Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

[Pattycake92]

She didn't say she didn't know he spoke with his family. She said she was surprised at what he said to his family and Chris.

[skitts]

Was Brooks supposed to say 'I'm just not that into you' so don't give me a rose next time. If there were 'red flag's' she missed, why didn't CH point them out to her during their RC talks? Chris doesn't mind stepping up to the plate when a guy has a girlfriend back home and bringing it to the lead's attention. So funny how this show has lastest this long?   

[Cecilia]

Am a Brooks fan - but was wondering how does everyone rooting for Des and Brooks happy ending resolve what he said last night about " hoping she was into one of the other guys more" in his PO after telling her goodbye.
No guy in love,  even a confused guy, hopes his girl is in love with someone else.
I found that statement very telling.

I def saw a guy struggling not wanting to hurt her and feeling bad at how devastated she was .
But feeling bad you hurt someone should not be confused with being in love.

Brooks a decent guy. Breaking a girls heart never easy.
When he returns, i would really question if i were Des if it is more out of guilt for leaving than a real revelation of "love " at that point, especially after his talk with CH and his family where he admitted to not being in love with her.

I think Brooks fans have a lot of questions that we hope he will be answering on the show, but more importantly at ATFR and in post-show interviews. At least that's what this Brooks fan is expecting. I understand her taking him back, but I still think he has been spending the entire airing of the show trying to make it up to her, which can't be easy when you have to date in secret. Worried how there whole real life relationship will play out.

[bleuberry]

READ her blog. Des is saying in her blog that she was NOT aware of some things, and she mentions the Brooks' family talk until she saw it on TV. Obviously she writes these blogs AFTER she watches the episode. IF she's currently with him don't you think he'd tell her the entire story?

Are you guys getting annoyed by the TRUTH?

Are you kidding me? Why are you taking this show at face value?

[nannymargie]

The guy sat down and in a very straight forward well thought out way said he is not in love with Desiree.

If production convinces him to put a ring on it next week - I would give milk a longer shelf life.

I believe he likes and respects Desiree, but love it is not.  Brooks comes across as a man who thinks things through carefully before putting it out there so he must have really put thought into walking away like he did knowing it would be hurtful.

The whole season there has been red flag after red flag after red flag with this guy and yet since RS says he is F1 everyone wants to believe in a Cinderella happy ending.  Unfortunately real life is messy and you don't always get that happy ending.  Realistically speaking this situation looks a lot like a hot mess.

Production will not make Brooks propose to Des.  They may play mind games with him, since he is a thinker, but I don't think they will make him do something he does not want to do.  All Brooks needed to hear is I Love You from Des and all his concerns went out the window.  The man did not cry that much just because he hurt her.  He did not want to leave her and even turned around and stared at her sitting there.  IMO that just made the last of his walls around his heart fall.  Now he just needs to figure that his heart and his head are in alignment and how to get her to forgive him.

I know we all do not see things the same but I did not see that many red flags.  You see a hot mess, and I see a real life love story.  Who knows how Des and Brooks will be in real life.  But I know one thing and that is that both of them will give it their all to make it work.

As Des says, she gives it her all in a relationship and when Brooks falls in love he falls in love.

[Guest]

The guy sat down and in a very straight forward well thought out way said he is not in love with Desiree.

If production convinces him to put a ring on it next week - I would give milk a longer shelf life.

I believe he likes and respects Desiree, but love it is not.  Brooks comes across as a man who thinks things through carefully before putting it out there so he must have really put thought into walking away like he did knowing it would be hurtful.

The whole season there has been red flag after red flag after red flag with this guy and yet since RS says he is F1 everyone wants to believe in a Cinderella happy ending.  Unfortunately real life is messy and you don't always get that happy ending.  Realistically speaking this situation looks a lot like a hot mess.

They really didn't show many red flags at the start. Not until the Cloud 9 date.

I don't want the Cinderella happy ending and that's certainly not what she is getting right now, with Brooks. It'll be messy, like she says, and to me that's the romantic stuff.

I believe Brooks does think things out long and thoroughly and that's why, despite her best efforts at swaying him with her emotion and words, he stuck with his guns, even when he heard her say she loved him (which made him mad). He had still made up his mind to leave like the very stubborn person he seems to be. But that doesn't mean now, he won't think about it, with this new info sinking in.

She said she was "running" and that was equal to falling in love in their verb game. So he was very dense on that day, but a very deep thinker now? It just feels like justifying his behavior. Not saying you're wrong that he comes back, I'm just confused why he sometimes gets a pass.

[Piper61]

The guy sat down and in a very straight forward well thought out way said he is not in love with Desiree.

If production convinces him to put a ring on it next week - I would give milk a longer shelf life.

I believe he likes and respects Desiree, but love it is not.  Brooks comes across as a man who thinks things through carefully before putting it out there so he must have really put thought into walking away like he did knowing it would be hurtful.

The whole season there has been red flag after red flag after red flag with this guy and yet since RS says he is F1 everyone wants to believe in a Cinderella happy ending.  Unfortunately real life is messy and you don't always get that happy ending.  Realistically speaking this situation looks a lot like a hot mess.

Production will not make Brooks propose to Des.  They may play mind games with him, since he is a thinker, but I don't think they will make him do something he does not want to do.  All Brooks needed to hear is I Love You from Des and all his concerns went out the window.  The man did not cry that much just because he hurt her.  He did not want to leave her and even turned around and stared at her sitting there.  IMO that just made the last of his walls around his heart fall.  Now he just needs to figure that his heart and his head are in alignment and how to get her to forgive him.

I know we all do not see things the same but I did not see that many red flags.  You see a hot mess, and I see a real life love story.  Who knows how Des and Brooks will be in real life.  But I know one thing and that is that both of them will give it their all to make it work.

As Des says, she gives it her all in a relationship and when Brooks falls in love he falls in love.

   I'm looking forward to next Monday, I just wish it would hurry up and get here.

[Goldie2]

And then there's this which makes you doubt that she chose Chris or Drew

Stay tuned next week to find out what happens with Brooks, my broken heart and the remaining men. 

The remaining men?  Like they are an afterthought or something. 


And telling us they passed notes?  Not something you would do if you are currently in a relationship with Chris or Drew.

From our dates, notes passed and words spoken, he led me to believe that he was on board and wanted this to work out. 

This season clearly now all about Brooks and Des.
The other guys are just that - other guys to her.

" LED ME TO BELIEVE he wanted this to work out"
Does not sound good ..

" Better I found out in Antigua than later down the road "
Also not a positive sign ...

IF she were happy and with Brooks she would not be making these cryptic statements today.

[nannymargie]

Am a Brooks fan - but was wondering how does everyone rooting for Des and Brooks happy ending resolve what he said last night about " hoping she was into one of the other guys more" in his PO after telling her goodbye.
No guy in love,  even a confused guy, hopes his girl is in love with someone else.
I found that statement very telling.

I def saw a guy struggling not wanting to hurt her and feeling bad at how devastated she was .
But feeling bad you hurt someone should not be confused with being in love.

Brooks a decent guy. Breaking a girls heart never easy.
When he returns, i would really question if i were Des if it is more out of guilt for leaving than a real revelation of "love " at that point, especially after his talk with CH and his family where he admitted to not being in love with her.

I also think that saying he did not want to leave her and already missed what they shared also very telling.

[Nativenewyorker]

I think he'll say he's come to the realization he loves her and will propose.

I think he's known it all along and just couldn't admit to himself. He is chock-full of defense mechanisms.

See my avi. He's an onion, and once the layers are stripped by Des, his heart is gonna come tumbling out.

Heya ac!  I totally agree.  That man doesn't even know he's in love - despite his total breakdown!  That man is SO in love!  I wish I had recorded it in close caption because I could hardly understand their dialog.  I've always found Brooks hard to understand (his words), and tonight was worse than ever most of the time.  Des WILL get her happy ending.  There is no way she could pick Chris or Drew - she is totally in love with Brooks.  And because she's an honorable woman, I don't believe for a minute that she would do that to either of them!  

I have to admit that was a very draining and intense "date".  Chris Harrison was right FOR THE FIRST TIME - it was the most dramatic episode by far that we've ever had on this show.  

I am most sad for Drew because that man loved her with his soul, and I can see why he says "I don't get it!", totally stunned.  As for Chris, I think he knows Des would not be happy in Seattle, and that's a tie-breaker for him, though Des will take him to F2.  Sorry, Chris lovers, though he's a nice guy, he leaves me totally bored.  And I'm sorry that MF has overused the poetry stuff, once was nice but this has been way overboard even for romantic me.  Just my thoughts.

hp   

Watching Drew's and Chris' heartbreak next week will make me understand what Brooks wanted to avoid. He had no idea how Des felt. Some say it's better to have love and lost then to never have loved. Easy to say hard to live. Brooks might just be cautious that way. Who'd want to feel what Drew and Chris feel next week? Not me. Never do I want to feel that kind of rejection no matter the gamble. Also, NEVER do I want to be someone's second choice in one week. NEVER!

See I feel if he really did love Des (which he said he did not), he'd take the risk because she was worth it. I think he pulled out because he wasn't sure of his feelings but he wasn't willing to let it play out like CH suggested. I'd have been more impressed if he had.

albean,

That was what I found interesting regarding the bolded.  At one point CH did suggest that he might want to take this time with the FD to be with Des and talk to her and sort out his feelings. He just put it out there! Exactly what some of us have been saying here. Why not take this precious alone time to at least give it a chance?

Turning down that time was obviously not a choice everyone would have made, but there was an internal consistency to it. He said that things are great when they're together but that he doesn't feel the same when they're apart. By that way of thinking, he would have thought that more time together wouldn't have given him more clarity. (Of course, he might have been wrong, especially as surprised as he seemed when Des said that she loved him.)

Sorry, but I just do not agree. Even CH asked him that very thing, why not take the time on the FD to explore his feelings with Des and take the private time to talk to her and maybe figure out where they are? Des said to him that she was going to tell him that she loved him on their FD. So all Brooks had to do was give it chance. Otherwise, why didn't he bow out earlier? I don't see any consistency, internal or otherwise, in what Brooks did.

The other thing is that Des wrote in her blog posted today that she never knew about his conversation with his family. That was the first time she saw it. Also, she said that he never indicated to her in their time together that was he in any way conflicted about his feelings. She had no idea about this supposed internal struggle. She clearly indicated in her blog that she believed he led her to believe that he did care for her and that there were no deep seated conflicts. That's why she was so blindsided. Brooks didn't know that she really loved him all along. So why not give it a chance and spend some along time together if he had come this far? Otherwise, he should have gotten out of it sooner.

[Pattycake92]

I think breaking up was the hard part. If he comes back, it'll be because he's had a complete change of heart or a lightbulb moment. To me, it'd be easier to just go on home. Coming back and begging for a second chance isn't going to be easy by any means.

[BachfanNY]

And then there's this which makes you doubt that she chose Chris or Drew

Stay tuned next week to find out what happens with Brooks, my broken heart and the remaining men. 

The remaining men?  Like they are an afterthought or something. 


And telling us they passed notes?  Not something you would do if you are currently in a relationship with Chris or Drew.

From our dates, notes passed and words spoken, he led me to believe that he was on board and wanted this to work out. 

This season clearly now all about Brooks and Des.
The other guys are just that - other guys to her.

" LED ME TO BELIEVE he wanted this to work out"
Does not sound good ..

" Better I found out in Antigua than later down the road "
Also not a positive sign ...

IF she were happy and with Brooks she would not be making these cryptic statements today.

Yeah, those statements sound as if there was an amicable break up at some point.

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