Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Mar 9th & 10th Finale - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

bluwavz wrote:Sharleen's Flare recap: https://www.flare.com/bachelor/bachelor-episode-12-recap-peter-season-24-finale-2020/

If he had kept Fantasy-Suite-Ultimatum-gate to himself, especially since the rest of their relationship was so great, his mother wouldn’t have had the same motivation (or ammunition) to go into that first meeting on the offence like she did.

bluwavz wrote:Ratings:

The finale of season 24 of “The Bachelor” draw the ABC dating series’ largest audience in four years.

Just under 8.5 million viewers tuned in last night to see pilot Peter Weber make his final choice and take off into the sunset, well, sort of. The show scored a 2.4 rating among adults 18-49, matching the rating put up by last season’s finale.

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/the-bachelor-finale-4-year-high-tv-ratings-1203530130/

veg_out wrote:Last night, well, really the entire season, was hard to watch.

Most seasons don't wrap perfectly anymore, but few end on a note of genuine discord and heartbreak. I wish only love and joy to Peter and Madi if they decide to give their relationship a true chance or if they eventually cut their losses and move on. Hope that they find all the support in the world.  

Emeralds wrote:

bluwavz wrote:Ratings:

The finale of season 24 of “The Bachelor” draw the ABC dating series’ largest audience in four years.

Just under 8.5 million viewers tuned in last night to see pilot Peter Weber make his final choice and take off into the sunset, well, sort of. The show scored a 2.4 rating among adults 18-49, matching the rating put up by last season’s finale.

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/the-bachelor-finale-4-year-high-tv-ratings-1203530130/

This is why the exploitation and manufactured drama will only get worse.

LaineyG wrote:

veg_out wrote:Last night, well, really the entire season, was hard to watch.

Most seasons don't wrap perfectly anymore, but few end on a note of genuine discord and heartbreak. I wish only love and joy to Peter and Madi if they decide to give their relationship a true chance or if they eventually cut their losses and move on. Hope that they find all the support in the world.  

Well said!  I think Peter and Madi are prob resigned to keeping their relationship private right now and clinging to each other.  I bet they do have  family and their friends who are supporting them behind the scenes.  I am sure they received hundreds of phone calls and private messages last night. Hope they are surrounding themselves with only positivity and support from friends and family who truly love them and want the best for them.  Praying for them and wishing them the best.  

Chgohighlife wrote:

LadyisaDame wrote:Personally I think Barb sacrificed herself for her son.  Don't get me wrong, she's a Momma Bear and most likely will not/wasn't going to accept Madison regardless but there had to be a reason she went full-blown Kodiak .. what's the afterward buzz?  Are people tearing apart Peter for being such an indecisive Wet Willie or is all the attention on Barb and her actions and sympathy for Peter and Madison?  JMO

@LadyisaDame
You just deeply insulted Mama Bears everywhere. Barb is NOT a member of our club, believe me. She is a manipulative, classless, tacky, controller who is so self centered and self serving, she found the perfect stepford husband who allowed her to place the weight of a ridiculous onslaught of tears and histrionics on helpless little boys until they became stepford sons.

Those boys don’t even have careers of their own. If I remember correctly they are both pilots like their dad. Those so-called men are guilt-ridden, uber manipulated and pathetic - measuring their entire lives on the basis of what SHE wants and what will stem the tide of another tear filled hissy fit.
I did not see protective, motherly instincts. There are many wholesome, loving mother-son relationships we can all see, everyday. Fierce love of a son who has been encouraged and supported to become a man.  On my screen, I saw a woman who completely flipped her s**t because she felt her ironclad control of Peter slipping. IMO, she does not love him, she does not respect him and she does not care how he feels or what he wants. How dare he not bring home (to “us”) the girl most likely to worship HER. She could never have totally embarrassed and humiliated him for the entertainment of millions and to satisfy her own self-righteous ego if she truly loved him, IMO. I’m sure she thinks she loves him and there are those who support that notion. I disagree.

Seeing who and what Barb is explained Peter’s behavior all season, in technicolor. How he was impacted and manipulated by tears, tattling, lying and manipulation. How he failed to please anyone because he tried to say things and behave to please everyone, especially tptb. How even when Madi got up and left the table on their FD, or when she showed up at his house last week, he had to wait to measure his reactions. He never just ran to her or had a natural response. He’s stilted and uncertain, always.

Madi is going to take Barb’s finished masterpiece of submissive, yes man over 2500 miles away. The main reason they hate her, IMO. I don’t envy Madi the work she has ahead of her to help him grow back what Barb has kept in her purse all his life. Through faith and love and with the help of other strong men in her family and religious community, she may actually succeed in making Peter the man she needs and wants but even if she doesn’t and he gives up and goes back home, the light of the real world has been shone on Barbara and their whole family. Peter will not soon forget what it showed him about his mom (dad and brother, too). He loves her, loves them all I’m sure but, not even Barb can put that genie back in the bottle. She didn’t just tip her hand, she took off all her masks on Main Street/national tv. The more each one of them tries to justify their behavior, the more the dysfunction dances and entertains.

Shame on tptb for making Peter’s family his co-stars. What they thought was compelling drama was just So Very SAD. All IMO.

LaineyG wrote:

veg_out wrote:Last night, well, really the entire season, was hard to watch.

Most seasons don't wrap perfectly anymore, but few end on a note of genuine discord and heartbreak. I wish only love and joy to Peter and Madi if they decide to give their relationship a true chance or if they eventually cut their losses and move on. Hope that they find all the support in the world.  

Well said!  I think Peter and Madi are prob resigned to keeping their relationship private right now and clinging to each other.  I bet they do have  family and their friends who are supporting them behind the scenes.  I am sure they received hundreds of phone calls and private messages last night. Hope they are surrounding themselves with only positivity and support from friends and family who truly love them and want the best for them.  Praying for them and wishing them the best.  

HavaDrPepper wrote:Peter will never have a satisfactory relationship with any woman with the mother he has.  Even Hannah Ann wouldn't have survived her.  His brother won't either.  Wonder what his girlfriend thinks about all of this? Evidently she is on the "we love her" level right now but will that last?

IMO Kelley was there because mom requested it.  Mom has posted that she hopes to see Kelley in person while she is in LA.
The whole family follows Kelley on IG which makes me think they may actually know her.

IMO Madi is being thrown under the bus by CH and LZ because mom is very close to CH and others on the production team. CH has been to their house for dinner at least one has been documented on IG. We know she got buddy-buddy with producer Julie as well.  She has ingratiated herself into their world.  They knew what she would do last night and that is why we saw her in the box so often.  They aren't going to cross her because of what she would do to them. The woman has no boundaries at all.

I posted this in the general discussion thread but I will add it here since it does pertain to the episode and deals with Hannah Ann and her version of events as told to BHH:

As for Hannah Ann, I'm still not buying the story she is trying to sell.  According to reddit, those who have listened to the BHH podcast, said that Hannah Ann said they break up was in late January.  I still don't buy it.  That scar on his face would have had lots of time to heal between mid-November and late January. It still looked rather "fresh" in that breakup.  Case in point, look at photo on IG of him and Nick on February 12. Another case in point.. photo on IG dated 2/1.  Photo of his family on Jan 25 on IG. Then there is a video on his IG from 1/1.  None of these photos (which are not publication photos where makeup would be overly applied)  show a scar like the one in the break up video.
I will add that I do not know when the Jan 25th photo was taken but the others do appear to be rather close to the date they were posted.  The video was on NYE in NYC, so pretty much real time.

I see Peter and Madi getting the same backlash that Jason and Molly got after their season.  There are a lot of similarities even though Jason just made the wrong choice and sent Molly home.  Peter and Madi would be well served to talk with them privately.  I wouldn't doubt they would have some good advice for them.

And, again I say, it may not work out for them but how will they know if they don't try.  Better than having the "what if" thoughts in their minds the rest of their lives.

I just feel so sad for Peter and Madi.

IMO

Diana wrote:Just because someone doesn't bow down to someone being toxic and uncalled for that doesn't make them un-christian like IMO.

Madison showed a lot of class tonight again JMO