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Post by aviej Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:47 pm

Interesting observation @agentcurls. When did the mention of Tinder take place? And who said it? Thanks. I can't remember that part.
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Post by agentcurls Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:51 pm

aviej wrote:Interesting observation @agentcurls. When did the mention of Tinder take place? And who said it? Thanks. I can't remember that part.

Kendall said it while she was talking to a group of other girls before the FIR was given out.


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Post by aviej Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:55 pm

Ooh, thanks. Interesting. Maybe dating apps will play a role either later in the season or afterwards. Strange thing to leave in.
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Post by agentcurls Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:58 pm

aviej wrote:Ooh, thanks. Interesting. Maybe dating apps will play a role either later in the season or afterwards. Strange thing to leave in.

Hmmmm, maybe. Maybe the ex that arrives later is a Tinder ex. giggling


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Post by Sprite Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:14 pm

agentcurls wrote:I don't really see Chelsea as too much a villain so I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up being F1. There have certainly been more villainous F1s. I will need to see more of them at this point even though Arie had a strong first impression out of the limo and they shared a kiss that first night. One thing that makes me doubt she is F1 is how much screen time she got night one. Her edit seemed more F2 to me.

Becca has had the best edit so far and while I think Arie is attracted to her, I just don't see "it" with them. She could be the lovable F3 and possible next Bachelorette.

Then Bekah, who made a strong first impression, and who the others & Arie are doubting it will work because of the age difference, but he can't get enough of her physically & mentally and  "just can't let her go" so far.

Which leaves Krystal (is she the next Vienna? Courtney? Will she redeem herself? Or will he send her packing before HTDs?)

Will someone new emerge into the F4 that Arie or any of us didn't anticipate?

Are TP knocking us over the head with the whole "Arie is ready to be a husband and father" business because he does actually pick Bekah? Is the "she's so young" edit a red herring? Or a distraction from the true F1? Does he cut Bekah lose but she's the only one he fell for so then he goes with a default/fake pick only to
break up 7 months later?  


Where my head is:

F1 - Bekah -OR- a slow-burn that emerges in Europe (Lauren, Kendall, Seinne, Jacqueline) Something tells me that the ex arrival during FRC time is an ex of one of these, in which case it will ruffle some feathers, but Arie will get the girl in the end, whether ex is coming for Arie's intended F1 or F2
I will have to see more of Arie with Chelsea, Becca, & Tia to see if they have a chance to overtake Bekah
F2- Chelsea or one of the slow-burn candidates
F3 - Becca or "
F4 - Tia or "

Regarding the highlighted:

Becca is the only one that I can see as the F1...so far. She has gotten an early date, a fair amount of ITM and shots of her talking with the others, but like you, I don't see the "it" between them. I mostly see her as F1 based on how she is being shown by the edit. By the same reasoning I can also see her being set up as the next Bette.

I don't see Krystal being the next villainous F1. I am seeing him getting bored by her already. Her little girl, woe is me, the other girls don't like me and I have a target on my back seems to be getting old for him....no matter how much he may have been interested in getting into her pants initially.

I think I am starting to wonder if the reason they are hitting us over the head with the fact that Arie is ready for a wife and kids is because they know he actually isn't? Just like them to emphasize the negative of the lead. Maybe he doesn't pick anyone? or he picks someone and they have a quick break up? Maybe they know the relationship is already down the toilet? I could see an Emily and Brad AFTR.

Whatever way it goes, I can't see it ending well in the long run.


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Post by aviej Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:21 pm

Becca does seem to go far, but she had an early 1on1. How many contestants who had early dates actually go on to be the F1? Normally the 5th week or so is when the F1 emerges on the 1on1.
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Post by veg_out Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:26 pm

Musings: It's interesting to me that an ex appears possibly late in the game. Remember that happened with Arie/Emily in that Cassie revealed during episode 7 that she used to date Arie? Emily never looked at him the same way after.

Have any of the girls mentioned their exes yet? We should have some foreshadowing.

Another thought: If Sprite's correct and this season ended up becoming a cluster, then bringing in the boyfriend of a "frontrunner" (I'm guessing) would justify if things go bust.

At this time, I'm hopeful that the season turns a corner. Interesting commentary so far!

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Post by agentcurls Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:55 pm

Kendall got a lot of ITMs that first night, but hardly any screen time ep. 2 & 3 and then emerged prominently in ep. 4 so a strange edit so far.

I don't know what to make of Krystal and Chelsea at this point, but I can see Arie slowly backing away from Krystal and while I think he was intrigued by Chelsea at first, I'm not sure he will be as into her going forward when she starts being less mysterious. I'll have to see Arie with Chelsea and Becca more to know where they stand. I will look into Becca's edit night one and it might say more. If she is a real F1 or a default, their connection needs to be more convincing, to me, imo.


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Post by agentcurls Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:08 am

aviej wrote:Becca does seem to go far, but she had an early 1on1. How many contestants who had early dates actually go on to be the F1? Normally the 5th week or so is when the F1 emerges on the 1on1.

Vienna ? I believe 1:1 ep. 2
Emily?
Courtney 1:1 ep. 2
Catherine not until ep. 5 or ep. 6
Nikki ?
Whitney ?
Lauren no date at all ep. 2/ 1:1 ep. 3
Vanessa GD ep. 2/1:1 ep 3


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Post by veg_out Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:21 am

agentcurls wrote:
aviej wrote:Becca does seem to go far, but she had an early 1on1. How many contestants who had early dates actually go on to be the F1? Normally the 5th week or so is when the F1 emerges on the 1on1.

Vienna ? I believe 1:1 ep. 2
Emily special picnic episode 2; 1:1 @ vineyard episode 3
Courtney 1:1 ep. 2 @ vineyard
Catherine not until ep. 5 or ep. 6
Nikki ?
Whitney ?
Lauren  no date at all ep. 2/ 1:1 ep. 3
Vanessa GD ep. 2/1:1 ep 3

I want to say that Catherine started the trend of episode 5 dates (Nikki, Whitney) until they reverted back to episode 3 dates for the frontrunner, but I glossed over JPG and Farmer's seasons. Does anyone know?

As much as I can understand thinking that Cat was a frontrunner, I remember being so confused with her because of a) the pattern that preceded her as shown above b) Sean's poker face regarding his feelings c) his interest in Tierra/Ashlee. Sure, I saw a spark between them, particularly coming from Cat, but it felt like he didn't "catch feelings" hard for her until after HTDs. He wasn't as easy to read as Ben and even Nick were.

Maybe watch some of Arie with Emily to see if he has a "tell" though I think that TPTB threw him off his game with this crop of women.
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Post by Sprite Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:29 am

@veg_out That is so funny. I thought Sean had no poker face with Cat. I could read him like a book. To me it was obvious he was so into her that I couldn't believe when he said he couldn't make up his mind until the very end. I think he truly was trying to think with his head and the issues with Cat had more to do with the fact that on paper they appeared very different and she wasn't into religion as much as he was, but to me, every fiber of his being screamed Cat pretty much from their first kiss on.

I don't think Arie is that hard to read either. I just don't think he is into any of them as potential spouses since I don't think he is really looking for one. He mostly looks bored to me. Yeah he enjoys making out, but that is about it. I'm starting to think that people think he is hard to read because they can't see him into anyone and they think he is covering well and that is why they can't see it, when in reality he is just not interested. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!


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Post by Aunties_Love Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:37 am

agentcurls wrote:As others have said, Arie is a hard read! We are all seeing different dynamics play out, but I hope you will stick it out here in the unspoiled threads because I'm curious about your input! @Sprite @grace8136 @veg_out @MVMom39forever @aviej

Re: intro videos - I think this might be a random thing tptb switch up season to season, much like "first one out of the limo"  but, maybe there is a small pattern...

Jake Pavelka - Vienna did have an intro vid (limo order?) limo order edited 11/25
Brad 2.0 - don't know preview video; limo order edited 28/30
Ben F - Courtney? dont know preview video; limo order edited 6/25
Sean - Cat didn't have one (also, what was her limo entrance order?) limo order edited 10/26
JuanP - Nikki? don't know preview video; limo order edited 5/27
Farmer Chris - Whitney? don't know preview video; limo order edited 2/30
Ben Higgy - Lauren B had an intro vid & was first one out of limo
Nick - Vanessa had an intro vid (limo order?) edited limo order 19/30

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