Bachelor In Paradise - Season 4 - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

sweeti810 wrote:snipped
IMO, the relatively new producer/her BFF only said something to cover Corinne's azz after she had regrets and started worrying about her image.

How do we know she was new? Even if she was, good on her for not worry about the possibility of loosing her job and dealing with a situation the way it should have been dealt with IMO if everything is accurate.

I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to file complaints of this nature without proof to back up their claims.

Kashathediva wrote:@nd4reality It really is on so many, many levels.
I want to say you, not in the personal you sense but in the general you sense, don't even know what thread to pull apart first.
Each person involved, the male person, the female person, the handler, who is an assistant production person and friend by relation to the female person, and then other cast people and production people, all play their own separate roles. So where do you begin.
My gut tells me this will all be resolved off the record, out of court and sealed and we will never have another season of BIP. Something totally different will come back next year.
It's left me with a pit in my stomach. A sick, empty feeling. How do you sink to this level?  How as camera person do you want to film something like this? How as a cast person do you want to observe something like this even in passing, as a male or female? It is beyond me. And really, this is not new. Things like this have been going on for seasons, the carousing, the wilding, it's just finally come to a head.

So much to think about here.

How do you get to the point that you are ok in consuming such quantities of alcohol to become so impaired?
How do you get to the point that you are ok in engaging in such sexual behavior with a virtual stranger? In an open setting? While being filmed? While having a SO?
How do you get to the point that you are ok with surrounding yourself with drunken debauchery for a few days, weeks, as your job?
How do you get to the point that you are ok with actively filming people doing stupid, sexual, or dangerous things without stepping in?
How do you get to the point that your missed opportunity for a potential date, free drinks, future schilling is more important than the thorough investigation of a potential sexual assault?
How do you put money above human decency?

How did we get here? I am asking myself today if and how I may have contributed to such decline, and I certainly hope that those involved (cast and crew) take a good long look in the mirror and ask themselves the same. JMHO.

GuardianAngel wrote:

sweeti810 wrote:snipped
IMO, the relatively new producer/her BFF only said something to cover Corinne's azz after she had regrets and started worrying about her image.

How do we know she was new? Even if she was, good on her for not worry about the possibility of loosing her job and dealing with a situation the way it should have been dealt with IMO if everything is accurate.

I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to file complaints of this nature without proof to back up their claims.

Her IMDB page says she started with The Bachelor franchise during Nick's season. A link to the page was already posted.

@sweeti810 Here's a s/shot of the IMDB page. She isn't a new producer. She produced 12 epi's during Nick's season, so she's not even considered new to TB franchise IMO.
We need to ensure if we are posting information as fact, then it better be proven as fact.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6801793/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

dartbachfan27 wrote:What do yall make of @ustesdad's comment on RS' page? It said

Unfortunately, the alleged Corrine/DeMario situation happens every day at colleges across the country.
Girl and guy get drunk. There is no blatant “yes” for sexual contact, and no blatant “no” indicating either party wishes to stop. They have sexual contact. Once inebriation wears off, one party realizes things went further than they would have liked (for many different reasons: they found out the other was a scumbag, they have a BF/GF already, they simply regret it, etc). Charges for sexual assault are filed.
Many times it’s a simple he said, she said. Unfortunately in the court of public opinion, once a person is thought of as a rapist, it sticks and destroys their life.
Far too often men get permanently labeled as sex offenders, when in reality the woman simply later regretted letting it go that far.
Don’t get me wrong, sexual assault is a horrible, awful crime and men/women who force sexual contact with others are the scum of the earth. But situations like what has been described for Corrine/DeMario is not sexual assault. As much of a scumbag DeMario might be (going on Bachelorette with a GF back home), I hope he doesn’t get stuck with the label of a rapist.

Do you think that characterizes what happened in this situation?

Source: RS

I do not know if this description applies to this case. I just don't know what the truth here is.  Everyone is leaking and spinning. IMO.

I do, however, believe that the above scenario plays out on college campuses. Young men are accused and face dismissal from the college and even loss of (sports) scholarships without a day in court. Colleges are very worried about losing federal funding and therefore have a 'zero tolerance' policy (which is laudable) yet it sometimes unfairly punishes the young men simply on the word of young woman. And in some of those cases it does come down to 'buyer's remorse'. IMO.

I also  believe that there are many women who are victims of sexual assault who hesitate to come forward or who do not come forward or who after coming forward are stonewalled  by their college. In the state in where I live, our state university (about 25,000 total students) was recently involved in a class action lawsuit in which the college was found to not handle complaints of sexual assault properly. My friend's daughter just graduated from a different college and got hired as one of eight full-time employees whose sole job is to handle sexual assault (prevention, reporting, follow up, etc) on this campus now. 8 full time employees whose sole job is to handle sexual assaults on one campus!

So, there are potential negative consequences for both a female or male involved in one of these incidents. For the male, I think he runs the risk of false accusal and damages (to reputation and monetary loss), and because of that I would caution any young male not to participate in any activity unless you know for certain that the woman is ready, willing, able, consensual, trustworthy, and mentally stable (not going to turn on you for perceived wrongdoing). I would caution any young woman for all the same things. I would remind her that some environments are higher risk (college campuses, BIP) and not to do anything to impair your own judgment because such judgment may be necessary to keep you safe and alive. Unfortunately, many young people do not think about the consequences of their own actions. IMO.

As to what occurred on BIP4 set, I think a lot of those same ideas hold true.  Exactly what happened we may never know. IMO.

The person who filed the complaint wasn't an assistant, she was a cast producer AKA handler. Seems like she only worked for the show during Nick's season before this and apparently became friends with Corinne, so it's not surprising her tolerance for immoral Bachelor antics would be low. I think you need to be super jaded in order to deal with all manipulation and lying they have to do. JMO.

Anyway, I don't know what to believe, since none of the sources so far seem very credible. I think most might think they're right, but that's just their interpretation of the situation. I doubt Corinne was unconscious, but that doesn't mean she wasn't "blackout drunk". The blackout just refers to your mind having stopped recording events, so you don't remember anything the next day. I think that's very possible. I've known people who've had blackouts and it's not like they were passed out at the time, just drunk. If Corinne was very intoxicated, then no matter how happy she may have seemed or what she said, she still might not have remembered anything afterwards and I'm sure that's a pretty scary feeling. It might be hard to imagine you'd willingly do all that you did once you've sobered up, and impossible to say anything about your degree of consent. It's not like she's calling r*pe like many seem to be accusing her of, so I don't see how anyone thinks this mess is automatically her fault. It's the producer who filed a complaint and probably with good reason. It's unfortunate if Demario is getting accusations thrown his way because of it, but I for one am glad someone's drawing a line. TPTB have been asking for something like this to happen and it finally did. JMO.

As for the cast thinking a mountain is being made out of a molehill, it's not really surprising. If you fail to do the right thing and just stand by and watch, it's easier to try and justify your own lack of action than accept that you might just be selfish. Blaming Corinne is their way of convincing themselves they did nothing wrong. And if they were in lockdown for days with only their handler around then who knows what they were told during it. Maybe they discussed the situation and the handlers played it down and blamed Corinne as well. Corinne is an annoying attention seeker, so it's not like it's that hard to turn people against her. JMOAA.

GuardianAngel wrote:@sweeti810 Here's a s/shot of the IMDB page. She isn't a new producer. She produced 12 epi's during Nick's season, so she's not even considered new to TB franchise IMO.
We need to ensure if we are posting information as fact, then it better be proven as fact.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6801793/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

I apologize, but the only reason I even used that term
Is because it was in @emusha's original post that I quoted.

IMO, I would still consider someone with less than 10 months of wxperience with the franchise as new.

My point is it doesn't matter how much experience one has in their field, when you see something that's not right, you stop it. This goes for producers, cast anyone that is witnessing it. Regardless if you're friends with that cast member or not.

I initially stated she was "relatively new" because she has only just finished her first ever season with the franchise as a producer on her first ever show for the franchise "The Bachelor". That was before filming for the episode on a completely different show - "Bachelor in Paradise" commenced. She is brand new to working on BIP and she's only seen one season with the franchise on a completely different show - "The Bachelor". She's not seasoned imo because she has only seen the bts machinations of this show for only one season on a completely different show than BIP.

coolangel wrote:As much as I dislike RS, his account of what went down makes total sense to me. Even though it sounds anti-Corinne, so far the only two people agreeing with Corinne's version of the story are Corinne+Shelby IMO.

Even Amy Kaufman who was banned from covering the show and might not be a TPTB cheerleader is peddling the version which supports the show IMO. Like I said yesterday, I don't think any of these people are terrible human beings to the point that they would try to bury sexual assault just for keeping this garbage show going.

I am glad that there are tapes so hopefully everything will come to light soon IMO and won't remain a 'He said she said'.

All JMO

I know we don't have all the facts of this story but I believe the RS version of the story too. Not to get to off topic, but I was at a panel with creators of reality tv shows from MTV and one of the questions they were asked dealt with when producers intervene with contestants. One of the creators mentioned they only get involved when cast members could do something dangerous to themselves or others.I'm tying this into the Bachelor in Paradise situation because my thought is if the producer who witnessed the act thought Corinne wasn't fully lucid, why didn't she try to intervene right away? Not to defend DeMario/Corinne but that just seems suspicious to me. I'm glad there are tapes though that could show what really went down.

@kmick0890 Thanks for your info.

Apparently the producer, from the many articles I've read, was not there when it actually happened.

I don't understand why it still dragging and still tptb are letting all these rumours fly... if they have video proof shouldn't it be squashed by now? Sorry but it just seems to becoming more of a mess the longer rumours get published.....jmo