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Post by Catdwoman50 Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:17 pm

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i understand your point. I believe Clare`s mom is Mexican. so i wouldnt be surprise if she is fluent in spanish. I think Clare`s fam dynamics and JPab`s are well-suited.

Hmmm... I am not sure how I can put this politely, Juan Pablo comes from a very cultured, educated Venezuelan family, his father is a professor. Looking at Clare's sister, I'm not sure.......

Hmmm, thanks for that clarification Mirzam. IMHO it gives foundation to the type of woman JP is attracted to, he seems to be attracted to the "intelligent and career-oriented" woman. In my experience and studies I've read children of educated and cultured parents often value the same in the mates they choose. Of course, there's always an exception.


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Post by Guest Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:30 pm

I might be reading this wrong but are you guys trying to say Clare is not cultured and is from an uneducated Family? Is this because of the hairstylist thing?

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Post by Mirzam Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:38 pm

lexforlife wrote:I might be reading this wrong but are you guys  trying to say Clare is not cultured and is from an uneducated Family? Is this because of the hairstylist thing?

I was very careful not to say what you are implying. However, Clare had never swam in the ocean, doesn't appear to have traveled much, and isn't very adventurous when it comes to trying new foods.
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:11 pm

bringing over the disccussion on cap thread here....

JBF wrote:Hey, 4health... I'll be more specific here with The Storyline. If we get too carried away here, we can move this conversation to Editing. Yet I'll keep it simple.

I always look at the individual contestants for the overall storyline.

Renee is 32 and a mommy. Juan is 32 and a daddy. Renee wants him to view her as more than just a mommy. She had to battle just to get a kiss.

Andi is a career girl who is strictly about the "physical chemistry" with Juan. No mention of kids at all with her. Her storyline is all about "losing control". However, according to her daddy: "The person that is going to be good enough for my daughter is going to come to me and say there is no one else in the world for me."

In addition, the criminal prosecutor told Juan TWICE to his face that he is not a great dancer.

Sharleen is a career girl timid about children. She too got a "physical chemistry" edit, but she wants a cerebral relationship with more talking... and this is why she left. Most important to Juan: "I appreciate a lot her honesty." She is not trying to be somebody she's not.

Nikki is a nurse who works with babies. She meets Camilla first. She is confident she has the edge over Clare because she thinks Clare can't share a hotel room...oops!.. share Juan's love for Camilla. According to Juan, "Nikki's cute. She's a nurse and she takes care of kids. That to me is huge."

With Clare: A man that loves his daughter that much, I think, he can love me that much
Juan: "Love is very important to me. I want to have that person I can wake up every day with." In the Behind The Scenes show (Sunday before episode #2), he told Chris Harrison "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." Also "I can see myself with Clare having a good life with Camilla." (Of course, he may say the same with the others too, but Clare got that line in the very beginning... and Juan always "looks ahead and sees something good".)

The Obstacle: what are his "boundaries" regarding Camilla? This is The Problem with the Juan/Clare relationship.

great analysis, JBF, as usual..

i just need to add some tid-bits about Clare that you have mentioned . I found `very suspicious` VOs in her intro video



1: 48 : i am looking for man just that is just like my dad
2 :11: A man that loves his daughter that much, I think, he can love me that much (your quote, JBF)

The ifact that these lines were put in an INTRO video is quite weird, IMO. They got to put that lines in there for a `spesific` reason.
Now, i think i can comprehend whats JP implying in his line I see her and I see myself a lot on this show. that is a daddy-daughter relationship  :yes: .

TY for the lesson !!  giggling

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Post by JBF Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:16 pm

Go ahead and analyze Renee's, Andi's and Nikki's too. Interesting stuff said in theirs.
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Post by julychild Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:19 pm

murasaki1393 wrote:bringing over the disccussion on cap thread here....

JBF wrote:Hey, 4health... I'll be more specific here with The Storyline. If we get too carried away here, we can move this conversation to Editing. Yet I'll keep it simple.

I always look at the individual contestants for the overall storyline.

Renee is 32 and a mommy. Juan is 32 and a daddy. Renee wants him to view her as more than just a mommy. She had to battle just to get a kiss.

Andi is a career girl who is strictly about the "physical chemistry" with Juan. No mention of kids at all with her. Her storyline is all about "losing control". However, according to her daddy: "The person that is going to be good enough for my daughter is going to come to me and say there is no one else in the world for me."

In addition, the criminal prosecutor told Juan TWICE to his face that he is not a great dancer.

Sharleen is a career girl timid about children. She too got a "physical chemistry" edit, but she wants a cerebral relationship with more talking... and this is why she left. Most important to Juan: "I appreciate a lot her honesty." She is not trying to be somebody she's not.

Nikki is a nurse who works with babies. She meets Camilla first. She is confident she has the edge over Clare because she thinks Clare can't share a hotel room...oops!.. share Juan's love for Camilla. According to Juan, "Nikki's cute. She's a nurse and she takes care of kids. That to me is huge."

With Clare: "A man that loves his daughter that much, I think, he can love me that much"
Juan: "Love is very important to me. I want to have that person I can wake up every day with." In the Behind The Scenes show (Sunday before episode #2), he told Chris Harrison "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." Also "I can see myself with Clare having a good life with Camilla." (Of course, he may say the same with the others too, but Clare got that line in the very beginning... and Juan always "looks ahead and sees something good".)

The Obstacle: what are his "boundaries" regarding Camilla? This is The Problem with the Juan/Clare relationship.

great analysis, JBF, as usual..

i just need to add some tid-bits about Clare that you have mentioned . I found `very suspicious` VOs in her intro video



1: 48 : i am looking for man just that is just like my dad
2 :11: "A man that loves his daughter that much, I think, he can love me that much" (your quote, JBF)

The idea of putting these lines in an INTRO video is quite weird, IMO.They got to put that lines in there for a `spesific` reason.
Now, i think i can comprehend whats JP implying in his line  "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." ---that is a daddy-daughter relationship  :yes: .

TY for the lesson !!  giggling 

You love that you enjoy breaking down this show. I enjoy the sleuthing and speculations, too.  :yes: You should know that JP tweeted that he made this statement - "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." about Renee and not Clare. He explained that Renee hung in the back and didn't try to get his attention, on the first night, and that he was the same way on Des' season.

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:20 pm

JBF wrote:Go ahead and analyze Renee's, Andi's and Nikki's too. Interesting stuff said in theirs.

haa..i have had enough video dose today..i m dreading of getting an OD..LOL...stupid . Hugesmile

ETA. i finally gave up  duh  and watching back Nikki`s...geee....she came off to me as having prepared to be heart broken..LOL


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Post by Guest Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:25 pm

julychild wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:bringing over the disccussion on cap thread here....

JBF wrote:Hey, 4health... I'll be more specific here with The Storyline. If we get too carried away here, we can move this conversation to Editing. Yet I'll keep it simple.

I always look at the individual contestants for the overall storyline.

Renee is 32 and a mommy. Juan is 32 and a daddy. Renee wants him to view her as more than just a mommy. She had to battle just to get a kiss.

Andi is a career girl who is strictly about the "physical chemistry" with Juan. No mention of kids at all with her. Her storyline is all about "losing control". However, according to her daddy: "The person that is going to be good enough for my daughter is going to come to me and say there is no one else in the world for me."

In addition, the criminal prosecutor told Juan TWICE to his face that he is not a great dancer.

Sharleen is a career girl timid about children. She too got a "physical chemistry" edit, but she wants a cerebral relationship with more talking... and this is why she left. Most important to Juan: "I appreciate a lot her honesty." She is not trying to be somebody she's not.

Nikki is a nurse who works with babies. She meets Camilla first. She is confident she has the edge over Clare because she thinks Clare can't share a hotel room...oops!.. share Juan's love for Camilla. According to Juan, "Nikki's cute. She's a nurse and she takes care of kids. That to me is huge."

With Clare: "A man that loves his daughter that much, I think, he can love me that much"
Juan: "Love is very important to me. I want to have that person I can wake up every day with." In the Behind The Scenes show (Sunday before episode #2), he told Chris Harrison "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." Also "I can see myself with Clare having a good life with Camilla." (Of course, he may say the same with the others too, but Clare got that line in the very beginning... and Juan always "looks ahead and sees something good".)

The Obstacle: what are his "boundaries" regarding Camilla? This is The Problem with the Juan/Clare relationship.

great analysis, JBF, as usual..

i just need to add some tid-bits about Clare that you have mentioned . I found `very suspicious` VOs in her intro video



1: 48 : i am looking for man just that is just like my dad
2 :11: "A man that loves his daughter that much, I think, he can love me that much" (your quote, JBF)

The idea of putting these lines in an INTRO video is quite weird, IMO.They got to put that lines in there for a `spesific` reason.
Now, i think i can comprehend whats JP implying in his line  "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." ---that is a daddy-daughter relationship  :yes: .

TY for the lesson !!  giggling 

You love that you enjoy breaking down this show. I enjoy the sleuthing and speculations, too.  :yes: You should know that JP tweeted that he made this statement - "I see her and I see myself a lot on this show." about Renee and not Clare. He explained that Renee hung in the back and didn't try to get his attention, on the first night, and that he was the same way on Des' season.

TY for informing, JC!..Geee...so `my` theory above is still questionable...LOL... Hugesmile .
Gaaah...what a shocker!!...sooo they PURPOSELY put the original comment for Renee on Clare?... :shocked!: . WTG MF!!  duh 

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Post by Aunties_Love Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:41 pm

Mirzam wrote:
lexforlife wrote:I might be reading this wrong but are you guys  trying to say Clare is not cultured and is from an uneducated Family? Is this because of the hairstylist thing?

I was very careful not to say what you are implying. However, Clare had never swam in the ocean, doesn't appear to have traveled much, and isn't very adventurous when it comes to trying new foods.
Correction on the bolded. Clare said that she had never swam in a warm ocean. Of course she went swimming in the ocean where she lives...very different.


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Post by 4health Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:55 pm

Aunties_Love wrote:
Mirzam wrote:
lexforlife wrote:I might be reading this wrong but are you guys  trying to say Clare is not cultured and is from an uneducated Family? Is this because of the hairstylist thing?

I was very careful not to say what you are implying. However, Clare had never swam in the ocean, doesn't appear to have traveled much, and isn't very adventurous when it comes to trying new foods.
Correction on the bolded.  Clare said that she had never swam in a warm ocean.  Of course she went swimming in the ocean where she lives...very different.

Sacramento is inland California and going to the ocean for her is like 3 to 4 hours away, plus that is Bay area where the beaches as cold, cold and not tropical in anyway…beautiful but not a midnight swim kind of thing in Northern California.

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Post by Mirzam Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:56 pm

Aunties_Love wrote:
Correction on the bolded.  Clare said that she had never swam in a warm ocean.  Of course she went swimming in the ocean where she lives...very different.

Actually, this is what she said, so it is somewhat ambiguous:

"I never had the chance to swim in a warm ocean. I have dipped my feet in before. I have never got to swim in an ocean." So it is up for interpretation isn't it? Whatever, she is hardly 'mundo'.
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Post by Aunties_Love Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:05 pm

4health wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
Mirzam wrote:
lexforlife wrote:I might be reading this wrong but are you guys  trying to say Clare is not cultured and is from an uneducated Family? Is this because of the hairstylist thing?

I was very careful not to say what you are implying. However, Clare had never swam in the ocean, doesn't appear to have traveled much, and isn't very adventurous when it comes to trying new foods.
Correction on the bolded.  Clare said that she had never swam in a warm ocean.  Of course she went swimming in the ocean where she lives...very different.

Sacramento is inland California and going to the ocean for her is like 3 to 4 hours away, plus that is Bay area where the beaches as cold, cold and not tropical in anyway…beautiful but not a midnight swim kind of thing in Northern California.
Thanks, that's what I thought so I am sure she's been to the beach in cali but like you said, cold water compared to Vietnam where the water was like bathwater. Heck, I wouldn't mind having a midnight swim in a warm ocean like that....


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