Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - MTA - July 31 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* Discussion

Ladybug82 wrote:IMO, Peter on the floor upset is part of being let go early before the FRC and has nothing to do with the F3 RC.  

The US Weekly article from yesterday seems to back that up.

"When it gets down to the finale and the final two guys, the last breakup is the most heart-wrenching of all time,” an insider tells Us. "They couldn’t say goodbye, and even when they did there were so many tears from her. After she left, he collapsed and sobbed.”

Source - Rachel Lindsay’s Breakup With ‘Bachelorette’ Runner-Up Was ‘the Most Heart-Wrenching of All Time’

Well, this is probably true, however as I've said it makes it more problematic for the couple. Because F1 has to think he's default or close to it. I remember Des's Chris said he didn't watch anything but his dates with Des. JMO

Bryan just has to watch Rachel practically attacking her family in his defense to know that he is not default F1. IMO There hasn't been a bigger clue on the show that Bryan had it in the bag since HTDs. There was no competition after that IMO.

All JMO

albean99 wrote:

SFoster wrote:I don't think Rachel was sobbing over Peter because she was afraid of hurting his feelings. He  doesn't care about her. He's not into her. That's the problem. She's the one who cares about him but it's not reciprocated. I think she knows that. But she's been hoping. IMO

You think he went all the way to the end without caring anything about Rachel? I don't see that at all.  I do believe he cared for her at this point in the show and was even falling in love but not to the point of being prepared to propose. I think Rachel had strong feelings for Peter but stronger for Bryan so she used Peter's reluctance to propose as an excuse to drop him - apparently prior to the FRC. I think it's easy to say that it's okay because Peter didn't care but we don't actually know that and I for one don't believe it. JMO of course.

albean,

I agree with you that Peter did care and did have feelings for Rachel. I do not buy the idea that he was just not that into her at all. His inability to propose seems to be about him maybe being gun shy and still having walls up. He said that ai his hometown date. It may be related to the bad breakup he had. I do not think that his inability to propose means that he did not care. People can get cold feet or freak out for a number of reasons.

I do think Peter's inability to propose made it easier for Rachel to let him go and pick Bryan. But I think that there is an assumption about Peter not being that into her and being able to walk away, that is not correct. We saw that clip of Peter saying - what's wrong with me? He is clearly struggling with himself and showing a great deal of emotion. You don't do that if you really don't care. I also do not believe that this was his so-called audition for the Bachelor. That may be convenient for some, but I don't buy it. JMO.

IMO I doubt think it's that big an issue.  Depends on if you want to continue invite the drama in and let TPTB continue to mess with you, IMO.  Personally I can see reasons for and against, so I understand why some choose to watch and others not.   Just personal preference, but I don't think its any indication of whether the relationship will work on not.

I don't for a minute believe that Bryan is her default.  Just watching her actions at MTP or listening to recent interviews makes that clear, IMO.  And IMO, what they have and build from the FRC forward is what's important.  IMO, they'll both catch flack on SM because he's not her preferred choice.  But it's not about whatever anyone else wants for her, its her choice and IMO she made the best choice for herself.  And I say the same about any lead, whether I like them or their F1s. If they want this relationship to last and are willing to put in the effort needed to make it work, they will.  If they realize its not meant to be, that's fine too.  I wish them well regardless.

And if Peter's named Bach then maybe his fans will move on and leave Rachel and Bryan alone.  Especially when Peter doesn't pick the fan fav. Though some were still harping on all parties involved's SM about how Ben should chosen Jojo who appears quite happy with Jordan during BenLo's break up.  So, IMO, seems some will just never let things go.  

JMO

coolangel wrote:Bryan just has to watch Rachel practically attacking her family in his defense to know that he is not default F1. IMO There hasn't been a bigger clue on the show that Bryan had it in the bag since HTDs. There was no competition after that IMO.

All JMO

Doubters will doubt, imo.

Bryan should come here and read his fan thread and watch all the gifs if he ever feels insecure

Anyway, Rachel said it very clearly, she was only in love with ONE person. After reading her latest blog and some of her recent interviews, I think Rachel understands clearly why Peter is not the person for her after she got out of the bubble.
All Jmo.

coolangel wrote:Bryan just has to watch Rachel practically attacking her family in his defense to know that he is not default F1. IMO There hasn't been a bigger clue on the show that Bryan had it in the bag since HTDs. There was no competition after that IMO.

All JMO

True, and that's why I don't get all the tears with Peter. Trying to get him to propose. If all that is the night before the FRC. In Geneva, Peter told her he would give her time at the end if he was having reservations. To me, this is the end, the F3. I even thought I read a while back that F3 is the last chance to back out, after that both F2 have to be willing to propose. So like Eric said, what is Peter's protocol for still being there. It makes more sense that she cut him at F3. In their FD dinner, he is telling her he is not ready to propose, she is saying she is not seeing them have a future. Doesn't make sense that she would give him a rose after that? But maybe she gives him a second chance when she goes to his room before the F3 RC. But to me, he's telling her his reservations "in time", like he told her in Geneva. I don't understand if she gives him a rose, makes her seem desperate to me. But I do think Eric is F3, so it's hard to reconcile. The whole Peter thing is getting to be too much if he goes all the way to the night before FRC, I'm just sick of it. He's told her over and over that he's not going to propose. On top of that, Rachel was not complimentary towards Peter in her latest blog, imo.

Didn't Rachel say we will see something that has never been done? I don't get what that is. It seems like all the other 32 seasons? What are we missing? Most UNdramatic Finale Ever

It doesn't make sense to me that Rachel let Peter go f3 because they were crying in other clothes from his FD and we saw Peter at the f3 RC. I believe that Eric goes f3 and it looks like Peter was let go at the LCD. I also don't think that Bryan was a "default" f1 but do think that Rachel had very strong feelings for Peter that don't necessarily go with the premise that it was always Bryan.

SFoster wrote:snipped..

True, and that's why I don't get all the tears with Peter. Trying to get him to propose. If all that is the night before the FRC.  In Geneva, Peter told her he would give her time at the end if he was having reservations. To me, this is the end, the F3. I even thought I read a while back that F3 is the last chance to back out, after that both F2 have to be willing to propose. So like Eric said, what is Peter's protocol for still being there. It makes more sense that she cut him at F3. In their FD dinner, he is telling her he is not ready to propose, she is saying she is not seeing them have a future. Doesn't make sense that she would give him a rose after that?  But maybe she gives him a second chance when she goes to his room before the F3 RC. But to me, he's telling her his reservations "in time", like he told her in Geneva. I don't understand if she gives him a rose, makes her seem desperate to me. But I do think Eric is F3, so it's hard to reconcile. The whole Peter thing is getting to be too much if he goes all the way to the night before FRC, I'm just sick of it. He's told her over and over that he's not going to propose. On top of that, Rachel was not complimentary towards Peter in her latest blog, imo.  

ITA I have said for sometime now I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go at F3, it doesn't look that way according to sleuthing. IMO I have no idea why he is still there at F2. If he was being considered for TB usually that is the F3 spot. He has made it clear he's not ready to propose, totally opposite of what Rachel wants and what most F2's want, even if they are faking it. Rachel also wants someone who doesn't have to work hard for a relationship, that's all she's done with Peter IMO. He basically broke off with her by telling her he's not ready to propose, and asked her mother if they can date. This isn't high school asking parents if he can go steady with their daughter. I really think at this point, it's been Rachel's job to get him to profess his love, break him down, for a truly heartbroken F2, because IMHO he wasn't heartbroken at all. I think he's been work for TPTB as well. They can barely get a convincing hug out of him let a lone a proposal. I think they'll dig deep to get to the core of his issues, in order to make it all about Peter and his inability to commit.

IMO Bryan and Peter were the ones she was attracted to from the beginning. The lead knows on the first night, top 4. IMO she started to realize, the relationship was halting not long after their 1:1. She was doing most of the initiating. Bryan was never IMO a default, she clearly liked him night one. Jef/Emily Jesse/DeAnna, those were defaults IMHO.

@albean, In my scenario, it's not the night of the FD when Rachel lets Peter go. It's the night before the F3 RC. They have a day to ponder after the FD dates right?  That's when we see the lead, think and think and think as they stare off and stress over their decision. I had said they had a FS date where she asked Peter her long list of questions.  But then she goes to his hotel room for one last discussion.

Also, Eric has been called out before Peter in the callout order of the RC ever since episode 1.  So I can see Eric going to F2, rather than Peter. She had a good FS date with Eric, no drama or disagreements. We actually see her saying she is not seeing a future with Peter, at his FD dinner date.  We didn't see her saying anything like that to Eric.

The reason I think she keeps Peter to f2 is possibly that she already knew her f1 and she thought Eric was more invested, so, not to drag him further and hurt him more, she cut Eric at f3.
Before she went to talk to Peter in his room, she probably thought his feelings were not as strong, but she was wrong. Seeing how hurt Peter was, Rachel became more upset, hence why she said I didn't expect it to be this hard.
That's my storyboard, imo.

same old, same old..... I love you but I am not in love with you.

Peter could never go further the I like you (with a possible I love you IF we spend 20 years dating)

jmo