Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

[atem]

I have always said that I'm waiting for a show where the Final 2 reject the lead.  Not that I want that for Desiree!  But, still.  This farce needs to end already.  I think it's stupid for the lead to be basically lying to people and making them think they are final 1 and made to do humiliating things.

I wish someone had the guts like Mario Lopez did to ask Desiree how the heck is it any different from what Brian did on the show to what she was doing.

[Kashathediva]

After the show Des moved to Santa Monica close to the beach and said she loved it there.  The question is then, will she make the move?   Away from her friends and her budding career. Would she mesh well with his family initially until she is able to make friends of her own.   Serious question, is Seattle a place for designers?

As for Siegfried, he'll give Hartsock an "ultimatum" over a significant issue that may "put a halt to their relationship."

"Chris has a major obstacle in his path that he feels he needs to bring up to Desiree before things go any further. His career path is not in Los Angeles, and he will need Desiree to relocate."

The Bachelorette's next broadcast will air Monday, July 29 at 8PM ET/PT.

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/abc-reveals-details-about-the-bachelorette-highly-dramatic-mysterious-conclusion-15078.php


Read more: http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Board=BachelorSpoilers&Number=19956903#ixzz2a5wd0qQU

Des is not a designer. She wants to be a designer and that is usually a long road. Seattle seems to be a great city to live in with lots of opportunities for mentorship and networking should her skills take her there. Hopefully, some good opportunities unfold for her after the show besides romance wherever life takes her.

[Aunties_Love]

The hero????  :puke:   What makes him a hero??  Is it the fact that he wasn't able to decide if he liked her enough unless he was talked into it by his mommy and sister??  Or is he a hero because he left, then decided that he would look bad and came back to stop Desiree from crying??  Or is he a hero because some of you think he is "totally hawt" and anything he does is amazing??

Decide whether you want reality or a manipulated and calculated love story.  The two are not commensurate.  If, indeed, you want the fake story that warms your heart for a minute or two, then I can be talked into agreeing with his "hero" description.  For a minute or two.

WOW!

LOL.
I don't see Brooks as a hero at ALL. In fact, he should have thought about the possibility of being put in the position for a proposal BEFORE he signed up for the show. To me, having an OOPsie  moment at f3-f1 when the lead is ready for a proposal is poor judgment, and lack of responsibility ( character flaw, FOR ME). I know that the other side of the coin is that it's a quick process on this show and he has every right to PONDER because an engagement is a huge decision. What I'm saying is that a solid person will think about how to saddle a horse to a cart before doing so, and not trying to stop the buggy while the horse is already pulling it. In other words, he should have been ready for a commitment BEFORE going on the show, like some of the men were(Zak). Instead he signed up for the fun of it, not thinking about the consequences. I'm glad he's not my DH....and good luck if Des took him back.
FYI- I like all 3 guys, but unless this whole thing is spun completely by MF, I'm not liking Brooks' behavior. I do know that he said some non-committal things during their cloud date, so there IS something wrong there. It cannot all be just mfg by MF.

Gotta agree with 2 things -

1. The words "Hero" and "TB" just don't belong in the same sentence.

Hero is a very loaded term, and should be reserved for people who actually are heroes.

2. If you are a skipper or even a jogger, you simply should not go on this show.  I know if I were on TB, I'd behave *exactly* like Brooks.  And thus, I'd never sign up in the first place.  

Unless I wanted to promote/expand my business or launch a singing career.  
Well, actually, the singing career thing hasn't worked out for anyone yet, so scratch that part.  ;)

Exactly. The hero reference is thrown around lightly. A hero to me is like a firefighter that enters a burning building to save children or a family from death. A hero is along those lines versus a silly television show that someone is on.

[iamreal2u]

After the show Des moved to Santa Monica close to the beach and said she loved it there.  The question is then, will she make the move?   Away from her friends and her budding career. Would she mesh well with his family initially until she is able to make friends of her own.   Serious question, is Seattle a place for designers?

As for Siegfried, he'll give Hartsock an "ultimatum" over a significant issue that may "put a halt to their relationship."

"Chris has a major obstacle in his path that he feels he needs to bring up to Desiree before things go any further. His career path is not in Los Angeles, and he will need Desiree to relocate."

The Bachelorette's next broadcast will air Monday, July 29 at 8PM ET/PT.

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/abc-reveals-details-about-the-bachelorette-highly-dramatic-mysterious-conclusion-15078.php


Read more: http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Board=BachelorSpoilers&Number=19956903#ixzz2a5wd0qQU

Des is not a designer. She wants to be a designer and that is usually a long road. Seattle seems to be a great city to live in with lots of opportunities for mentorship and networking should her skills take her there. Hopefully, some good opportunities unfold for her after the show besides romance wherever life takes her.

Thanks!

[Aunties_Love]

See, to me, it doesn't matter if he was conflicted during the show as long as he honors the engagement after the show. Some of the most sincere proposals weren't sincere at all because they were not honored or respected in the real world. JMO

  Great point.

   I think he will because he really took this process seriously.  Him backing away proved that until he found out he made a mistake and wants Des in  his life.

I don't think there's any reason to think that either Chris or Drew did not take this process seriously. It's interesting that the one person who is having the most trouble with his feelings, is now described as the one who is taking it all seriously.  I don't think Chris or Drew are faking it or just going through the motions. There's nothing wrong with them because they didn't have to agonize or struggle over their feelings.  They are no less worthy of Des because they didn't go through all this doubt and questioning.

Very true. It is amazing sometimes how someone's fave that just happens to be the spoiled F1 gets the "taking the process seriously" connotation, while the ones that show/express their love verbally to the leave get the "something's gotta be wrong with them for saying things so quickly". Seriously though, I think that there is more to this story than just Brooks having doubts and I think it might be major. Before you ask, I don't have proof, just a real gut feeling.

[latergator]

Finally what I want to say is that maybe we don't need to qualify the way these guys are handling themselves.  I believe that Chris and Drew are completely sincere in their professions of love for Des. The mere fact that they did not have to agonize, doubt and struggle to get there does not in and of itself, mean that their feelings are less worthy.

Nativenewyorker...in the same vein... because Drew and Chris did not have to agonize, doubt and struggle to profess their undying love does not mean that their feelings are more worthy than Brooks either.

on my soap/box::   

many assumptions are being made on all sides that are based on what we want to believe, how we think it should be, etc. Brooks has been hung out to dry for not committing to his relationship with Des, but as of yet we do not know any of the circumstance of the conflict or if it has anything to do with his relationship.  truthfully we have no idea of who storms out, when they storm out or even if they really do storm out. as a person who has been an avid sleuther in the past, we have been given much false information in the past, and I have no doubt we are getting it now... I have seen sc brought from other seasons and placed into the current one (not saying this is so now, but has happened in the past).  

support your favorites by all means, but not at the expense of the others.  if you can't get your point across without tearing down the other contestant, I doubt your opinion counts much in the big scheme of things.

[Aunties_Love]

Just to be clear, because I don't think I was, I'm in no saying anything bad about Brooks because I was being sarcastic when saying the "hero returns". That's just their theme, so I was being sarcastic about it. It's no comment, whatsoever, on anything Brooks does on this show.

Edit: And, to those who take occasion to belittle him for any reason, I don't think there's any occasion for it.

Who's theme is it that Brooks is the "hero"; yours or the producers?  I am asking so I understand where you are going with this.  Thanks!

[LoveDovez]

See, to me, it doesn't matter if he was conflicted during the show as long as he honors the engagement after the show. Some of the most sincere proposals weren't sincere at all because they were not honored or respected in the real world. JMO

  Great point.

   I think he will because he really took this process seriously.  Him backing away proved that until he found out he made a mistake and wants Des in  his life.

I don't think there's any reason to think that either Chris or Drew did not take this process seriously. It's interesting that the one person who is having the most trouble with his feelings, is now described as the one who is taking it all seriously.  I don't think Chris or Drew are faking it or just going through the motions. There's nothing wrong with them because they didn't have to agonize or struggle over their feelings.  They are no less worthy of Des because they didn't go through all this doubt and questioning.

I agree, I don't think they are taking it any less seriously, nor that they're not worthy of Des. Each person is entitled to handle themselves in the manner they choose. There's really nothing wrong with either way.  Personally, I do find how Brooks is handling it for himself refreshing as far as his thought process goes.  Has he overanalzed as Des has said he seems to do? Certainly could have.  But, at this time, I have no earthly idea what goes down in the upcoming 2-part finale, and because of that, don't feel I should think the worst of each bachelor themselves, but certainly can believe there could be manipulations of all parties by TPTB.  Feed the drama, feed the suspense, etc.

I appreciate your response. I guess what I am trying to say is that each of these guys has to go through this process in their own way. It's not as though one way is better than another. But I have been reading many comments to the effect that Brooks is being real, has integrity, refreshing as you said, honest, whatever.  So my question is does that mean that Chris or Drew are in any way not being real, lacking integrity or not refreshing? Why can't their reactions and feelings be just as real?

Some of us feel that Brooks holding back and having so many doubts does not portend well for a possible long term relationship with Des.  If it's this complicated and difficult in the beginning, then how will they survive the transition to real life? That transition has derailed most of these relationships in the past.  Some here believe that this is a pattern with Des that is now repeating itself yet again. She falls for the wrong guys, always does the chasing, etc.  

Finally what I want to say is that maybe we don't need to qualify the way these guys are handling themselves.  I believe that Chris and Drew are completely sincere in their professions of love for Des. The mere fact that they did not have to agonize, doubt and struggle to get there does not in and of itself, mean that their feelings are less worthy.

Native, for 2 days I have all but screamed what's in your post.. I finally gave up.. I know in my heart that Chris and Drew are fine men who took this as seriously as anybody has on this show and that's all that matters to me now... : )

[Aunties_Love]

See, to me, it doesn't matter if he was conflicted during the show as long as he honors the engagement after the show. Some of the most sincere proposals weren't sincere at all because they were not honored or respected in the real world. JMO

  Great point.

   I think he will because he really took this process seriously.  Him backing away proved that until he found out he made a mistake and wants Des in  his life.

I don't think there's any reason to think that either Chris or Drew did not take this process seriously. It's interesting that the one person who is having the most trouble with his feelings, is now described as the one who is taking it all seriously.  I don't think Chris or Drew are faking it or just going through the motions. There's nothing wrong with them because they didn't have to agonize or struggle over their feelings.  They are no less worthy of Des because they didn't go through all this doubt and questioning.

I agree, I don't think they are taking it any less seriously, nor that they're not worthy of Des. Each person is entitled to handle themselves in the manner they choose. There's really nothing wrong with either way.  Personally, I do find how Brooks is handling it for himself refreshing as far as his thought process goes.  Has he overanalzed as Des has said he seems to do? Certainly could have.  But, at this time, I have no earthly idea what goes down in the upcoming 2-part finale, and because of that, don't feel I should think the worst of each bachelor themselves, but certainly can believe there could be manipulations of all parties by TPTB.  Feed the drama, feed the suspense, etc.

I appreciate your response. I guess what I am trying to say is that each of these guys has to go through this process in their own way. It's not as though one way is better than another. But I have been reading many comments to the effect that Brooks is being real, has integrity, refreshing as you said, honest, whatever.  So my question is does that mean that Chris or Drew are in any way not being real, lacking integrity or not refreshing? Why can't their reactions and feelings be just as real?

Some of us feel that Brooks holding back and having so many doubts does not portend well for a possible long term relationship with Des.  If it's this complicated and difficult in the beginning, then how will they survive the transition to real life? That transition has derailed most of these relationships in the past.  Some here believe that this is a pattern with Des that is now repeating itself yet again. She falls for the wrong guys, always does the chasing, etc.  

Finally what I want to say is that maybe we don't need to qualify the way these guys are handling themselves.  I believe that Chris and Drew are completely sincere in their professions of love for Des. The mere fact that they did not have to agonize, doubt and struggle to get there does not in and of itself, mean that their feelings are less worthy.

Regarding the bolded, that is one of the reasons why she resolves her own conflict in this whole story and stops the chasing and falling for the wrong guy, and in the end, she chooses either Drew or Chris. That would be a major resolvement to her whole storyline of always falling for the wrong guy. The one that doesn't love her as much as she loves them.

[agentcurls]

Many are making assumptions that Brooks doesn't love Des.

Once he makes his declaration of love, she's going to know he really means it. And when he does, he won't be "the wrong guy"....Not that he ever was.

[Aunties_Love]

I may have missed a post or a few because I just don't recall seeing anyone call him a hero.  

Canyonvue did.

She was being sarcastic.

The thing is, it really didn't come off that way at all.

[nd4reality]

This franchise does not produce too many successes...the leads and contestants lose touch with reality and get caught up in the fantasy often times, and Pow! They are dunzo after the Bach bubble bursts.

I don't know why so many are viewing Brooks' slight hesitation as a bad thing when he is seemingly taking this process quite seriously and wants to make sure this is his "reality" and not the "fantasy" that the bubble can sometimes create?

Maybe his thoughtful process and analytical thinking can ultimately help produce a success for this couple post-show?!

I believe we are taking are cue from a sobbing Des who ended up putting his `taking-the-process-seriously` self into the back of a limo with red eyes.

For some Des fans on this board - that is sufficient evidence for any of us to question Brooks and his thoughtful and analytical thinking.

Besides - CH had to encourage him to even talk to Des so what should be said about that little piece of bravery and willingness to talk things out when `slight hesitations` make themselves evident.

Yup - not much. 

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