Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

[nd4reality]

Just some random thoughts:
What if what Brooks meant was: when he is with Des, he is with Des and things are great--and when he's not--well he's not. Like outta sight outta mind. Just a thought.
Another thought. Remember the spoiler we received that Zak was F3 and his FD goes south and he leaves? They have a disagreement and he goes?
WELL--what if we exchange the name Zak with Brooks?
We now know some of those initial spoilers were w r o n g. The final guys positioning has been anything, but correct from the initial spoilers. Drew as F4, F3 and now F2? Zak F3 now F4. Brooks almost always F1 from the opening credit now is a question.
It was so easy for the viewers to accept Zak having a bad FD and being history---maybe this was not Zak all along but Brooks? How would that have effected what the viewers' interpreted this season?
Yes, we see Des saying all those things she says. Kind of shame if they aren't true in the end. This has happened in seasons past only earlier in the season and the viewers pretty much did still buy the contrived fantasy romance in the end.  I mean no one bought De really loved Jesse. No one bought M and F were really going to be a couple. (said with great sarcasm and vomiting a small amount of my morning coffee). No one really thought M was going to be a Brad's barmaid in Austin. Most of us believed Jilly was going to wake up and smell the stale beer eventually.  And seriously, the only reason I had faith in Ash/JP is I "know" of this couple from various sources.

:cutesmile!: 

So what would you say it the prediction for this couple ?

[Jeepers]

Just some thoughts..... Me thinks that the initial spoiler about Des being sad and it is Chris and Drew at the end and Drew is F1 may be true in the eyes of that person .. BECAUSE that is what and all that they saw .. And no more .. They may not have seen or been aware of what went down with Brooks and et all after that at the very end .. And at that point in time .. Thus the MIS info at that point in time and change of the spoiler

MFs tweet about the guys may not be happy at the end would indicate Chris and Drew were upset about the final outcome and how things went down

 

[Hotmomma]

Or DES..all these ups n down..

[Mikesgirl83]

I'm normally just a lurker but here are my thoughts. I believe Brooks does "leave" but never actually leaves the island, he takes time to think things over.
I think Des tried to carry on with the other two guys and took them both to the FRC. Des probably had Chris come first and rejected him, at that point this source probably assumed that meant Drew was F1 and leaked that info, but then I suspect Des rejected Drew as well. Then Brooks comes back (like Reid) and Des accepts his proposal... hence the change in spoiler and why FOUR people are saying it's Brooks.

[cfck2222]

then this is one ugly and nasty show.

Yes it is, and there's plenty of evidence from prior seasons to support that regardless of how this season ends. Need we run down the list of what the show has done to lead on both its leads and its contestants? The lead is given false assurances about his/her non-F1s's sense of reality - the producers assure the lead that the non-F1s totally know they're playing along at this point and know they're only pretending to be in an escalating relationship because they know it's their ticket to being the next lead. Meanwhile the non-F1s (especially the F2/F3/F4) are encouraged by producers to believe that they are in fact F1, while the F1 is encouraged by producers to doubt the relationship with the lead. Everybody is messed with to maximize the potential drama.

As far as how this season does end, it's difficult for me to see a relationship emerging that isn't compromised in the audience's eyes, whatever the reality may be (and the reality appears to be that Desiree and her F1 are happy). If the F1 is Brooks, it's apparently after some meltdown that caused him to miss several late steps of the journey, despite being the frontrunner the whole season. If the F1 is Drew or Chris, the show has 2 episodes to present a credible relationship after 8 that presented the Desiree/Brooks relationship as Desiree's preferred romance and the one she wanted to lead to marriage.

One ugly and nasty show indeed.

[Kashathediva]

Just some random thoughts:
What if what Brooks meant was: when he is with Des, he is with Des and things are great--and when he's not--well he's not. Like outta sight outta mind. Just a thought.
Another thought. Remember the spoiler we received that Zak was F3 and his FD goes south and he leaves? They have a disagreement and he goes?
WELL--what if we exchange the name Zak with Brooks?
We now know some of those initial spoilers were w r o n g. The final guys positioning has been anything, but correct from the initial spoilers. Drew as F4, F3 and now F2? Zak F3 now F4. Brooks almost always F1 from the opening credit now is a question.
It was so easy for the viewers to accept Zak having a bad FD and being history---maybe this was not Zak all along but Brooks? How would that have effected what the viewers' interpreted this season?
Yes, we see Des saying all those things she says. Kind of shame if they aren't true in the end. This has happened in seasons past only earlier in the season and the viewers pretty much did still buy the contrived fantasy romance in the end.  I mean no one bought De really loved Jesse. No one bought M and F were really going to be a couple. (said with great sarcasm and vomiting a small amount of my morning coffee). No one really thought M was going to be a Brad's barmaid in Austin. Most of us believed Jilly was going to wake up and smell the stale beer eventually.  And seriously, the only reason I had faith in Ash/JP is I "know" of this couple from various sources.

:cutesmile!: 

So what would you say it the prediction for this couple ?

Their ability to make it work in real life--like any other real life couple.
Working(jobs), supporting each other(emotionally), compromise.
The same thing the other couples who have made it to the alter have said. Commitment.
When their 15 minutes and their contract with the franchise is over--is there anything left?

[mrsbatonmom]

Since Jill's season I refuse to pick a favorite....I was heartbroken when she picked Ed over Reid.  So I do read spoilers and watch the show with unspoiled friends but do not pick a favorite.  But having said that, I find it truly hard to believe that there is anyway for her to pick anyone but Brooks as final1 and it to be believable.  At this point in the "storyline" she has not once said she was falling in love with Drew (CMIIW).  She did say she could be falling for Chris but that is with prodding from Chris H.  In my opinion and the unspoiled viewers I watch this crazy show with, if she picks anyone other than Brooks it is by default.  I have a feeling we will be drinking a couple of extra glasses of wine the last few episodes.....because we are all about to take a ride on the Mike Fleiss roller coaster.

[Kashathediva]

then this is one ugly and nasty show.

Yes it is, and there's plenty of evidence from prior seasons to support that regardless of how this season ends. Need we run down the list of what the show has done to lead on both its leads and its contestants? The lead is given false assurances about his/her non-F1s's sense of reality - the producers assure the lead that the non-F1s totally know they're playing along at this point and know they're only pretending to be in an escalating relationship because they know it's their ticket to being the next lead. Meanwhile the non-F1s (especially the F2/F3/F4) are encouraged by producers to believe that they are in fact F1, while the F1 is encouraged by producers to doubt the relationship with the lead. Everybody is messed with to maximize the potential drama.

As far as how this season does end, it's difficult for me to see a relationship emerging that isn't compromised in the audience's eyes, whatever the reality may be (and the reality appears to be that Desiree and her F1 are happy). If the F1 is Brooks, it's apparently after some meltdown that caused him to miss several late steps of the journey, despite being the frontrunner the whole season. If the F1 is Drew or Chris, the show has 2 episodes to present a credible relationship after 8 that presented the Desiree/Brooks relationship as Desiree's preferred romance and the one she wanted to lead to marriage.

One ugly and nasty show indeed.

   

But then of course--it's all about the romance! :hearts love: 

[2observe]

Just some thoughts.....  Me thinks that the initial spoiler about Des being sad and it is Chris and Drew at the end and Drew is F1 may be true in the eyes of that person .. BECAUSE that is what and all that they saw .. And no more .. They may not have seen or been aware of what went down with Brooks and et all after that at the very end .. And at that point in time .. Thus the MIS info at that point in time and change of the spoiler

MFs tweet about the guys may not be happy at the end would indicate  Chris and Drew were upset about the final outcome and how things went down

 

His tweet also mention that Des wasn't too happy about the ending either. Wouldn't she be happy if Brooks returned and proposed???? My thoughts are that both Chris and Drew were told that Brooks had return on the day of the FRC and neither of them or Des were happy about it. jmo

[SueSt]

then this is one ugly and nasty show.

Yes it is, and there's plenty of evidence from prior seasons to support that regardless of how this season ends. Need we run down the list of what the show has done to lead on both its leads and its contestants? The lead is given false assurances about his/her non-F1s's sense of reality - the producers assure the lead that the non-F1s totally know they're playing along at this point and know they're only pretending to be in an escalating relationship because they know it's their ticket to being the next lead. Meanwhile the non-F1s (especially the F2/F3/F4) are encouraged by producers to believe that they are in fact F1, while the F1 is encouraged by producers to doubt the relationship with the lead. Everybody is messed with to maximize the potential drama.

As far as how this season does end, it's difficult for me to see a relationship emerging that isn't compromised in the audience's eyes, whatever the reality may be (and the reality appears to be that Desiree and her F1 are happy). If the F1 is Brooks, it's apparently after some meltdown that caused him to miss several late steps of the journey, despite being the frontrunner the whole season. If the F1 is Drew or Chris, the show has 2 episodes to present a credible relationship after 8 that presented the Desiree/Brooks relationship as Desiree's preferred romance and the one she wanted to lead to marriage.

One ugly and nasty show indeed.

Totally agree with you cfck2222, especially the bolded... Still, inspite of the producer-created caldron, there have been couples that have made it... and everyone of them have had to endure the backdraft of their decisions, the fact that they hurt others on the show, etc... but you're correct that whatever the outcome, that it's "compromised in the audience's eye" since at least some will disagree with the lead's choice.

[2observe]

I always try to remember that these people are much younger than I am. My life experience has taught me a lot, the hard way! So it's easy for me to see what is going on and the warning signs for Des and Brooks.   I absolutely agree that if it has to be that complicated and the guy bails and then comes back, it usually doesn't work out.  When it's that difficult and you have to work that hard and someone leaves and then comes back, it's just an indication that it was not meant to be. Now others may see it quite differently.  The other argument could be that if they can surmount these obstacles, then it will stand the test of time.  But given how quickly everything happens on this show and how difficult it is to really know each other in a compressed period of time, then I do think this kind of struggle is indicative of a relationship that won't make it in the long term.  

Native, ITA.  I'm also older and in younger days felt like the struggle proved that you had feelings for each other ... and it was worth fighting for.  But experience taught me that just the opposite is true.  Having been there, done that, I can now see that when it's right, there is no struggle; it's just easy.  No fear, no hesitation, just trust and love.

I agree. Life is hard enough on a day to day basis. When you used to take the vows it meant something--in sickness and health, for better or worse, for richer or poorer. You dealt with it. You worked it through.
Now it seems the attitude is hit the road Jack.

Amen to that.  There's too much that life puts in our path that is challenging.... Your relationship shouldn't be a challenge; rather it should be your safe place, a place of unconditional trust and love.  And in spite of that marriage is hard... but it can't end well... starting with conflict...

I'm really surprised that Brooks has problems being away from Des.  Didn't he know what he signed up for????  He knew that Des was going to date other guys and could have very strong feelings for other guys because the producers tell them all of that at the beginning.  So the fact that it's great when Des is with him and when she's not he falls apart shows signs of being insecure.  Both Chris and Drew have expressed to Des their feelings and they also know that Des is seeing other guys and can have deep feelings for them, but they are not jumping ship.  As I have stated several times before, it would have made more sense for Brooks to take the alone time in the Fantasy suite to talk about his feelings.  So to me, there's no excuse for Brooks leaving if he was truly in love with Des.  jmo

So true, 2observe.

:Smiley: 

[SueSt]

Just some thoughts.....  Me thinks that the initial spoiler about Des being sad and it is Chris and Drew at the end and Drew is F1 may be true in the eyes of that person .. BECAUSE that is what and all that they saw .. And no more .. They may not have seen or been aware of what went down with Brooks and et all after that at the very end .. And at that point in time .. Thus the MIS info at that point in time and change of the spoiler

MFs tweet about the guys may not be happy at the end would indicate  Chris and Drew were upset about the final outcome and how things went down

 

His tweet also mention that Des wasn't too happy about the ending either.  Wouldn't she be happy if Brooks returned and proposed????  My thoughts are that both Chris and Drew were told that Brooks had return on the day of the FRC and neither of them or Des were happy about it.  jmo

interesting...

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