Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

No one know Vanessa or Rachel so each of them could be full of s***.IMHO some can hide it but some cant.  I would prefer the one who is blunt and honest than the one who hides it behind a smile.

Cila51290 wrote:I'm so over the Rachel and Vanessa "fight". Sorry, but what these people do post show that is their true self. One has been silent and the other has been somewhat vocal. To me the more you have to justify your dislike or say it loud for everyone to hear, the more I think you're full of sh**. That is all. JMO

the only thing vocal I have heard Rachel said was that she doesn't like Vanessa. To me that is not full of ish... that's blunt and honest. I like both women but I truly feel like people are entitled to not mesh or like someone and if a fan asked her they can't be mad when the answer is an answer they didn't want to hear. JMO.

reason wrote:
I read it somewhere here yesterday.  I cant remember where it is because some one else commented on that comment.  I am going back to see where it is either.  Too much thread to keep what is where.  With Corinne saying she said not nice things behind her back why should she explain her self to her.  She is not relation and not in a working relation either.  Dont get me wrong I like Vanessa just as I like Rachel but gossiping and saying not nice things was a wrong move.

I don't believe anything RS says about people anymore - neither positive nor negative. I wasn't there to witness what happened and there is no proof so I give both Rachel and Vanessa the benefit of doubt. I don't even believe friends of contestants who have something to add to this mess. Corinne is one of the most positive people on SM since the show. If Corinne comes out and says it, then I'll hope Vanessa responds. Till then, it's all a bunch of he said, she said. All JMO.

Cila51290 wrote:I'm so over the Rachel and Vanessa "fight". Sorry, but what these people do post show that is their true self. One has been silent and the other has been somewhat vocal. To me the more you have to justify your dislike or say it loud for everyone to hear, the more I think you're full of sh**. That is all. JMO

Festivities begin next week as in People Shoot, etc. It's all about N & V once WTA airs and we land in HTD and MTP. The tension among the women will be in V's rear view mirror. Rachel will hopefully have her mind on her men. All is good, IMO.

reason wrote:@skates Why should Rachel jump to explain to her, she is not her mother or a friend?  if her intution said stay away, there is nothing to explain.  If she heard from the girls she is carrying news, why should she be friend her or be gossiping about her carrying news.  Rachel is not better than Vanessa and neither is Vanessa better than her.  One of the girls said Vanessa said some not so nice things about her behind her back before the big blow up.  I think it was Alexis or Astrid.  One of the videos Vanessa said she did not like Rachel laywer ways then maybe Rachel did not like her gossiping ways.  Staying far from a tattletail is in her best interest.

In that case, Rachel is listening to the others without clearing it up with Vanessa...accusing Vanessa due to an incident based on one sided story... for me that that is not the way to deal with people...but, obviously she prefers to leave those issues the way she wants it and make judgments...-IMO- that shows a lot on her character...that she is not as compassionate as I have expected her to be...and, she keeps grudges because she refuses to deal with the issues...

This is not an issue on who is right and wrong anymore...it is an issue of feeling unwanted, being an outcast...this is a big issue (this is just a different type of bullying)...if the table has turned, if it would come in with Rachel as the outcast, I guarantee you that the issues would cover much of a bigger problem - racism...Vanessa doesn't have to be Rachel's friend or her mother for Rachel to do the right thing...Rachel just needs to be compassionate, to be able to feel for Vanessa (somebody she dislikes)...a person who has compassion would not want others to feel unwanted whether she is an enemy or a friend...I remember an incident wherein a friend (he) has told another friend that I have been gossiping about him to her through another friend...my friend/she (who apparently has been the receiver of the gossips) has brought up the subject on this guy's issues with me, the funny thing is I don't even know that she knows this (he) person...we end up both laughing about it... if I would have reacted to it badly, it would have created more bad blood on all the people involve...

-JMO-

I honestly think both of these women are great. The "fans" should stop asking if someone likes the other or not. What does it matter to them? if "the fans" think they truly know any of these contestants and they like them that is all that should matter IMO.  Just too many examples of these questions that get on my nerves. They are also asked who Raven's friends are and then took offence to her saying that she has  only 7 friends from the show. I mean if you ask someone a question, you might get an answer that you don't like. JMO

ericbutterfly wrote:

Cila51290 wrote:I'm so over the Rachel and Vanessa "fight". Sorry, but what these people do post show that is their true self. One has been silent and the other has been somewhat vocal. To me the more you have to justify your dislike or say it loud for everyone to hear, the more I think you're full of sh**. That is all. JMO

the only thing vocal I have heard Rachel said was that she doesn't like Vanessa. To me that is not full of ish... that's blunt and honest. I like both women but I truly feel like people are entitled to not mesh or like someone and if a fan asked her they can't be mad when the answer is an answer they didn't want to hear. JMO.

I prefer them saying no comment rather than them saying they dislike each other to stir away from the drama...I think that is the grown up way of dealing with negative issues...

ericbutterfly wrote:

Cila51290 wrote:I'm so over the Rachel and Vanessa "fight". Sorry, but what these people do post show that is their true self. One has been silent and the other has been somewhat vocal. To me the more you have to justify your dislike or say it loud for everyone to hear, the more I think you're full of sh**. That is all. JMO

the only thing vocal I have heard Rachel said was that she doesn't like Vanessa. To me that is not full of ish... that's blunt and honest. I like both women but I truly feel like people are entitled to not mesh or like someone and if a fan asked her they can't be mad when the answer is an answer they didn't want to hear. JMO.

IMO, the same way some people didn't like Vanessa tattle tailing back to Nick is the same thing Rachel/Alexis were doing on IG when they said they don't like Vanessa to the world. I don't get their intentions since V talking to Nick never aired. It only looks like they are trying to make Vanessa look bad. JMO

Dessler wrote:I honestly think both of these women are great. The "fans" should stop asking if someone likes the other or not. What does it matter to them? if "the fans" think they truly know any of these contestants and they like them that is all that should matter IMO.  Just too many examples of these questions that get on my nerves. They are also asked who Raven's friends are and then took offence to her saying that she has  only 7 friends from the show. I mean if you ask someone a question, you might get an answer that you don't like. JMO

IMO fans will always ask these questions. It's nothing new IMO. IMO Contestants should know what to respond to and how to respond without starting fan wars. They could ignore the questions easily. It's not a live interview that they are put in the spot and can't get out of it without saying something. All JMO.

If they had not been in a house cooped up for weeks on end with absolutely nothing to do but gossip or worry about sharing one guy, IMO, this stuff would never have been discussed. I've decided to keep that in mind when it comes to R &V.

I'm most bothered by the instagram story that happened this past weekend just before WTA but that soon will be a distant memory. They are headed in different directions. I hope they both smile and laugh alot in the weeks, months to come. They've earned it.

coolangel wrote:

Dessler wrote:I honestly think both of these women are great. The "fans" should stop asking if someone likes the other or not. What does it matter to them? if "the fans" think they truly know any of these contestants and they like them that is all that should matter IMO.  Just too many examples of these questions that get on my nerves. They are also asked who Raven's friends are and then took offence to her saying that she has  only 7 friends from the show. I mean if you ask someone a question, you might get an answer that you don't like. JMO

IMO fans will always ask these questions. It's nothing new IMO. IMO Contestants should know what to respond to and how to respond without starting fan wars. They could ignore the questions easily. It's not a live interview that they are put in the spot and can't get out of it without saying something. All JMO.

The live instagram was a no win situation for them IMO, according to what was reported here it seemed like the viewers were not sure if Rachel/Alexis answered the question and kept asking about it repeatedly so much so that someone pointed out that they were ignoring the question and jumped into conclusion that they did not like her.

And I am positive that if they had said "No comment" it will mean the same thing that they don't like her because it is infact a yes or no question because any other answer will lead to the same conclusion or she will have to lie. JMO

Cila51290 wrote:

ericbutterfly wrote:

Cila51290 wrote:I'm so over the Rachel and Vanessa "fight". Sorry, but what these people do post show that is their true self. One has been silent and the other has been somewhat vocal. To me the more you have to justify your dislike or say it loud for everyone to hear, the more I think you're full of sh**. That is all. JMO

the only thing vocal I have heard Rachel said was that she doesn't like Vanessa. To me that is not full of ish... that's blunt and honest. I like both women but I truly feel like people are entitled to not mesh or like someone and if a fan asked her they can't be mad when the answer is an answer they didn't want to hear. JMO.

IMO, the same way some people didn't like Vanessa tattle tailing back to Nick is the same thing Rachel/Alexis were doing on IG when they said they don't like Vanessa to the world. I don't get their intentions since V talking to Nick never aired. It only looks like they are trying to make Vanessa look bad. JMO

I understand where you are coming from IMO that was tasteless of Rachel and Alexis too, but I do know from real life experience that the loudest isn't always wrong and there is a such thing as passive aggressive behavior. I like both of these women and I am fans of both, but I do feel like idk what truly happened in that house and the real reasons... Maybe Rachel does have a right to how she feels and is totally justified in her head? I don't like to take RS's word as golden but this is all just my opinion.