being willing to layout specifically why you think so? I'm open minded to the position that Clare might not be F1, but as I've said before, Clare is the only one I feel like I, personally, can make a strong argument for. (Not because I want her to be...I really don't care.)

Maybe I haven't been listening, but I feel like I keep reading reason's why Clare can't be F1 as opposed to specific reasons why Nikki is. I'm completely open to some solid reasoning, but I think I've missed it if it's being posted. If it's already been written up (in the non-spoiler threads), can you tell me where? If it's in the spoiler threads, can someone copy it and PM it to me? TIA

I personally feel like Nikki if F1 because, to me, it seems like she is the one he has the most honest, real connection with.  I feel like she is being hidden a little regarding her connection with Juan Pablo and that there is alot more there than edit is showing us.  I think it is subtle but I think I see a very strong, genuine intellectual, physical and emotional connection with Nikki that I don't see him having with the others.  While there is no denying the physical connection between Clare and Juan Pablo I don't see the emotional and intellectual connection with her that I see with Nikki. I know that we are only seeing what TPTB want us to see but I really feel like I am seeing a real love story between these two.  Nikki seems like she really like Juan Pablo but it trying to hold her feelings in check and Juan Pablo seems like he is trying to reassure her in a lot of little, subtle ways.

Of course I am hopeless romantic at heart so I guess I could be reading too much into everything but I don't think so.

JBF wrote:

Mirzam wrote:JBF, when have the producers ever required the lead to be fair with their time?

Even that line is wishy washy. Like I joked before, do they use a stop watch?

Why isn't Juan even concerned about How The Time Was Spent?

You can also add the fact that Clare fussed about Nikki spending too much time with him in Korea as "foreshadowing".

Let's face it. Neither of us are going to get the answers we want out of this silly interview... or Juan's scenes with Clare in that pre-RC scene.

Mirzam wrote:The interview isn't going away because it is a big clue Clare isn't F1. JMO.

At least it is something that can be used as some sort of cannon fire, murky that it is.

Spoiler:

Jeepers wrote:

JBF wrote:
SOMETHING went down late in the season to required this peculiar "therapy" edit on screen that started with Victoria's scenes. If Nikki isn't the one who fell for Juan in the bubble and had some sort of meltdown when he rejected her, then somebody else did. If Nikki is F1, Clare? The point of showing them in the pool and ocean romp makes no sense if Clare wasn't F1 and was upset about being rejected. No sign in Andi/Sharleen/Chelsie/Renee's edits suggest they will be greatly heartbroken, but tons of signs in Nikki's edit.

Showing the romp in the ocean made perfect sense .. It had the effect in the next episode to put doubt front and center and some major conflict for Juan AND Clare .. Which .. According to the interview .. Still hasn't been resolved 100% .. It does put Clare in a negative light in some respects because she instigated it .. Secretively .. Creates a lot of doubt of her being able to be F1 seeing as Juan addressed it the next episode as being a mistake. . There has been more drama or self directed behavior Clare related in the first 6 episodes than for any other gal there .. Most other drama has come and gone quickly .. It is sooooo common for the edit to concentrate on 1 character initially .. And most of the time it is not the F1s part of the edit .. With a couple of exceptions

I see tons of signs of upsetting heartbreak in Clare's actions and behavior .. The tears already shed .. Her physical reaction when someone else is in her Juan space .. And the facial expressions she tends to use .. I see the very strong potential of the melt down .. As you refer to it .. Actually being hers .. As she looses grip on what she thought May/shôuld have been hers in the end

nd4reality wrote:

Jeepers wrote:

JBF wrote:
SOMETHING went down late in the season to required this peculiar "therapy" edit on screen that started with Victoria's scenes. If Nikki isn't the one who fell for Juan in the bubble and had some sort of meltdown when he rejected her, then somebody else did. If Nikki is F1, Clare? The point of showing them in the pool and ocean romp makes no sense if Clare wasn't F1 and was upset about being rejected. No sign in Andi/Sharleen/Chelsie/Renee's edits suggest they will be greatly heartbroken, but tons of signs in Nikki's edit.

Showing the romp in the ocean made perfect sense .. It had the effect in the next episode to put doubt front and center and some major conflict for Juan AND Clare .. Which .. According to the interview .. Still hasn't been resolved 100% .. It does put Clare in a negative light in some respects because she instigated it .. Secretively .. Creates a lot of doubt of her being able to be F1 seeing as Juan addressed it the next episode as being a mistake. . There has been more drama or self directed behavior Clare related in the first 6 episodes than for any other gal there .. Most other drama has come and gone quickly .. It is sooooo common for the edit to concentrate on 1 character initially .. And most of the time it is not the F1s part of the edit .. With a couple of exceptions

I see tons of signs of upsetting heartbreak in Clare's actions and behavior .. The tears already shed .. Her physical reaction when someone else is in her Juan space .. And the facial expressions she tends to use .. I see the very strong potential of the melt down .. As you refer to it .. Actually being hers .. As she looses grip on what she thought May/shôuld have been hers in the end

This. The potential meltdown.

ETA : I am leaning more towards a no pick. They have left in so much of negativity for the final 3 ladies that there is no one to root for. The last time they did this was for Brad 1.0 when Jenni though hot chemistry was looking to a dancing career and besides Brad realised that her heart wasn't in it (her ex still had it) and DeAnna was shown to be controlling, mean to some of the girls and slightly OCD.

relaxing wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

Jeepers wrote:

JBF wrote:
SOMETHING went down late in the season to required this peculiar "therapy" edit on screen that started with Victoria's scenes. If Nikki isn't the one who fell for Juan in the bubble and had some sort of meltdown when he rejected her, then somebody else did. If Nikki is F1, Clare? The point of showing them in the pool and ocean romp makes no sense if Clare wasn't F1 and was upset about being rejected. No sign in Andi/Sharleen/Chelsie/Renee's edits suggest they will be greatly heartbroken, but tons of signs in Nikki's edit.

Showing the romp in the ocean made perfect sense .. It had the effect in the next episode to put doubt front and center and some major conflict for Juan AND Clare .. Which .. According to the interview .. Still hasn't been resolved 100% .. It does put Clare in a negative light in some respects because she instigated it .. Secretively .. Creates a lot of doubt of her being able to be F1 seeing as Juan addressed it the next episode as being a mistake. . There has been more drama or self directed behavior Clare related in the first 6 episodes than for any other gal there .. Most other drama has come and gone quickly .. It is sooooo common for the edit to concentrate on 1 character initially .. And most of the time it is not the F1s part of the edit .. With a couple of exceptions

I see tons of signs of upsetting heartbreak in Clare's actions and behavior .. The tears already shed .. Her physical reaction when someone else is in her Juan space .. And the facial expressions she tends to use .. I see the very strong potential of the melt down .. As you refer to it .. Actually being hers .. As she looses grip on what she thought May/shôuld have been hers in the end

This. The potential meltdown.

ETA : I am leaning more towards a no pick. They have left in so much of negativity for the final 3 ladies that there is no one to root for. The last time they did this was for Brad 1.0 when Jenni though hot chemistry was looking to a dancing career and besides Brad realised that her heart wasn't in it (her ex still had it) and DeAnna was shown to be controlling, mean to some of the girls and slightly OCD.

That's what I hope happens at this point.  Come on Juan, they're both spoiled babies in their own ways.  Seems they want us to be cheering for nobody by the end.  It would explain why they're editing everyone to have a part in the nasty comments.  Why show Nikki in some very unlikeable moments in the same episode she meets Camilla and says she's falling in love with Juan Pablo? I find her and Clare on even footing in terms of turning off viewers with their edits but turning on Juan Pablo, although I think Clare is way more serious about him than Nikki is.  I just don't buy Nikki at all.