Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #3

northernviewer wrote:I’ve been going that preview and I what really stands out is Mik saying she wants to confront Chris about his feeling s for Lindsey.   I commented about that yesterday and it seems no one else here thinks that significant

This is the big finale preview .... Linds get a bike ride... kisses and serious conversation....and she having doubts ... we see a PI where she has more doubts .... Mik says before her LCD that she wants to confront Chris about his feelings for Lindsey ... seems she’s not happy with his answer and walks away ... Chris may or may not follow her as we can’t tell where he’s going after that.   Then a VO that could have been recorded either right after Mik leaves or possibly day of FRC ... he says she’s angry but he can’t change what happened ...only one who’s angry is Mik, so its her he’s talking about ... my gut says that when Chris was asked how he felt about Lindsey ... he might have told her the honest truth ... that he loved her.  

Then in another VO he says he hopes its not to late ... I think he’s talking about Lindsey ... and he’s hoping she’ll even show up at FRC ... I also don’t thnk we’ll see Mik at FRC as I thnk she left on LCD.


OR

Lindsey doesn’t show up at FRC but MIk does and like RS says ... he chooses her but they break up soon after as neither of their hearts are in it.

I also have drawn the conclusion that Lindsey was way more emotionally invested in Chris than Mik was.   All season Linds has gotten emotional when talking about him, about it being last time she’d see him, in the orchard after meeting grampa etc.  Mik I find was more in bubble love with him .... and got over him real quick.   Lindsey on the other hand seems to still either be I love or feels hurt by it all.

You aren't alone with the bolded.  I mentioned this a few days ago and gave the scenario of what happened in season 1 where Brad went to talk with Whitney to break it off, he tried to talk and she shut him down and went into the bathroom and shut the door.  She was mad when he was trying to tell her that she wasn't his choice.  I see it as Chris being honest with Mik and telling her that it's Lynds that he wants and loves.  That is why we see Mikalea breaking down, and then leaving with Chris leaving shortly after.  IMO, Chris is also talking about Mik and how she's angry and he can't help that.  When he's talking about hoping it's not too late, IMO that is for Lynds.

As far as Mik goes, IMO she does leave after their chat and didn't arrive at the FRC site.


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Sprite wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

NV I think it's significant. I also think "confront" is a strong word versus "ask". The part where Mik asks if it's a joke is a VO & I'm not sure it belongs in that moment. However, I don't believe Chris answers her questions about Lyndsey in a way that reassures her & she gets upset. The preview doesn't confirm whether or not the rest of Mik's date even occurs.

In a podcast Mik states Lyndsey does something unexpected. This makes me think that whatever it is, it's Lyndsey's choice/decision. Given what we see in the preview of Lyndsey's doubts, my guess is she leaves on her own or perhaps even turns Chris down if he asks her to continue.

I think Cold Feet Chris is self-sabotaging at LCD's & maybe on purpose. If the preview is remotely accurate, he potentially gives both women a reason to leave. His comments about being angry & he can't change what happened could apply to either woman, but given the spoiler, might belong with Mik in an attempt to salvage something.

If the spoiler is true, that ring doesn't see the light of day at FRC, but for the sake of Michael Hill, made an appearance on the beach. The show's major sponsor needed air time & exposure so Chris had to pick out a ring & the SL's have to support it, even if his FRC intentions don't.

Ya I agree about the confront part, like I said yesterday ...that’s never a good idea.   Dont recall any other in the final 2 ever saying they wanted to confront the lead?? The only emotion displayed is anger and disbelief and not really hurt about it.  Didn’t know about Mik saying Lindsey did something unexpected ....could she have went to talk to Mik...they were good friends ...maybe they had a chat?  Wouldn’t that be a Bach first

I agree about the anger part.  This is what I got from Whit in season 1.  In this season, I see Chris trying to explain to Mik that he loves Lyndsey....whether he tells her right there and then that he's sending her home, I don't know but IMO, yea, I think she is sent home at that point.



@northernviewer I totally agree with your original quote. I have also felt that Lyndsay was way more into Chris the man, while Mik was more into Chris the Bachelor...if that makes sense to anyone other than myself.

As for the question in the second part, I don't either. I just found Mik saying that...at the end...very strange. At that point, there is only two left. Obviously the lead has strong feelings for the other person or they wouldn't be there. It's almost the end. What do you have to confront him about at this point? To me her behaviour was OTT and smacked of a staged audition for the next Bette. Look how dramatic I can make things for the producers and feel sorry for me for the fans.

I agree that her behaviour was OTT for sure.  IMO, I thought she was "auditioning" for the next lead be it USA or Canada, I just thought that she was never really that serious about Chris.

northernviewer wrote:

Sprite wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Ya I agree about the confront part, like I said yesterday ...that’s never a good idea.   Dont recall any other in the final 2 ever saying they wanted to confront the lead?? The only emotion displayed is anger and disbelief and not really hurt about it.  Didn’t know about Mik saying Lindsey did something unexpected ....could she have went to talk to Mik...they were good friends ...maybe they had a chat?  Wouldn’t that be a Bach first

@northernviewer I totally agree with your original quote. I have also felt that Lyndsay was way more into Chris the man, while Mik was more into Chris the Bachelor...if that makes sense to anyone other than myself.

As for the question in the second part, I don't either. I just found Mik saying that...at the end...very strange. At that point, there is only two left. Obviously the lead has strong feelings for the other person or they wouldn't be there. It's almost the end. What do you have to confront him about at this point? To me her behaviour was OTT and smacked of a staged audition for the next Bette. Look how dramatic I can make things for the producers and feel sorry for me for the fans.

Agree about Lyndsey being into the man but Mik into the Bach... ive been comparing this season to Jason’s ... Melissa and Molly, I said many times that season that Melissa wanted to win... she said and did all the right things to be F1 ... so Jason chose the cheerleader, who really had no interest in him as Jason the man and single father and within a month reality hit and he realized he made the wrong choice ... Molly was the one who cared for the man and father.  

If spoilers are correct... I can so see Chris ...and Mik having an ah-hah moment once they left the bubble and went their separate ways.  And like I said earlier, Lindsey is probably still feeling the emotion and probably th hurt. Her Instagram is still deep and emotional.. .. even melancholy ..

To me, Lyndsey was looking at this seriously.  She was there to find the guy and her future.  IMO, Mik was there to further her career.  She was the first to say about falling, then first to say that she loves him.  In the past, that has been the F2 edit.  IMO, Lyndsey and Chris have the love story and were taking this all very seriously

4health wrote:

HEA wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:

Agreed. He did this show to fill a void in his life after a failed baseball career. The timing was way too soon. JMO.

And if Mik is just auditioning to be the next ette, someone give her the golden globe. Nothing I have seen in her feelings for Chris comes across as "staged". We have no idea why she wants to confront Chris about Lyndsey. I look forward to finding out on Wednesday. JMO.

So agree. Plus we know for a fact that Canadian franchise do not tape bachelorette and bachelor in a row twice a year AND recycle the leads!!!

To assume mike is auditioning for next Etta is so stretchy and so ridiculous in my book. She was a blogger BEFORE the show and stilt is after. She also never hide it at meet and greet. She does her job and she does it well. I  so prefer a strong woman rather than a whiny girl..... but I will laugh SO hard if she is in a relationship now

Some great thoughts here ladies.  But, I can see Mikaela auditioning for the Etta and not acting but she sure knows what to say and how to say WHY?  Because IMO on the podcast she has admitted that she has watched every season since Trista.  She also is blogger and knows that other cast members have become bloggers etc about the bach franchise nation.  We can all most likely go on this show and know what to say and what not to say and also how to act.  She is a big fan of the show and I am sure even more so now.  She is friends with Vanessa and Vanessa is living in LA because she is working blogging or interviewing about this show.  So, IMO Mikaela knows what she is doing.    IMO

Mik has come across as calculated a lot this season.  She`s been caught in the drama circle more than once through this.  IMO, throughout the season, she used this as a platform to further her career.  IMO, the way she's gotten in with other bach alums and especially with Dean, IMO, she's gotten all she wanted out of it.

4health wrote:

HEA wrote:@4health good catch

But we know that they do not talk about one girl in same outfit.......  run to chance to get another one to continue talking with the other girl. This is why prods cut and paste when the see fit their scenario.

Could be sweet or rain.... it was very cloudy the last days.

I have no idea if he ran after mike or not. I thought I heard a bang of door... so Moby HE was angry about himself and upset..... he seems to have some regret at finale... hope it is not too let... I want to be a better

Jmo ma... I want to let her in..... this is not Lindsey related at all Mio. This is Mikael.

That is what makes the world go round is, a different point of view.   I do not want to assume anything.   But I bolded things that I have to say I respectfully disagree with @HEA I would love images to support your point of view then I might agree with you.   If it was raining IMO they wouldn't be outside.  But, we shall see.   I have stated if the spoiler is correct then something really terrible will have to happen like Lyndsey leaving on her own for me to believe it.  IMO

IMO, the way the preview is edited makes me think that you may be on your original track @4health.  I just don't see how with this edit, Mik could be the F1.  There are so many things in the edit that give me cause in that option.  With Lyndsey, there has been a love story theme around them since night one.

4health wrote:

HEA wrote:@4health good catch

But we know that they do not talk about one girl in same outfit.......  run to chance to get another one to continue talking with the other girl. This is why prods cut and paste when the see fit their scenario. The fact they decided to insert the segment at that time says so imo

Could be sweet or rain.... it was very cloudy the last days.

I have no idea if he ran after mike or not. I thought I heard a bang of door... so maybe HE was angry about himself and upset..... he seems to have some regret at finale... hope it is not too late... I want to be a better man..... I want to let her in

Jmo  this is not Lindsey related at all Mio. This is Mikaela

Jmo

Ps... sorry auto correct sucks

@HEA sorry to quote you again but I had another thought.  When I watch these teasers, or PI's during the episode I watch is actually being said.  I do not take what a VO is saying as truth to the image on my screen.  I have not seen Chris' ever on screen say that he has regretted anything.   I have not heard a VO state he regrets anything.   I am trying to write down all the VO comments in that teaser and find if it has been said during any time of the season.   VO's are very misleading and we see him with a ring and at the FRC spot so there is at least one girl showing up. IMO

Thanks so much @4health for transcribing the preview and outtakes via ITM's etc.  I too agree that one girl does show up at the FRC.

northernviewer wrote:@4health I also mentioned the other day that Linds also has a PI in the preview where she has on a black tshirts with peek a boo shoulders ...  haven’t seen her wear that top so far this season.   Only thing for Mik is that dress .. No PIs after we see her walking away.

IMO, if there was any chance that Mik stayed, we would be given an ITM in anything other than that dress.  We don't have one and IMO, the edit on this part is very similiar to Brad's season with how the F2 confronts or talks to the lead and then leaves without being at the FRC.

Pinkgirl wrote:I think what he tells Lyndsey is totally something about them too. What Chris tells Mikeala is about his feelings. So imo both girls are seen crying for different reasons , which I think that was played out throughout this season with him and the girls.  I remember him pulling her towards him on the stairs episode two I think. She replied in her PI sometimes that's all you need and you were not expecting it. So I think he was showing her that he was feeling what she was feeling. Also the fantasy suit. She said why wouldn't I take it to see if what I think we feel is just that , that they were on the same love story  

@Pinkgirl, IMO, the finale editing is about him, his feelings and the feelings he has for Lyndsey.  IMO, I have seen the love story with Lynds and Chris all season.  

4health wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

4health wrote:

@tatladylu on the podcast this is what she says "we are down to two, Lyndsey a great girl, nothing bad to say about her, but I think what you are going to see in the next couple weeks might be something you might not  expect, living together with everybody it was a big trip,

So, these comments were not saying Lyndsey did something or she did....also it could mean that from Mikaela perspective we will be surprised that she doesn't go to the FRC and let go.  Keywords for me in "next COUPLE weeks?"

It was me that posted about Lyndsey doing something unexpected. When I listened to the podcast I felt Mikaela was referencing Lyndsey doing something unexpected, but perhaps that's the wrong interpretation. When I see the quote in print, as you've transcribed it, I can see your point about the possibility of it not being Lyndsey specific.

My apologies if my interpretation has been misleading!

@jojo47 no worries...no harm....just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something.    It is kind of like the gossip game.  You start off with a whisper of a saying and it goes around the circle and by the time it gets back to you, the saying is just not even close to what was the original comment.   It seems like that here on the forum sometimes :shootme:

With the bolded, IMO, since it isn't normal, most would be surprised that Mik doesn't go to the FRC....if that's how it goes.  I do think that something out of the ordinary doesn't happen.  With how the preview is being edited, IMO, that could be a VERY likely scenario.

I hear you @4health about the gossip game.  

Sprite wrote:

HEA wrote:Mike was clear t say she does not want to be next bacherette and chances that canada tape a recycle AND be remembered in one year or so are quite nil imo

She can say it all she wants. Doesn't mean I believe her. She is a long time fan and a blogger. She knows what to say and how to say it. Plenty of leads have said before they became the lead that they didn't want to, they would have to seriously think about it, etc. And just because up to now the Canadian producers haven't recycled a lead, doesn't mean they won't start or that they haven't told her that that is what they are considering. IMO Particularly since she is a blogger and has followers...which have no doubt increased during her time on the show....she would know how to keep her name out there until the next season was to start.

So much of what Mik was about this season, being a part of the drama on more than one or several occasions, the "auditioning" that I found she was doing through the season, and just wanted to further her career than get the guy.  IMO, that's how she has come across to me.  Just because the Canadian one hasn't done re-do's before, doesn't mean that they won't start now....or doesn't mean that she won't be picked up by another franchise as in bette USA or other franchise option.  IMO, Mik started this as a thing to further her career.  Right from the start, with her giving him a "ring" and asking to promise to speak to her first, it's been a game and has been all season, IMO.  I honestly didn't see their connection as all that serious.  I did see some affection from him, but through the season, it's been her chasing him and not the other way around.  This season, it's been Chris chasing Lynds, IMO.

just a reminder... and that resume the love story I saw all season... W network itself are pro mikaela (I shared the recaps already)... The bachelor canada is also pro-mikaela on facebook and on twitter... their comments are anyway. this did not come out of nowhere... it started day 1 at meet and greet.

i listened what chris said and he said during fantasy to mikaela: I AM falling in love with you. I did not hear him saying that to Lindsey except the PI when he said I love her too. but i made my point to say we can love many things but being IN LOVE is different.

My issue is that VO are all the segments that prods are using to build their scenario and many viewers are falling into their trap. if we took the time to remove all those VO and just listen and put the PI to the right places... some people would have a different POV  IMO... This is why I love the no spoiled. I do not care much about the girls. I am starting to care when I see the potential F1 showing up because I wish to see a love story at the end of the finale. That is my fun. to see a love story. This season has been very frustrating on so many levels, including chris who could not make up his mind or more likely was too afraid to open up with mikaela and take a chance.

For me i did not see a love story with lindsey... i saw a difficult hardship boring bumpy whinny relationship with her. nothing was easy from beginning to end. geeez the only romantic i saw where the kissing but we know chris was not shy to kiss all the girls anyway. did he love lindsey? of course he did... but i fail to see the happy place 2 lovebirds should be when in luv.... i mean i felt that each episode brought a burden bigger than the previous. What worse could they edit? no love story there for me, that's for sure. Chris was in lalaland during the bubble time and had a wake up call at hometown. good for him that he realized that in a relationship concession and communication are the key words.

even one of the 3 major sponsors of the season decided to put chris and mikaela on their ads... for me this sceams F1

anyway... this is MY opinion

















I will ALWAYS remember this.... and this is why I never saw a love story with Lindsey...





and this is what the prod want us to believe... they wanted from day 1 push Lindsey upfront... and as per my experience of picking way too often the F2... i do recognize the signs of the F2 now... the first part was chris completely shared because he JUST spent one the BEST DAY of HIS LIFE with mikaela... and at rose ceremony, lindsey made her love declaration. This flip flopping started from that point forward IMO. Again it did not come out of the blue, but at hometown... that is when he knew, meet the parents confirmed his decision, fantasy also confirmed that he had sexual chemistry with mikaela and from that point the NO LONG DISTANCE relationship will be his excuse to eliminate Lindsey.

that is MY opinion again





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All I know is that I watched the show by myself and didn’t come to the board until just recently ... I hadn’t looked at any social media sites of contestants or BachCan ..... and I saw that he only had eyes for Lindsey despite his age concerns and she was very into him emotionally .....I saw all the rest as matter of time girls... had no clue who his F2 would even be although I did think it would be Catie as she had an intro video . The spoiler threw me for a loop .... I was shocked as that didn’t coincide with the edit from my point of view. So Mik may very well be last woman standing ....but IMO it won’t be because she was the one he fell in love with. An opinion is an opinion... and mine won’t be changed.

@HEA Are you a lawyer as you really know how to lay out the facts that support your case! Now, will you convince the jaded jury of this site? I don't know but if Chris is with anyone, it is with Mikaela. IMO

Although I've only caught bits and pieces of this season, I love that no one really knows what happens! The suspense and anticipation make me giddy - almost like waiting for Santa Claus!

northernviewer wrote:All I know is that I watched the show by myself and didn’t come to the board until just recently ... I hadn’t looked at any social media sites of contestants or BachCan ..... and I saw that he only had eyes for Lindsey despite his age concerns and she was very into him emotionally .....I saw all the rest as matter of time girls... had no clue who his F2 would even be although I did think it would be Catie as she had an intro video .   The spoiler threw me for a loop .... I was shocked as that didn’t coincide with the edit from my point of view.   So Mik may very well be last woman standing ....but IMO it won’t be because she was the one he fell in love with.   An opinion is an opinion... and mine won’t be changed.

I have to agree with NV that Lyndsey is who Chris wants. Doesn't mean he'll necessarily end up with her, but she's the one he wanted all along.

@northernviewer everyone see whatever they like. I am also sharing my opinion I was in the minority to believe Mikaela F1 so RS spoiler was definitely interesting and unexpected.

@Norcalgal no lawyer here, just addict to SC and edits and yes. wednesday is not soon enough to know if I am wrong again or if I am right eh?

jojo47 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:All I know is that I watched the show by myself and didn’t come to the board until just recently ... I hadn’t looked at any social media sites of contestants or BachCan ..... and I saw that he only had eyes for Lindsey despite his age concerns and she was very into him emotionally .....I saw all the rest as matter of time girls... had no clue who his F2 would even be although I did think it would be Catie as she had an intro video .   The spoiler threw me for a loop .... I was shocked as that didn’t coincide with the edit from my point of view.   So Mik may very well be last woman standing ....but IMO it won’t be because she was the one he fell in love with.   An opinion is an opinion... and mine won’t be changed.

I have to agree with NV that Lyndsey is who Chris wants. Doesn't mean he'll necessarily end up with her, but she's the one he wanted all along.

sure he wanted Lindsey or we would not hear mikaela talking about a flip flopper. But obviously he did not care ENOUGH to pick her. (if he picked mikaela) IMO

HEA wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:All I know is that I watched the show by myself and didn’t come to the board until just recently ... I hadn’t looked at any social media sites of contestants or BachCan ..... and I saw that he only had eyes for Lindsey despite his age concerns and she was very into him emotionally .....I saw all the rest as matter of time girls... had no clue who his F2 would even be although I did think it would be Catie as she had an intro video .   The spoiler threw me for a loop .... I was shocked as that didn’t coincide with the edit from my point of view.   So Mik may very well be last woman standing ....but IMO it won’t be because she was the one he fell in love with.   An opinion is an opinion... and mine won’t be changed.

I have to agree with NV that Lyndsey is who Chris wants. Doesn't mean he'll necessarily end up with her, but she's the one he wanted all along.

sure he wanted Lindsey or we would not hear mikaela talking about a flip flopper. But obviously he did not care ENOUGH to pick her. (if he picked mikaela) IMO

Maybe Lindsey wasn’t there to choose.....

ETA and maybe Mik found out that she was only one at FRC and realized she was second choice and broke with him .. . So many possibilities...

northernviewer wrote:

HEA wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

I have to agree with NV that Lyndsey is who Chris wants. Doesn't mean he'll necessarily end up with her, but she's the one he wanted all along.

sure he wanted Lindsey or we would not hear mikaela talking about a flip flopper. But obviously he did not care ENOUGH to pick her. (if he picked mikaela) IMO

Maybe Lindsey wasn’t there to choose.....

i hope she left on her own terms. I hate those F2 rejection to be honest. But the fancy makeup PI makes em believe otherwise. Looks to me an after or before finale PI.

northernviewer wrote:All I know is that I watched the show by myself and didn’t come to the board until just recently ... I hadn’t looked at any social media sites of contestants or BachCan ..... and I saw that he only had eyes for Lindsey despite his age concerns and she was very into him emotionally .....I saw all the rest as matter of time girls... had no clue who his F2 would even be although I did think it would be Catie as she had an intro video .   The spoiler threw me for a loop .... I was shocked as that didn’t coincide with the edit from my point of view.   So Mik may very well be last woman standing ....but IMO it won’t be because she was the one he fell in love with.   An opinion is an opinion... and mine won’t be changed.

Exactly...and I was unspoiled for most of the season as well. Based on past editing examples, I think Lyndsay is F1. Based on what I saw, she is F1. 

Of course, the spoiler could be correct, but in that case, I think something else went down to mess things up. I think this, not because I have a bias for one girl over the other.... I could care less....this is what I see. I am so over this season.

Norcalgal wrote:@HEA Are you a lawyer as you really know how to lay out the facts that support your case! Now, will you convince the jaded jury of this site? I don't know but if Chris is with anyone, it is with Mikaela. IMO

Although I've only caught bits and pieces of this season, I love that no one really knows what happens! The suspense and anticipation make me giddy - almost like waiting for Santa Claus!

Happy Sunday, I agree with you both. IMO It’s Mik for the win! Is she a business woman with other goals, too? Of course she is. That’s why she’s my fav. IMO Centered, focused, polished, accomplished- that is what I respect about Mikaela.
Follow Lyndsey’s Instagram. In love, out of love, pictures up, pictures down, travel here, travel there, going here, going where, broken heart, never moving away from the comfort of my family who healed me when I was broken/devastated by a man, oh except when I go to Australia. IMO, Things she says about her love for Chris, pale in comparison to stronger, more heartfelt declarations about her feelings for her girlfriend so, I’m not impressed with her great, I will love you and protect you from my family if you move here but I’m not moving to Toronto conditional “love” story. And whose fiancé needs you to have his back with your family? I can’t relate.

Nice girl. Beautiful girl. Drama freakin’ Queen. Read her captions. No edited narrative there. Just her images and messages to the world.

Chris is just not stupid enough to even try to build a real life cross country with Lyndsey, IMO. CHRIS is the only one who could convince me otherwise. I await Wednesday and hope @Sprite will deliver the final, ultimate, objective report of what is seen on the screen, for sure. JMO

Chgohighlife wrote:

Norcalgal wrote:@HEA Are you a lawyer as you really know how to lay out the facts that support your case! Now, will you convince the jaded jury of this site? I don't know but if Chris is with anyone, it is with Mikaela. IMO

Although I've only caught bits and pieces of this season, I love that no one really knows what happens! The suspense and anticipation make me giddy - almost like waiting for Santa Claus!

Happy Sunday, I agree with you both. IMO It’s Mik for the win! Is she a business woman with other goals, too? Of course she is. That’s why she’s my fav. IMO Centered, focused, polished, accomplished- that is what I respect about Mikaela.
Follow Lyndsey’s Instagram. In love, out of love, pictures up, pictures down, travel here, travel there, going here, going where, broken heart, never moving away from the comfort of my family who healed me when I was broken/devastated by a man, oh except when I go to Australia. IMO, Things she says about her love for Chris, pale in comparison to stronger, more heartfelt declarations about her feelings for her girlfriend so, I’m not impressed with her great, I will love you and protect you from my family if you move here but I’m not moving to Toronto conditional “love” story. And whose fiancé needs you to have his back with your family? I can’t relate.

Nice girl. Beautiful girl. Drama freakin’ Queen. Read her captions. No edited narrative there. Just her images and messages to the world.

Chris is just not stupid enough to even try to build a real life cross country with Lyndsey, IMO. CHRIS is the only one who could convince me otherwise. I await Wednesday and hope @Sprite will deliver the final, ultimate, objective report of what is seen on the screen, for sure. JMO

Not trying to pick on Lyndsey but I don't understand the rationale of not being willing to compromise on Toronto yet she is apparently moving to Australia for an extended period of time. For me, this does not support the notion that her love for Chris was so much stronger than Mik's. If anything I saw Lyndsey as more selfish. It was all about what Chris could do for her, even when describing what she liked about Chris to his mother. She is 23 so I let it go. JMO.