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Post by Sprite Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:19 am

@veg_out Thank you. I am starting to feel somewhat better but am still pretty sick. I've been off of work all week and I called in for tomorrow and probably will for Friday as well. This is the third time since the new year that I've had this crazy flu. It just won't go away. It doesn't help that most of my co-workers have been sick and all the guys we support who rarely get sick. 

So the boyfriend comes at the end or close to it. I wonder if that is why the confusion? Obviously his ex must be there at the end ... final 3. What if she takes him back and Arie must make due with who is left even though they might not have been who he wanted?...hence the wrong choice? That might explain this confusing edit, but I still don't see it with anyone.

I wonder whose ex boyfriend it is?


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Post by agentcurls Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:20 am

veg_out wrote:So glad you're back, @MVMom39forever, and on the mend! Solid points about each of the relationships and the potential Bachettes.

If you had to call F1 today, who would you say? That question goes to everyone @Sprite @agentcurls @grace8136 @Cari  @MVMom39forever

I love all the commentary tonight!

I am in agreement in that I think we will have an unconventional ending.

I thought Bekah could be F1, until ep. 5. I saw a demeanor shift in Arie. I think ep. 5 was a turning point and it felt like edits shifted a bit. I think Arie and Bekah are great together but I'm not sure Arie will take a chance on her.

I have re-watched SQTs and 1:1s and I have to say, there is only one girl Arie seems to be courting: Lauren. He's rather chivalrous with her. Maybe he has been more so with the others that we haven't seen, but...it's the little things.

Look at how he brought Lauren onto Bibiana's "bed set-up" at the mansion vs. Bekah during ep. 3 RC SQT
During ep. 4 GD SQT, He covered her with a blanket, and then the kiss on the cheek during Lauren's mid-sentence. Then the kiss on the forehead on the way back to the group.
He doesn't just go in for the kiss, he tells her "I really want to kiss you" or he waits for her to give him the look that says "it's ok Arie, you can kiss me" before he dives in...its' almost....dare I say- gentlemanly!  During their SQT ep. 5, there was that silhouette of the two of them going downstairs talking like friends and she is becoming one of his confidantes. She has been the only one edited to show truly trying to get to know Arie- what he wants, what he fears, how he likes his coffee.  She presented her conflict: the fear of falling for him, but then he chooses someone else. Arie is her answer to the conflict...or not.  I have trouble with Lauren being F1 because of the edit she got ep. 1-3, but if it's an unconventional season with wonky edits, it might leave the door open for other possibilities.

Re: The ex!  The draaaaaaama, of course, but why else? Maybe Arie is starting to set his sights on an F1 TP think could be a mistake so why not send out the ex to build angst and light a fire under Arie's butt? It's like caveman 101-
"I came to get my girl" - the ex    
"Over my dead body"  - Arie  giggling
But maybe it was too overwhelming for Arie.

Tia might be in the mix for F4 and I think she is cut after HTDs...because of the night time SCs of her crying in the white dress saying "I'm ready to go' and Arie's crying SC. Plus, I don't see "it" with them, but I think she might be a Ette contender.

I still need to see more of Becca to know where she stands, but I think she could also possibly be in F4 if Bekah goes. I don't get "the feels" with these two together. I do get "the feels" when Arie is with Kendall, Bekah, & Lauren. That could be due to my own biases, although I have nothing against Becca.

I'm pretty solid on Kendall as F3 due to her sand dune SC and her 2:1 with Krystal. She also has been doing more talking about herself, but hasn't really probed Arie on his wants/needs. I disagree with most and feel that Kendall is doing a lot of the narrating that isn't drama-related. I think she could be in the running for next Ette. Her edit has been pretty good and she's likeable.


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Post by agentcurls Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:22 am

Sprite wrote:@veg_out Thank you. I am starting to feel somewhat better but am still pretty sick. I've been off of work all week and I called in for tomorrow and probably will for Friday as well. This is the third time since the new year that I've had this crazy flu. It just won't go away. It doesn't help that most of my co-workers have been sick and all the guys we support who rarely get sick. 

So the boyfriend comes at the end or close to it. I wonder if that is why the confusion? Obviously his ex must be there at the end ... final 3. What if she takes him back and Arie must make due with who is left even though they might not have been who he wanted?...hence the wrong choice? That might explain this confusing edit, but I still don't see it with anyone.

I wonder whose ex boyfriend it is?

The ex comes back in Peru...not positive on FD or FRC location yet. I don't think the ex could be Kendall's, Becca's, or Bekah's...might've been Tia's but I don't think she makes to FDs..that leaves Lauren.


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Post by MVMom39forever Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:42 am

Sprite...thanks for post and I agree with all that you wrote. I just have to defend Chris and Des!! I was unspoiled and picked Chris as f1 on ep2 when she gave him GDR and they talked about mutual love of poetry (!). When I became unspoiled at around ep4 or 5, I was honestly shocked w Brooks spoiler. I never saw Chris as default.

So back to Arie...i think that that Becca emerged in week 5 as his f1 option who seems most natural choice for him...maybe his "sure thing" with Baby B too young, Chelsea losing her sparkle w him and Krystal just crazy.

So Becca just moved to top for him if the other tier 2 recently emerging...Tia, Kendall and Lauren ... don't pan out.

Well, what if Becca's boyfriend comes back...the one she dated when her dad died for 7 years. And, what if she returns to him. That could push Lauren into f1 spot and the "wrong" pick or default. Once a top 6 and now top 1.

I am super curious for next week to see if I can actually see the connection with Lauren on their 1 on 1. Right now, I just don't get any warm fuzzies with those two.
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Post by Sprite Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:42 am

gentcurls wrote:
veg_out wrote:So glad you're back, @MVMom39forever, and on the mend! Solid points about each of the relationships and the potential Bachettes.

If you had to call F1 today, who would you say? That question goes to everyone @Sprite @agentcurls @grace8136 @Cari  @MVMom39forever

I love all the commentary tonight!

I am in agreement in that I think we will have an unconventional ending.

I thought Bekah could be F1, until ep. 5. I saw a demeanor shift in Arie. I think ep. 5 was a turning point and it felt like edits shifted a bit. I think Arie and Bekah are great together but I'm not sure Arie will take a chance on her.

I have re-watched SQTs and 1:1s and I have to say, there is only one girl Arie seems to be courting: Lauren. He's rather chivalrous with her. Maybe he has been more so with the others that we haven't seen, but...it's the little things.

Look at how he brought Lauren onto Bibiana's "bed set-up" at the mansion vs. Bekah during ep. 3 RC SQT
During ep. 4 GD SQT, He covered her with a blanket, and then the kiss on the cheek during Lauren's mid-sentence. Then the kiss on the forehead on the way back to the group.
He doesn't just go in for the kiss, he tells her "I really want to kiss you" or he waits for her to give him the look that says "it's ok Arie, you can kiss me" before he dives in...its' almost....dare I say- gentlemanly!  During their SQT ep. 5, there was that silhouette of the two of them going downstairs talking like friends and she is becoming one of his confidantes. She has been the only one edited to show truly trying to get to know Arie- what he wants, what he fears, how he likes his coffee.  She presented her conflict: the fear of falling for him, but then he chooses someone else. Arie is her answer to the conflict...or not.  I have trouble with Lauren being F1 because of the edit she got ep. 1-3, but if it's an unconventional season with wonky edits, it might leave the door open for other possibilities.

Re: The ex! I think I can be almost certain he is Lauren's. Why was he allowed on? The draaaaaaama, of course, but why else? Maybe Arie is starting to set his sights on an F1 TP think could be a mistake. Maybe they see something better brewing with Lauren and so why not send out Lauren's ex to build angst and light a fire under Arie's butt? It's like caveman 101-
"I came to get my girl" - the ex    
"Over my dead body"  - Arie  giggling

Tia might be in the mix for F4 and I think she is cut after HTDs...because of the night time SCs of her crying in the white dress saying "I'm ready to go' and Arie's crying SC. Plus, I don't see "it" with them, but I think she might be a Ette contender.

I still need to see more of Becca to know where she stands, but I think she could also possibly be in F4 if Bekah goes. I don't get "the feels" with these two together. I do get "the feels" when Arie is with Kendall, Bekah, & Lauren. That could be due to my own biases, although I have nothing against Becca.

I'm pretty solid on Kendall as F3 due to her sand dune SC and her 2:1 with Krystal. She also has been doing more talking about herself, but hasn't really probed Arie on his wants/needs. I disagree with most and feel that Kendall is doing a lot of the narrating that isn't drama-related. I think she could be in the running for next Ette. Her edit has been pretty good and she's likeable.


 
I like your point about the ex bringing out the caveman in Arie. I don't necessarily see that it is Lauren's ex...for me it could be any of them. Maybe that is why the wrong pick happens? What if Arie really hasn't decided yet, but the ex shows up and that gets him jealous and possessive so he goes for her?...if she gets rid of the ex. She is the pick, when if left alone, maybe she wouldn't have been? Hence, picking the wrong one. Then that would really make me think that Lauren is F2 since she is harping about being heartbroken and maybe thought it was going to be her?

I don't know that Arie is solely courting Lauren. He brought pretty much everyone out to Bibiana's set up...except the Bib's herself...so I don't buy that it made Lauren that special. If I remember correctly, didn't he pull Becca off somewhere hidden during that time to make out some? More private? Also he took Becca off to his hotel room for alone time away from everyone this last episode. I don't think he quite jumps her like the others either. So maybe these two are his top contenders...which we speculated anyway? He hasn't made up his mind, picks the one whose boyfriend came back and then regrets it?


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Post by agentcurls Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:46 am

^I guess it's just the other little things he does with Lauren that seem more like courting moves. I realize he brought other ladies out to the Bibs set up, but it was the way he brought Lauren out.
I think it does say something that he brought Becca up to his room ep. 5.


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Post by Sprite Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:57 am

MVMom39forever wrote:Sprite...thanks for post and I agree with all that you wrote. I just have to defend Chris and Des!! I was unspoiled and picked Chris as f1 on ep2 when she gave him GDR and they talked about mutual love of poetry (!). When I became unspoiled at around ep4 or 5, I was honestly shocked w Brooks spoiler. I never saw Chris as default.

So back to Arie...i think that that Becca emerged in week 5 as his f1 option who seems most natural choice for him...maybe his "sure thing" with Baby B too young, Chelsea losing her sparkle w him and Krystal just crazy.

So Becca just moved to top for him if the other tier 2 recently emerging...Tia, Kendall and Lauren ... don't pan out.

Well, what if Becca's boyfriend comes back...the one she dated when her dad died for 7 years. And, what if she returns to him. That could push Lauren into f1 spot and the "wrong" pick or default. Once a top 6 and now top 1.

I am super curious for next week to see if I can actually see the connection with Lauren on their 1 on 1. Right now, I just don't get any warm fuzzies with those two.

OMG I have to stop! I read another post and speculate away anew. That makes sense too....Lauren coming into F1 by default. If he has regrets after the fact, dumps her and leaves her broken hearted F1 and conveniently ends up single through no fault of his own. He gets the $ and exposure from the gig and is free to chase young skirt to his hearts content for the next five years because he fell in love on the show. Then he could make a return like Brad in a few years and do it all again. Perfect!

I am really starting to think the women who he zeroed in early on...Chelsea, Krystal and maybe baby Becca....fizzled and then he had to go with the second tier women. That could explain not seeing it with any of them. The ones he wanted couldn't cut it and he had to work with who was left. Then the boyfriend comes back and further messes things up. 

I can't wait to see which of the contenders gets cut. Maybe then I can make sense of it, but I am still confused as to why I don't see him into anyone....


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Post by locoforbach Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:16 pm

handwave I am here!!!  Been watching the season but stayed away because if I get bored I get tempted to become spoiled and i SO don't want to.

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My first impression is that Arie seems to have some really down to earth, intelligent women.  I hope he chooses wisely.  If he doesn't it will not be for lack of opportunity and I will be left believing he really isn't ready to settle down, he just "thinks" he should since his  younger brother got married.
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Post by Sprite Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:13 pm

@locoforbach Welcome. We are a small group here and unfortunately some have gotten accidentally spoiled so it is always good for someone else to join us. The more the merrier! 

Please let us know your thoughts.


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Post by agentcurls Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:26 pm

hi hi @locoforbach, good to see you chiming in. Look forward to hearing what you think of the season so far.


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Post by veg_out Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:32 pm

Hello, @locoforbach, I echo @Sprite and @agentcurls: Welcome! We're having a blast being utterly confused together!
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