Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

reason wrote:She was asked a question she answered honestly.  Should she had answered that way? NO I would not have.  Life is complicated, we all make mistake, no one is prefect.  They did not gel, Vanessa talk to Nick before Rachel, it should have been the other way around and then I think things would have been better.

Catdwoman50 wrote:

Skates wrote:... in those moments during TB21, Vanessa is very invested with Nick...her feelings are real...I feel like her level of connections with Nick are levelled up to spiritual since they can communicate fully and yet have that magic or sparks happening between them...this is kind of like best friends becoming lovers in the long run...her being patient makes me think it is unconditional love... if you love a person intensively, you can feel more pain when unresolved issues give in red flags...Vanessa may have the feelings of doubts and insecurities...but, her tendencies have always been to approach Nick and clear up the issues...the same way as when Scarlett in The Gone With The Wind says 'Tomorrow is another day' after encountering some problems and not getting what she wants...I know these are contradicting scenarios, but I like both characters way of resolving issues...

WHY VANESSA'S RELATIONSHIP BY F3 (After 8 weeks) WAS LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM ANYONE ELSE'S

I believe that N&V took advantage of their 2 more private 1-1 times to further their relationship - much further than any I've seen with any couple in TB.  I have noticed that Nick loves to talk (friends say so, and I think even Liz said all he wanted to do was talk during the ONS) and is well-versed in expressing his thoughts (albeit mumbly at times).  It's highly likely (and I say this because we don't see it) that Vanessa reciprocates (teacher/actress - communication is a tool) that take their communications/discussions to a more serious level (I saw this with Rachel too but time with Rachel were a bit more limited than what was arrnaged for Vanessa).  

So having said that, N&V took advantage of the times they were able to talk to get to know each other, have fun, and fall in love (at least for Vanessa). IMO, By F3 they were at a point in their relationship where they could resolve differences before they get too serious and commit to forever.  While, I think his other relationships were still in the getting to know you, fun falling in love stages with others.  That is why I think we see such difference between Raven's relationship with Nick vs. Vanessa's (unfortunately, it looks like Vanessa is high-maintenance at this point).  I just think they have reached the negotiation stage of their relationship, the "what will I give up to be with you stage?" while Nick and Raven are still trying to define what their ideal relationships are such as likes/dislikes.  Also Raven's descriptions of falling in love (unfortunately was in a deleted scene) still has a naivete (unsophisticated) flavor to it - IMO. It just highlighted the difference in age and possibly decision-making process between Raven and Nick.  

I credit all this N&V progress to Nick navigating his relationship with Vanessa (unfortunately we didn't see most of the romantic parts). He took his knowledge of and his experience in the show to ensure that he was able to start and develop a relationship in this petri dish faster than the natural progression given the time allowed for the couple to evolve their relationship.  He was able to get the most private times with Vanessa (that was allowed) in which they can discuss and get to know each other in lieu of telephone conversations (we experience in the normal world where couples discuss likes and dislikes).  He took their conversations to a level of seriousness so that they can start the relationship in the bubble and be able to continue outside (compared to other TB relationships that usually started outside the show).  At this point in the show, Vanessa was in a serious relationship with Nick and was so affected by his other relationships it was making her crazy.  As third party viewers we say, "you signed up for this" but we seem to forget - she probably didn't realize how serious it was going to get.

So I noticed that the next date again is another opportunity to discuss and communicate - not the fun and romantic dates but private enough so that they can begin negotiating how they would take this relationship out of the bubble and continue - if they get engaged. I think this is usually an LCD (if it even happens) type of conversation.  So what am I saying here? I believe that there is some truth to what they say on how one (contestant and lead) should experience the show - if you open yourself to the experience anything is possible.  However, Nick took it to a different level, he also applied his expertise to further what can happen to make one of his relationships stronger and hopefully enduring.

All JMO!

reason wrote:@skates Why should Rachel jump to explain to her, she is not her mother or a friend?  if her intution said stay away, there is nothing to explain.  If she heard from the girls she is carrying news, why should she be friend her or be gossiping about her carrying news.  Rachel is not better than Vanessa and neither is Vanessa better than her.  One of the girls said Vanessa said some not so nice things about her behind her back before the big blow up.  I think it was Alexis or Astrid.  One of the videos Vanessa said she did not like Rachel laywer ways then maybe Rachel did not like her gossiping ways.  Staying far from a tattletail is in her best interest.

Diana wrote:One of the main reasons I believe N & V are still together is happy Vanessa seems. She is glowing IMO


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coolangel wrote:

reason wrote:@skates Why should Rachel jump to explain to her, she is not her mother or a friend?  if her intution said stay away, there is nothing to explain.  If she heard from the girls she is carrying news, why should she be friend her or be gossiping about her carrying news.  Rachel is not better than Vanessa and neither is Vanessa better than her.  One of the girls said Vanessa said some not so nice things about her behind her back before the big blow up.  I think it was Alexis or Astrid.  One of the videos Vanessa said she did not like Rachel laywer ways then maybe Rachel did not like her gossiping ways.  Staying far from a tattletail is in her best interest.

CMIW But it was someone who was watching the show with Corinne who said that V had said some not nice things behind Rachel's back which caused the fight. RS said something completely different. Also, I don't think there is any video of Vanessa saying she did not like Rachel's lawyer ways. Please point me to one if there is. Thanks!

Luvstruck wrote:So many people seem to see such a great connection to Vanessa but it seems like what may have started out fun/great is now a downer with both questioning. Sorry, I don't buy IMO Rose Colored Glasses theories that Nick knew he was going to choose Vanessa from the beginning.  Why at hometown date did she & Nick both say they had not discussed what their life would be like after the show? If she was his main interest then with Nick and Vanessa being such attributed "thinkers" they should have seen the elephant in the room ....where they would live! Heck even little Corinne said in one of her interviews she and Nick had talked about how life together would be after the show yet he had not had that talk with Vanessa? It makes me wonder if people are being heavily influenced by RS spoiler. Oh well, I always seem to route for the underdog on this show but no matter who Nick chooses I hope they are happily together. Supposedly there is still a "Wild" (per Raven) & "Historic" (per Mike Fleiss) After the Final Rose to look forward to!!!

coolangel wrote:

reason wrote:@skates Why should Rachel jump to explain to her, she is not her mother or a friend?  if her intution said stay away, there is nothing to explain.  If she heard from the girls she is carrying news, why should she be friend her or be gossiping about her carrying news.  Rachel is not better than Vanessa and neither is Vanessa better than her.  One of the girls said Vanessa said some not so nice things about her behind her back before the big blow up.  I think it was Alexis or Astrid.  One of the videos Vanessa said she did not like Rachel laywer ways then maybe Rachel did not like her gossiping ways.  Staying far from a tattletail is in her best interest.

CMIW But it was someone who was watching the show with Corinne who said that V had said some not nice things behind Rachel's back which caused the fight. RS said something completely different. Also, I don't think there is any video of Vanessa saying she did not like Rachel's lawyer ways. Please point me to one if there is. Thanks!