Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #3

Agent99 wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:Mikaela is a filler for what exactly?

A filler for the show, for Chris to take to the end, but IMO I don’t think he loves her or is in love with her. She is a nice girl who the viewers would warm to, but like Elise on Matty J’s show, she was never the one as he knew from night one who he wanted. Like Chris did IMO.
Mikaela has no story arc at all IMO.

Mikaela has had her own story arc completely different from Lynsdey's obstacle filled journey. Mokaela can't just make up obstacles out of thin air. They established very early that she was teased and bullied when she was younger and how that has made her who she is today. Now the whole thing with Chris not being able to open up with her has been there since their 1-1. I fail to see how one is a story arc and one is just filler. JMO.

I think the thing that keeps getting missed is that Bach can edits their series a bit different from the other franchises. With the bachcan franchise, the F1 is edited as having an obstacle that starts in epi 1 or 2 at the very latest. In this season, we were introduced to Lyndsey's obstacle of the age card in epi 2. In epi 1, she was given preference with her having a private chat with him with no one around. Epi 2-5 we see discussions intermittently about the age card. In epi 7/8 we are introduced to the distance card as well as the family card at htd.

With Mikaela, we were introduced in epi 4 to the obstacle of her expressing her feelings to him and feeling it's not taken as serious as he should....well by the end of epi 4 the obstacle was solved. She hasn't had any other. That isn't typical of a f1 but rather of a f2. The final 2's in the past have had an easy edit, no real conflict, no real in depth conversations. We were witness to that on the FD where Mikaela says that they never really talk. IMO, if he was that serious about her and wanted her as the F1, there would be more serious discussions than what they had.

IMO for how the past bach can seasons have gone, the one with the most trepidation and obstacles is the F1. IMO, this time it is Lyndsey.

@BlackHalo

Re: Mikaela story arc

But the bullying and teasing is about what she went through in the past not an obstacle, in the present that challenges her relationship with Chris . The only thing that they present late is that he doesn't open up and I'm sure that's true for both girls.

Whereas Lyndsey does have these obstacles that challenge the relationship hence the story arc.

MO

Aunties_Love wrote:I think the thing that keeps getting missed is that Bach can edits their series a bit different from the other franchises.  With the bachcan franchise, the F1 is edited as having an obstacle that starts in epi 1 or 2 at the very latest.  In this season, we were introduced to Lyndsey's obstacle of the age card in epi 2.  In epi 1, she was given preference with her having a private chat with him with no one around.  Epi 2-5 we see discussions intermittently about the age card.  In epi 7/8 we are introduced to the distance card as well as the family card at htd.  

With Mikaela, we were introduced in epi 4 to the obstacle of her expressing her feelings to him and feeling it's not taken as serious as he should....well by the end of epi 4 the obstacle was solved.  She hasn't had any other.  That isn't typical of a f1 but rather of a f2.  The final 2's in the past have had an easy edit, no real conflict, no real in depth conversations.  We were witness to that on the FD where Mikaela says that they never really talk.  IMO, if he was that serious about her and wanted her as the F1, there would be more serious discussions than what they had.

IMO for how the past bach can seasons have gone, the one with the most trepidation and obstacles is the F1.  IMO, this time it is Lyndsey.

IMO there can be no hard and fast rules regarding edits and obstacles or, anything typical or atypical for a series in its THIRD installment. That’s hardly long enough to base standards on. There have only been two complete shows. Not even enough for a sample, IMO. Secondly, we really don’t know the depth of discussions Chris has had with any of the girls so for all we know, he is just communication challenged like many other men are. Bottom line, I can’t wait for Wednesday to come and go so the bottom line can be reached because we won’t know anything for sure before then. JMO

My friend and her daughters watch all seasons of the Bach but don’t go on the boards or follow SM of the show .. (she’s my go to casual viewer every season )
This is her answer to me asking her who she thought Chris would choose (. I’ll have to retype as text was on phone and I’m on iPad.

“I’m thinking Lyndsey because to me that’s who you see him light up with, more chemistry with her, ( could be editing) prob on paper Mikaela is a better fit, she lives in Toronto and her family liked him etc Makes life easier. So I guess it will boil down to will he listen to his head or his heart, I even wonder if he will choose anyone!!! he is cold feet Chris!!

But my decision is if he goes with his heart it will be Lyndsey!!

The maturity that Lyndsey showed from day one has been shown throughout the show , I think she just let the relationship happen not once did I here her say anything that was forced she did take it slow in even declaring at first I could be falling for this guy , he seems like my type of guy, if you sent me home it would feel like a brake up , if you do chose me my heart is yours, and finally at hometown she took him to a very special place that meant a great deal to her and declared she was in love with him. To me I think she took it slow , seriously, very mature nothing forced , last bit , she says I was completely honest with him , but his doubts or words what ever was said made her understand where his brain was and perhaps she thought to be the last one standing with all that he said to her on the LCD , she may have said no thank you and said her goodbyes before the FR. all her personal IG, sm that she posted of coarse she was upset and sad that in the end she was lied to so yes she is going to post things that she feels. That's who she is loves to write, sing , and so she is taking a trip to Australia to have fun and move forward. All jmo

The maturity that Mikeala brought forward is herself to.she went in saying I'm going to give him a ring to chat with me first, why maybe she wanted to get to know him write off the bat , be noticed , make a statement totally cool that's who she is. Moving forward , she liked the guy of what she was seeing , I believe she began to realizing this guy can't communicate so I need to help him along so she did start conversations with him cause that's what she does communicate. I don't see anything wrong with that at all , so she did a lot of chatting with letting him know how she was feeling , they definitely had moments that you could say yup they too got a thing going on. There one on one was great I thought she was excited , he was all in with her and I do believe he did developed meaningful feelings for her, but then the ( I m falling in love with you) not that she did not mean it at all , BUT him on the other hand I think was not there yet with her so that through him off. Now she keeps asking him like the ( what, why , when ) questions and he says didn't want to ruin the moment with us. Ok she's not feeling like he is all in like she is all in. But as being Mikeala she continued going through this with cause she is invested now and gets that he can't communicate worth you no what. So she will help him not a bad thing cause that's what couples do help each other's weekiness bring out the best in other one. But she was doing that for him what in gods creation was he doing for her , but she moves forward anyways that's who she is. The snippets we see of her she knows that she needs to know where am I in this picture before the final rose. Again Mikeala asks him more questions but now about Lyndsey, he tells her whatever about something , she's upset because where her feelings and heart lay are not where Chris is at that moment still torn between to girls. But she is invested fell for the guy he told her that probably I love you in some sort of way. So she's waiting for the final rose. So let's say he picks her well in the real world MR Chris was not 100% all in with his heart so they brake up very shortly after cause she's not wasting time if his feelings are not there like she thought they might be. Cause I do believe she was all in

Mr Chris was invested in both girls but one more then the other , it was shown loud and clear and I guess one could argue about either girl, depending on your favourite or just who you think had better conversations, love connection etc. But Chris very apparent liked both girls for different reasons , both brought something out of him different. Mikeala brought I thought the communication out of him which I think that's where there bond started , he loved being around her of course that normal for any guy. They seemed to have all the bells and whistles as two people should have normal Lyndsey she brought out passion in him , the heart flutters , the love thing which again normal when to people love each other, communication was good they seem to talk a lot about life's obstacles that they would be challenging that's normal. Unfortunately Chris with his hard to communicate with one , obstacles with the other made one big mess at the end. I don't fault either girl I think there thoughts ,actions where genuine and true to who they where coming on the show both girls did good. Have nothing to say about either girl. But Chris I think did represent himself the best way that he could and did try , I don't think he went on there not to find love , I think he did just as he was getting more envolved as time went on I think he second guest everything couldn't control his emotions did not no how to separate those feelings and in the end did not make a good choice. Not that he really new how to hand both girls in the end instead I think he made a mess and that's why nothing worked out in the end for anyone. I think he's a cool guy, genuine , probably super nice guy. I'm sure if he was to do it again things would be a whole lot different ( like both eyes wide open , heart ready to love etc. )

So the consensus seems to be that Chris is single? Did he choose anyone at FRC? Did he and his chosen break up after FRC? Seems like the board has gone from thinking one girl or the other is F1 to thinking Chris is alone.

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

To me, this is a BIG clue. I don't think Chris and Mikaela are together and Mik has figured Chris out.
Most guys want to be a rock but Chris wasn't emotionally ready to be hers. Mik is confident and mature enough to be able to take a chance. Chris is not.

Norcalgal wrote:So the consensus seems to be that Chris is single? Did he choose anyone at FRC? Did he and his chosen break up after FRC? Seems like the board has gone from thinking one girl or the other is F1 to thinking Chris is alone.

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

The only way I think he’d not choose anybody ( or Mik) is if Lindsey leaves and doesn’t show up at FRC .... if Lindsey is there ....shes his F1


Planting my flag ..... cuz nothing else makes sense TO ME

tatladylu wrote:@BlackHalo

Re: Mikaela story arc

But the bullying and teasing is about what she went through in the past not an obstacle, in the present that challenges her relationship with Chris . The only thing that they present late is that he doesn't open up and I'm sure that's true for both girls.

Whereas Lyndsey does have these obstacles that challenge the relationship hence the story arc.

MO

Yes, this is true. On the show we don't have or see how the past events are bothering their current "relationship", therefore, IMO, it's not considered an obstacle. During this "relationship", there has been no obstacle introduced from the past or present that hasn't been resolved in one epi.

Chgohighlife wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:I think the thing that keeps getting missed is that Bach can edits their series a bit different from the other franchises.  With the bachcan franchise, the F1 is edited as having an obstacle that starts in epi 1 or 2 at the very latest.  In this season, we were introduced to Lyndsey's obstacle of the age card in epi 2.  In epi 1, she was given preference with her having a private chat with him with no one around.  Epi 2-5 we see discussions intermittently about the age card.  In epi 7/8 we are introduced to the distance card as well as the family card at htd.  

With Mikaela, we were introduced in epi 4 to the obstacle of her expressing her feelings to him and feeling it's not taken as serious as he should....well by the end of epi 4 the obstacle was solved.  She hasn't had any other.  That isn't typical of a f1 but rather of a f2.  The final 2's in the past have had an easy edit, no real conflict, no real in depth conversations.  We were witness to that on the FD where Mikaela says that they never really talk.  IMO, if he was that serious about her and wanted her as the F1, there would be more serious discussions than what they had.

IMO for how the past bach can seasons have gone, the one with the most trepidation and obstacles is the F1.  IMO, this time it is Lyndsey.

IMO there can be no hard and fast rules regarding edits and obstacles or, anything typical or atypical for a series in its THIRD installment. That’s hardly long enough to base standards on. There have only been two complete shows. Not even enough for a sample, IMO. Secondly, we really don’t know the depth of discussions Chris has had with any of the girls so for all we know, he is just communication challenged like many other men are. Bottom line, I can’t wait for Wednesday to come and go so the bottom line can be reached because we won’t know anything for sure before then. JMO

We have season 1 bachcan: Bianka and Brad's obstacle was trust. Bianka was cheated on numerous times in the past - brought in with epi 2, Brad's obstacle with Bianka was her not opening up. had alone time on night one away from the rest. she had her alone time 7th out of 9

Bachcan 2: April's obstacle is the process, pressure, not wanting to move at this fast pace brought in in epi 2 their alone time- Tim's obstacle with April - trust. Can he make her understand that what they are feeling is actually there and to just go with it. had alone time night 1 away from the rest one of the last to speak to Tim. she had her alone time 9 out of 10

Bette Can1: Kevin's obstacle is jealousy - can he stay the course introduced in epi 2 alone time on group date. Jasmine's obstacle with Kevin - he's the jock, is it game or real. they had alone time away from the rest on night 1. he had his alone time 7th out of 7

HERE COMES SEASON 4 IN THE FRANCHISE

Bachcan 3:

Lyndsey: her obstacle is that she goes for older guys and they don't work out. Chris obstacle with Lynds is the age card and the distance. Both introduced in epi 2 individual date. had alone time night 1 away from the rest - Lyndsey had her alone time 13th out of 13.

Mikaela: No obstacle from her. Chris obstacle is not opening up during epi 4 and giving attention to Mikaela when she told him she was falling for him. by the end of epi 4, it was solved. They had alone time but in sight and hearing of the other women.


So since this is the 4th installment of the Canadian franchise, I do see a clear cut path and edit pattern. The Canadian one seems to have a pattern that hasn't changed. IMO