Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

I view Vanessa's liking of that post as a way of saying thank you to @pacozero, for understanding what's going on and not buying into all the gossip. Paco didn't call Danielle boring, he said Nick looked bored while talking to her and that is exactly what I saw. Didn't we all??

The thing is- the edit that has cut so much if what imo wd show the amazing connection they both have has only encouraged people to read it as cutting her being 'the villain'.
This is likely viewed as great drama by tptb as it gets people talking. However it does Nick & everyone else a diservice as we don't see the true story & probably never will. There is always discussion over who is the villain & why but if they dont even show what happened then none of us have facts to back up our opinions.
Meh- i need a coffee & some sweets. Full moons on sm suck!

IMO, a lot of people had picked who Nick should end up with before the first episode aired. Generally based off of a few photographs, video snippets and contestant SM history. Naturally, when Vanessa wasn't their pick, they find fault. Unfortunately, this happens every season.

Just like h8ters gotta hate, fans gotta fan. Gotta do something with their time. Everything in moderation. Both equally crayzee to me.

I feel like at this point I can neither grant Vanessa sainthood nor deem her a b!tch, since we've seen so little of her and have so few facts. I suspect she's just a normal flawed, but generally good person, who happens to be what Nick's been looking for. Like with most people from this show, her true colours will come out eventually, whether it's during the show or a year later. I'd rather just wait and see than try to fill in the gaps, huge gaps, with my imagination. JMO.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQMXBhAhVHE/?taken-by=pacozero&hl=en

I was so enraptured by all Nick's interviews that I forgot I had wanted to post this.
I see 2 dinosaurs.
Anyone?

mindless wrote:I feel like at this point I can neither grant Vanessa sainthood nor deem her a b!tch, since we've seen so little of her and have so few facts. I suspect she's just a normal flawed, but generally good person, who happens to be what Nick's been looking for. Like with most people from this show, her true colours will come out eventually, whether it's during the show or a year later. I'd rather just wait and see than try to fill in the gaps, huge gaps, with my imagination. JMO.

This. I don't and have never declared Vanessa for sainthood. And as I said, considering the circumstances of this show, meant to breed drama (cut off from all communication, no television, no gym to at least release some stress, etc.) I don't doubt for a second that most contestants at some point say something supposedly negative about another contestant. Especially again when there is a handler prodding for a reaction and comment they can use. No, not an excuse, just stating a reality of this "reality" show.

So no, I don't think Vanessa's perfect and I don't think it's impossible that she let the stress and craziness of the experience get to her at times and maybe wasn't her best self. But the fact is we really haven't seen any of the rumored stuff, if it indeed happened, because the show sure hasn't showed it. In fact, after an amazing 1 on 1 with Nick, her screen time has been fairly minimal. Seriously, if you do a time count on how much air time Vanessa has gotten since then, you would probably find it surprisingly lacking maybe even in comparison to some others. And yet she's become a lightening rod for all these criticisms and judgement on her character.

So yeah, it's hard to imagine that it isn't because RS made some, at this point, unsubstantiated claims (because again, we haven't seen any of it) and she's the rumored F1 so the focus on her is intense. No one cares to practically comb through for example Raven's every word and expression on the show so far because spoilers suggest and most of the post filming evidence supports it, that Raven's F2 or at least definitely not F1. But Vanessa at F1 is being laser focused on so that every expression, sigh, word, etc. is taken apart bit by bit to where this picture of her has now been drawn based on very little.

I'm already reading those who are hoping and suspecting that Nick will pull a Jason because he can't stop "gushing" about Rachel in interviews, which means he's clearly regretting his decision and has probably now seen the the evil witch Vanessa really is. That's why I agree with the above that Vanessa's like of Pacozero's comment was less about Paco's opinion on Danielle and Nick's date (which I still say he was not wrong and saying Nick looked bored with the woman is not saying she is boring) and showing appreciation for someone sort of having her back.

Because as I said in another post, it has been vicious these past days towards her and to her credit, for the most part, she's kept her head down and kept moving with her life. So she liked one post that essentially was saying people are unfairly attacking her and that hey, maybe Nick let Danielle go because he was bored with her. IMO, no I don't think that was so petty of her because at the end of the day, it's basically making clear that no one influenced anything - Nick eliminated Danielle because he wasn't feeling it for her, period.

notarose wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BQMXBhAhVHE/?taken-by=pacozero&hl=en

I was so enraptured by all Nick's interviews that I forgot I had wanted to post this.
I see 2 dinosaurs.
Anyone?

Haha I see it too. If you look closely in the background, V is kind of doing the same thing. Another thing they have in common. I haven't seen this goofy side from some of the other girls like I've seen from V.

notarose wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BQMXBhAhVHE/?taken-by=pacozero&hl=en

I was so enraptured by all Nick's interviews that I forgot I had wanted to post this.
I see 2 dinosaurs.
Anyone?

Haha, it does seem like Vanessa's joining in! While sipping her drink. It honestly seemed to me like most of them were more or less drunk on that date, which is why the volleyball match turned into such a disaster.

As far as I know, no one here has called Vanessa a saint so I'm not sure where that's coming from. Just like I don't think Danielle L is a fake person. These things aren't black and white, and no one needs to be choosing sides especially when it's based off nothing but biased rumours that have taken a life of it's own.

I do think Vanessa liking that tweet opened her up for criticism, and I think it's fair that people comment on it. I do think the main point Pacozero was trying to make was that certain Danielle stans were blaming Danielle's elimination on Vanessa. That is baseless. If they have an issue with their fav being eliminated, take it up with the guy who made the decision -- the guy who has continually emphasized how little house drama factors into his decisions. Nick looking bored during their conversation was an observation Pacozero made, and, yeah, it does seem to imply that Danielle is boring. But it's hard to argue that observation of Nick's reaction, because that's what I saw and that's what a lot of people on twitter saw.

I don't think it was the best decision for Vanessa to like that particular comment, but given the disproportionate hate she has been receiving, I think she's well within her right to like a supportive comment by a popular bach account. She's been called a "complete bitch", "evil bitch", and an "insecure bitch" in posts where she's tagged. And yet the spotlight of blame seems to be cast in Vanessa's direction. For what? A like?

Nick looking bored during their conversation was an observation Pacozero made, and, yeah, it does seem to imply that Danielle is boring. But it's hard to argue that observation of Nick's reaction, because that's what I saw and that's what a lot of people on twitter saw.

And Nick didn't exactly help dispel the notion with some of his responses in interviews, regarding why he eliminated her.

Honestly if it weren't for RS, I doubt the word villain would even be associated with Vanessa. I wish he had never said that because it's causing unnecessary drama. If she really did villain like behavior we would've seen it by now.