Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

[Goldie2]

Agree BachFanNY-
So maybe her statement about " choosing what she needs over what she wants" is that she chooses No one.

What she "wanted" was Brooks, but she didn't get that so what she "needed " was to let the others go since she was not fully in love with them. What she " needs " at the end here is to take time to get over her heartbreak before she is ready to give her heart again to anyone.

[Piper61]

Most comments from viewers on wetpaint, us weekly and hollywoodlife are urging her to take Brooks back if he returns. Hollywoodlife did a whole article on how she shouldn't give up on Brooks. I don't think she will be seen as weak because I think he will be very persuasive. JMO

I agree. I think there are a lot less cynical people in the world as well.

[SouthernMomOf4]

Agree BachFanNY-
So maybe her statement about " choosing what she needs over what she wants" is that she chooses No one.

What she "wanted" was Brooks, but she didn't get that so what she "needed " was to let the others go since she was not fully in love with them. What she " needs " at the end here is to take time to get over her heartbreak before she is ready to give her heart again to anyone.

Now THAT would be realistic and a finale I could point to and say "Good going girl!".

[Goldie2]

I am posting Reality Steve's Spoiler on Episode 9 (airing July 22nd): Overnight dates (In Antigua, 3 down to 2).
He was way off on many things- WAY OFF.

His prediction is that she was into Brooks which we know- but he is way off about this episode and possibly the finale. No one was Eliminated, Brooks left, never stayed for date and never went to fantasy suite,and Zak wasn't even there.


No guys were eliminated early or anything like that, Desiree did use the fantasy suite with all three guys. As far as what went on, I have no idea. I guess once we watch the whole season we can see how things play out and you can play the game in your head of, “How many of the three did Desiree sleep with?” That’s always fun. I can tell you though at some point during her overnight with Zak, conversation did not go well. Not sure if this will be shown or not, but probably what led to him not getting a rose. Update: The Zak conversation either took place some other time, or not at all. Haven’t been able to follow up on that one, but it definitely didn’t take place in Antigua on the overnights because he never made it that far.

Rose Ceremony Elimination: Drew Kenney.

Episode 10 (airing July 29th): “Men Tell All”

Episode 11: (Final Rose Ceremony, Brooks vs Chris)

This was right when hometowns were starting and all I was hearing was “Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. She’s picking Brooks.” So I tweeted that out. Then in my next column on April 24th, is when I revealed that it was Brooks who my sources were telling me was the one she really liked and was going to pick him at the end. Almost like it was a no-brainer. I was skeptical though because last season I was told AshLee was Sean’s front runner when hometowns started, and we know how that turned out. So did Desiree have a change of heart? Did something happen at the end that made it go in a different direction? Or was what I was told a month ago accurate and it’s been known for a while she was gonna pick Brooks? I can tell you there was no trickery at the end, and she didn’t send anyone home early. Both guys showed up, she dumped one and got engaged to the other. Yep. The sources were right.

[BachfanNY]

Agree BachFanNY-
So maybe her statement about " choosing what she needs over what she wants" is that she chooses No one.

What she "wanted" was Brooks, but she didn't get that so what she "needed " was to let the others go since she was not fully in love with them. What she " needs " at the end here is to take time to get over her heartbreak before she is ready to give her heart again to anyone.

Definitely more plausible then her choosing Chris!

[BachfanNY]

I am posting Reality Steve's Spoiler on Episode 9 (airing July 22nd): Overnight dates (In Antigua, 3 down to 2).
He was way off on many things- WAY OFF.

His prediction is that she was into Brooks which we know- but he is way off about this episode and possibly the finale. No one was Eliminated, Brooks left, never stayed for date and never went to fantasy suite,and Zak wasn't even there.


No guys were eliminated early or anything like that, Desiree did use the fantasy suite with all three guys. As far as what went on, I have no idea. I guess once we watch the whole season we can see how things play out and you can play the game in your head of, “How many of the three did Desiree sleep with?” That’s always fun. I can tell you though at some point during her overnight with Zak, conversation did not go well. Not sure if this will be shown or not, but probably what led to him not getting a rose. Update: The Zak conversation either took place some other time, or not at all. Haven’t been able to follow up on that one, but it definitely didn’t take place in Antigua on the overnights because he never made it that far.

Rose Ceremony Elimination: Drew Kenney.

Episode 10 (airing July 29th): “Men Tell All”

Episode 11: (Final Rose Ceremony, Brooks vs Chris)

This was right when hometowns were starting and all I was hearing was “Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. She’s picking Brooks.” So I tweeted that out. Then in my next column on April 24th, is when I revealed that it was Brooks who my sources were telling me was the one she really liked and was going to pick him at the end. Almost like it was a no-brainer. I was skeptical though because last season I was told AshLee was Sean’s front runner when hometowns started, and we know how that turned out. So did Desiree have a change of heart? Did something happen at the end that made it go in a different direction? Or was what I was told a month ago accurate and it’s been known for a while she was gonna pick Brooks? I can tell you there was no trickery at the end, and she didn’t send anyone home early. Both guys showed up, she dumped one and got engaged to the other. Yep. The sources were right.

This may explain why Nate says RS is wrong. Wow, he was waaay off!

[Nativenewyorker]

For those who believe that Brooks returned and they got engaged, do you think they are still together?

According to that L & S article Desiree and the guy she accepted the engagement with are still together.

I don't think it's Brooks though.  I wish it were.

Am I the only one who think that the only proposal which could be done, whoever is the F1, would be a dating proposal instead of marriage proposal. ?

At least that would make a lot more sense than a proposal! I would think Des might want to take things slowly and cautiously if Brooks turns around and says he was wrong and he now wants her.

I don't know that I think it will be a dating proposal, but it is a possibility.

[MiaHawk]

I think Brooks gave his feelings a lot of thought prior to this week's FDs.  He knew he liked Des, enjoyed Des, loved certain qualities of Des, BUT he was not IN love with Des.  I give him credit for coming to that realization.  It is the same analysis that Des has been going through with each of her rejected men---they are great guys with great qualities on paper and in person, BUT "it" just is not there. She has to essentially break up with guys who are fantastic men, men who have not done anything wrong, who will make incredible husbands and fathers someday, simply because "it" is not there. It is a difficult thing to do, especially when the guy (or in this case, Des) does not see it coming.

I don't fault Brooks for dreading his conversation with Des.  I feel he wanted to let her down gently, see her move on to further pursue relationships with Drew and Chris, and get her happy ending because he thinks she is a great person. He wasn't expecting her to be shattered by his confession of not being in love with her. When he said it was the worst day of his life, I believe that was his guilt over making Des cry and breaking her heart.  He was the cause of her pain, and that was difficult to process.

When he said he missed her already, didn't want to leave her, and something to the effect that he wanted to say he loved her, I believe this was because he was putting a permanent end to a nice relationship with a great girl, he wanted to help ease her pain, and he wished he didn't have to put her through all of that.  It was gut-wrenching for him to have to see her in so much pain. All of his struggles and emotions are understandable up to this point.

If it had ended right here, I would argue with Kasha that Brooks does have a backbone, and I would wager a bag of fig newtons (or the snack of her choice) that an xray would prove that.  However, the buzz around this show leads us to believe that Brooks doesn't stand up straight and just walk away. The buzz suggests he returns due to an epiphany.  I don't believe an epiphany of this magnitude can occur in a few days.  

I believe he is still mired in guilt and shame for hurting a great girl so much, wanting to "make it all better" for her, that he convinces himself that the best thing to do is return, explain his confusion, ask her for more time together, and tell her that he missed her so much in the past few days that he now knows she is "the one".  He missed her so much because he just ended a relationship with a girl who is great on paper for him, somebody with whom he has great chemistry, somebody who never hurt or cheated on him, who he hasn't grown bored with yet. He cannot reconcile walking away from this relationship now that he knows he's hurt her so deeply and how much she does love him, BUT those are NOT good reasons to return.

IF he gave the relationship as much thought and analysis as he claims that he did when he came to the conclusion that he wasn't IN love with Des, what he spoke to his family and to CH about, then his returning is a huge mistake.  THIS would be the point in time in which his spine went from bone to spaghetti. He fell apart under the pressure and guilt of breaking Des' heart. He waffled after the fact. The fact that Des announced she was in love with him, should have no influence over whether or not he loves her. It just shouldn't. Mature adults fall in love and have unrequited love all of the time. They deal with it and move on. It is sophomoric for a grown man to suddenly feel IN love with a woman simply because SHE professed her love for him. THAT is the sort of thing that middle school romances are made of. It shouldn't have had a lick of influence over Brooks either being in love or not in love with Des. Know thyself. And this stands true even in this stupid, crazy Bach Bubble. Know thyself.

My personal guess is that Des spends the day following Brooks' breakup curled up in the fetal position. Then she walks around for a day or two with zombie eyes (the lights are on but nobody's home), possibly dismissing 1 or both of her men.  At this point TPTB instigate or allow Brooks to see her and speak to her, and he waffles and they come to the conclusion to give their relationship another chance.  Possibly with an exchange of a $75,000 Neil Lane ring as a symbol of their commitment to give it a whirl in the real world.  Relationships and proposals should be built upon rock (bone) and not sand (spaghetti). I know this is a show with a history of faked proposals, but I really don't want to see another one!

[Nativenewyorker]

I think part of the problem is that he has not been painted as a "bad guy" from the get-go. Not that he is bad at all - it took real guts to do what he did. Plenty of leads have even chosen someone just for the sake of the show and he hasn't played along.
But normally when someone exits we know the reason and they are setup to be the one to hurt and humiliate the lead. Not this time. This time, the guy who exited is the spoiled and beloved F1 who apparently had no signs of bailing (unless we count the sleuthed SC of BSG !).
It seems like that is the problem this season - the dumper of the lead is not the bad guy or rather not been painted as a bad guy (like Frank, Bentley etc. who we knew from the get-go they were going to dump the lead).
Its all perception.

I wasn't that surprised he bailed...I always questioned how much he liked her....I was more thinking if he did bail it would be after the show. I think one of the big reasons why people are surprised he bailed is simply because of the spoilers out there that he is F1.

Anyway what Brooks did was kinda like what Brad did in season 1....he just wasn't in love and was honest about it.

ITA. He should have just left earlier to give her a chance to fall in love with one of the other guys. Des is like Jillian used to be- love hurts, it's not supposed to be easy, blah blah blah. Always with the corollary that the "right" guy will cause chaos and destruction in your world and that's how you KNOW he's the right one for you.

No.

It's the opposite, people! The right one makes everything more right in your world than it ever was before his arrival. She probably thinks the other two aren't her type because her type is full of drama, heartache, tears, and a whole battery of teenage girl approved hysterics in general.

Yes, yes, yes!

Yes, yes, yes from me. too! A brilliant post that describes what real love is all about! Beautifully said! Nothing more to add!

[richmondrose]

I think Brooks gave his feelings a lot of thought prior to this week's FDs.  He knew he liked Des, enjoyed Des, loved certain qualities of Des, BUT he was not IN love with Des.  I give him credit for coming to that realization.  It is the same analysis that Des has been going through with each of her rejected men---they are great guys with great qualities on paper and in person, BUT "it" just is not there. She has to essentially break up with guys who are fantastic men, men who have not done anything wrong, who will make incredible husbands and fathers someday, simply because "it" is not there. It is a difficult thing to do, especially when the guy (or in this case, Des) does not see it coming.

I don't fault Brooks for dreading his conversation with Des.  I feel he wanted to let her down gently, see her move on to further pursue relationships with Drew and Chris, and get her happy ending because he thinks she is a great person. He wasn't expecting her to be shattered by his confession of not being in love with her. When he said it was the worst day of his life, I believe that was his guilt over making Des cry and breaking her heart.  He was the cause of her pain, and that was difficult to process.

When he said he missed her already, didn't want to leave her, and something to the effect that he wanted to say he loved her, I believe this was because he was putting a permanent end to a nice relationship with a great girl, he wanted to help ease her pain, and he wished he didn't have to put her through all of that.  It was gut-wrenching for him to have to see her in so much pain. All of his struggles and emotions are understandable up to this point.

If it had ended right here, I would argue with Kasha that Brooks does have a backbone, and I would wager a bag of fig newtons (or the snack of her choice) that an xray would prove that.  However, the buzz around this show leads us to believe that Brooks doesn't stand up straight and just walk away. The buzz suggests he returns due to an epiphany.  I don't believe an epiphany of this magnitude can occur in a few days.  

I believe he is still mired in guilt and shame for hurting a great girl so much, wanting to "make it all better" for her, that he convinces himself that the best thing to do is return, explain his confusion, ask her for more time together, and tell her that he missed her so much in the past few days that he now knows she is "the one".  He missed her so much because he just ended a relationship with a girl who is great on paper for him, somebody with whom he has great chemistry, somebody who never hurt or cheated on him, who he hasn't grown bored with yet. He cannot reconcile walking away from this relationship now that he knows he's hurt her so deeply and how much she does love him, BUT those are NOT good reasons to return.

IF he gave the relationship as much thought and analysis as he claims that he did when he came to the conclusion that he wasn't IN love with Des, what he spoke to his family and to CH about, then his returning is a huge mistake.  THIS would be the point in time in which his spine went from bone to spaghetti. He fell apart under the pressure and guilt of breaking Des' heart. He waffled after the fact. The fact that Des announced she was in love with him, should have no influence over whether or not he loves her.  It just shouldn't.  Mature adults fall in love and have unrequited love all of the time.  They deal with it and move on.  It is sophomoric for a grown man to suddenly feel IN love with a woman simply because SHE professed her love for him.  THAT is the sort of thing that middle school romances are made of.  It shouldn't have had a lick of influence over Brooks either being in love or not in love with Des.  Know thyself. And this stands true even in this stupid, crazy Bach Bubble.  Know thyself.

My personal guess is that Des spends the day following Brooks' breakup curled up in the fetal position. Then she walks around for a day or two with zombie eyes (the lights are on but nobody's home), possibly dismissing 1 or both of her men.  At this point TPTB instigate or allow Brooks to see her and speak to her, and he waffles and they come to the conclusion to give their relationship another chance.  Possibly with an exchange of a $75,000 Neil Lane ring as a symbol of their commitment to give it a whirl in the real world.  Relationships and proposals should be built upon rock (bone) and not sand (spaghetti). I know this is a show with a history of faked proposals, but I really don't want to see another one!

Glad you took the time to write this, Mia. Truly insightful!

[ImeldaMarcos]

I feel so bad for Brooks.

I do, too.  
It seems as he developed from embryo, fetus, baby and to grown adult his skeleton system never completely developed and solidified. He has failed to completely develop a spine! And now as full adult male it seems he has pasta spine syndrome! One of the main symptoms is being mealy mouthed and tends to wishy washiness, can be found primarily moving from job to job and living with family.

WOW!  I can understand that you don't like him but that is pretty low when you don't even know him.

My post has nothing to do with whether or not I like him. Rarely do I get that far with any of the cast, as you are right, I don't know them. I say rarely, as some I do get to know.
So to say I don't like him, is an incorrect interpretation, I don't care either way enough to like or dislike him as he and I do not have a relationship. My postings are a commentary on my opinion based on what I do know about him and see on my screen. I am not the first to call him wishy washy--CH did himself.
When you make the choice to put yourself out there--you are a target for all kinds of snark and opinions.
As far as being "low", believe me I have restrained myself this season on all fronts. I think I deserve kudos for behaving!!!  

 Yep, Kasha is back.  Even when I do not agree with your sentiment, you are always funny, witty and your opinions are rational and well stated. Glad to have ya snarking again.

Gee, wonder who Imelda could be.... 

And speaking of being snarky....... 

 I am me, in the shoe closet still hanging with this crazy show for some obscure reason. :cutesmile!: 

[SouthernMomOf4]

Coming to visit you in the shoe closet my bestie!

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