Bachelor 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Kashathediva wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

pbmax wrote:

No! it only applies to the lead, the contestants are exempted. So I should expect the same for the next lead, right!

Absolutely. You should especially expect it for the female leads. They are never, ever exempt. It'll be much worse than Arie's getting.

I think TPTB always treat the 'Ette much worse than the TB. This is a very misogynist show imo.

Exactly. This is why I don't get why some are acting like Becca will get some huge pass next season if she's the lead. It's never, ever worked that way. Not on the show and not on this board. JMO.

bluwavz wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

Absolutely. You should especially expect it for the female leads. They are never, ever exempt. It'll be much worse than Arie's getting.

I think TPTB always treat the 'Ette much worse than the TB. This is a very misogynist show imo.

Exactly. This is why I don't get why some are acting like Becca will get some huge pass next season if she's the lead. It's never, ever worked that way. Not on the show and not on this board. JMO.

TPTB already threw her under the bus once and it will happen again. Imho.

I'm not talking about tptb. Ok so I'm expecting the same criticism for the next lead when she does something unfavourable. Got it!

Yes you should. It happened to Rachel, JoJo, Kaitlyn, Andi, ect. And for much less than Arie's done. Becca won't be free of criticism.

Mommyof2 wrote:snipped..

TPTB already threw her under the bus once and it will happen again.  Imho.  

So true. IMHO she was the one that was used the most in this season by TPTB. If she was lied to about the last SHV does she really think this was all Arie's doing?

Stone_Hedge wrote:We keep forgetting that the title of this show we love to watch is called The Bachelor, a word that—while not always—can sometimes be used to define a guy with playboy tendencies, a perpetual ex-boyfriend, someone who is alone with good cause. So when Arie inevitably breaks more hearts and the season wraps, he’ll just continue to be America’s ex-boyfriend…one we’ll be glad things are over with.

https://www.glamour.com/story/arie-isnt-the-bachelor-hes-your-ex-boyfriend

Let me say just how much I LOVE this article!!! Perfect take on Arie.

bluwavz wrote:Yes you should. It happened to Rachel, JoJo, Kaitlyn, Andi, ect. And for much less than Arie's done. Becca won't be free of criticism.

Knowing the viewers of this show, she'll probably got the same intensity of criticism for sneezing that Arie got for emotionally cheating on, lying to, and callously dumping his F1. IMO.

Yup, you can't win. No different than any other season of TB or the ette including this one.

AllAboutLove wrote:

Nibbles22 wrote:Yet, if anyone published, or posted how difficult this has been for Arie, IMO, first no one would believe it, 2nd, no one would care that it was difficult, or third, they would be thrilled that he suffered as well.  It's really a no win, regardless.    IMO, people who hate Arie, want to believe every horrible thing that is posted, every horrible thing an ex has said, and every horrible thing they can imagine him to be.  Unfortunately,  that's life in bachelor world.

Which "people" are these? Members on this forum? 

As for Arie, I did believe and defended him for a long time. However it's Arie's own actions that prove to me that Arie's present behavior matches his past behavior. If any other lead had a reputation like Arie has and then proved that reputation to be true imo and showed such a lack of empathy like Arie has displayed, I'd say the same thing about them. This is not Arie's first rodeo on this show. How he's chosen to act is on him, both for his past behavior and for the present. jmo

Nibbles22 wrote:I am not going to take the bait here.  I specifically said 'in bachelor world'.   I don't appreciate a hornet's nest being stirred because I say something in defense of a contestant, and the twisting of my words.  

I asked for clarification in my question since it has been said countless times on this forum that when using "people" to make clear who these people are (SM, media, etc). Members are people so that's why I was asking for clarification. There was no twisting of words but merely asking. Clarification of the post was all that was needed.

IMO Arie comes off very insecure. His posture is so slumped and defeated. He seems nervous and uncertain and not especially well-spoken Maybe he uses women for temporary validation to feel like he is good enough. A lot of people who love the chase stage of relationships seem insecure in a similar way, in my experience.

Lauren and Arie seem like falling back into old bad habits. Arie likes the unavailable girl until she becomes available. Lauren likes a guy who treats her well when courting her but has a habit of treating women badly once the chase is over. IMO

clhouse wrote:IMO Arie comes off very insecure. His posture is so slumped and defeated. He seems nervous and uncertain and not especially well-spoken Maybe he uses women for temporary validation to feel like he is good enough. A lot of people who love the chase stage of relationships seem insecure in a similar way, in my experience.

Lauren and Arie seem like falling back into old bad habits. Arie likes the unavailable girl until she becomes available. Lauren likes a guy who treats her well when courting her but has a habit of treating women badly once the chase is over.

Sounds perfect for each other. Maybe after she breaks up with him, she will be the ex that has the loudest voice. Hard to gauge even if they get married if Arie will be finally tamed. His expertise is covert and cunning. Imo

Stone_Hedge wrote:

clhouse wrote:IMO Arie comes off very insecure. His posture is so slumped and defeated. He seems nervous and uncertain and not especially well-spoken Maybe he uses women for temporary validation to feel like he is good enough. A lot of people who love the chase stage of relationships seem insecure in a similar way, in my experience.

Lauren and Arie seem like falling back into old bad habits. Arie likes the unavailable girl until she becomes available. Lauren likes a guy who treats her well when courting her but has a habit of treating women badly once the chase is over.

Sounds perfect for each other. Maybe after she breaks up with him, she will be the ex that has the loudest voice. Hard to gauge even if they get married if Arie will be finally tamed. His expertise is covert and cunning. Imo

Then she will kick his butt to the curb. She already did it with her ex-fiance for not treating her well. Jmo.