Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 6 Feb 6 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

mprssdbyu wrote:

see2love wrote:Even if TPTB ask leading questions, she could have answered while acknowledging that it is the nature of the show and she will make her moments count as opposed to the crying and being whinny.

If only my emotions would behave as my head told me they should have, I would have alot less regrets. In my world, it's so much easier said than done.IMO, it was an honest real time reaction. I can't get on board with anybody else would stop and think first.

Lara wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote: I have a feeling the environment in house was far from warm and fuzzy. If I'm  being honest, I feel like Raven was driving the anti-Vanessa train esp after reading some of her twitter now that filming has wrapped. Vanessa is beginning to feel the heat and target on her back, IMO. If RS knew she was the frontrunner before season hit the final stage obviously the girls knew and they acted out accordingly.  I'm just not buying the story of Vanessa complaining about Danielle L., especially  after screen caps captured in real time. I think RS got his stories mixed up. If she supposedly told Nick that during their alone time, how does he or anyone know what she said? Were they hiding behind a piece of furniture listening?

With that said, I do like all 3 final girls. I put more weight on their social media where it does not involve fighting for one guy.

I believe it because Danielle L didn't follow Vanessa until January, but followed everyone else back in November. Liz also said that the group of girls that gave her a note were Vanessa, Taylor, and the Danielle's. That group hung out in Nashville without Danielle L, so I do think they were a "clique" until Vanessa and Taylor said what they did. There's already support  that Taylor wasn't super well-liked, by Josephine and Corinne's comments, and I think they're just leaving out the Vanessa part in the edit because she's f1. He even said on his podcast that Vanessa was no where close to Nikki levels of bitchiness but she did a few things people did not like. That fits with what I've seen on social media, IMO.

GuardianAngel wrote:Not to get off topic, but this will shed some light on part of what goes on, and Sharleen Joynt's recap yesterday is a good example of the discussion we are having here. Sharleen IMO is a well respected Opera singer, established, smart, beautiful and very confident.

If you’ve done any reading on the Bachelor casting process, you know the final round means being flown to L.A., filling out a lot of paperwork including questionnaires and psyche quizzes, getting some medical tests done, speaking with a background check guy, and finally, doing a test ITM followed by a chat with a room full of producers. I will never forget the conversation I had with one producer in that room. For the record, I think very fondly of this producer and we’ve since learned a lot about each other and bonded in many ways, which perhaps further etches this moment in my memory. I was being asked several questions by several producers about myself when I was asked what people usually think of me when they first meet me. I answered that people usually assume that I’m either a ditz (because I’m quite girly and am often judged for being dressed up, and I also have a tendency to fill awkward silences with nervous conversation) or a snob (because I can be shy when I first meet people and I’ve learned it can come off as standoffish). This one producer then asked me, if I had to identify only as one or the other, a ditz or a snob, which I would say I am. I responded, “Neither, because I am neither.” He pressed, “But if you had to identify as one or the other. You have to pick one.” We both remained stubborn until I grew exasperated, insisting that I am neither, but that if I had to pick one, I guess I would say I’m closer to being a snob than a ditz. His response: “So, what things are you snobby about?” Before I even knew what happened, I felt myself becoming defensive for “being a snob,” when my focus should have been on the fact that I’d been completely—and wrongfully—manipulated into that corner.
flare.com Sharleen Joynt

mprssdbyu wrote:

Lara wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote: I have a feeling the environment in house was far from warm and fuzzy. If I'm  being honest, I feel like Raven was driving the anti-Vanessa train esp after reading some of her twitter now that filming has wrapped. Vanessa is beginning to feel the heat and target on her back, IMO. If RS knew she was the frontrunner before season hit the final stage obviously the girls knew and they acted out accordingly.  I'm just not buying the story of Vanessa complaining about Danielle L., especially  after screen caps captured in real time. I think RS got his stories mixed up. If she supposedly told Nick that during their alone time, how does he or anyone know what she said? Were they hiding behind a piece of furniture listening?

With that said, I do like all 3 final girls. I put more weight on their social media where it does not involve fighting for one guy.

I believe it because Danielle L didn't follow Vanessa until January, but followed everyone else back in November. Liz also said that the group of girls that gave her a note were Vanessa, Taylor, and the Danielle's. That group hung out in Nashville without Danielle L, so I do think they were a "clique" until Vanessa and Taylor said what they did. There's already support  that Taylor wasn't super well-liked, by Josephine and Corinne's comments, and I think they're just leaving out the Vanessa part in the edit because she's f1. He even said on his podcast that Vanessa was no where close to Nikki levels of bitchiness but she did a few things people did not like. That fits with what I've seen on social media, IMO.

I'm not sure Danielle didn't buy into RS spoiler at first. But when I learned that it was supposedly said to Nick in alone time opposed to a group of girls, I start to question what REALLY was said by whom and about whom. Heck, I'm not sure it wasn't Corrine drama and he got his stories mixed up. I'm just one who is going to buy what I saw in real time on my screen that was not manipulated by TPTB in any shape or form. I may stand alone in that opinion but I stand firmly until I hear someone back up RS stories.

sdmom wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:

see2love wrote:Even if TPTB ask leading questions, she could have answered while acknowledging that it is the nature of the show and she will make her moments count as opposed to the crying and being whinny.

If only my emotions would behave as my head told me they should have, I would have alot less regrets. In my world, it's so much easier said than done.IMO, it was an honest real time reaction. I can't get on board with anybody else would stop and think first.

Exactly! I don't know how I would have acted if I were in their situation. I have said a few things that I totally regret afterwards, and I am not competing against other girls for the same guy, with no outside contacts and no phone, no wifi.....

Cila51290 wrote:This isn't unusual for group dates to have whiny, crying, dramatics at this stage. We got the same thing in the pigs group date with Lauren and Ben. It's a social experiment after all. You're bound to hit a breaking point. I don't think Vanessa looks entitled. I just think she's frustrated with the show itself. Yes, she signed up for this but if she's also developing real feelings for Nick a person can only be human in these situations and weep about not having time with Nick. The emotions this show inflicts on people gets real. I'd be more worried if she was so nonchalant about everything if she's the F1.

see2love wrote:

sdmom wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:
If only my emotions would behave as my head told me they should have, I would have alot less regrets. In my world, it's so much easier said than done.IMO, it was an honest real time reaction. I can't get on board with anybody else would stop and think first.

Exactly! I don't know how I would have acted if I were in their situation. I have said a few things that I totally regret afterwards, and I am not competing against other girls for the same guy, with no outside contacts and no phone, no wifi.....

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All the contestants have to be excused then right? The Shawn B, Tierra, Nick 1.0, Corrine, Ashley I.

mprssdbyu wrote:

Cila51290 wrote:This isn't unusual for group dates to have whiny, crying, dramatics at this stage. We got the same thing in the pigs group date with Lauren and Ben. It's a social experiment after all. You're bound to hit a breaking point. I don't think Vanessa looks entitled. I just think she's frustrated with the show itself. Yes, she signed up for this but if she's also developing real feelings for Nick a person can only be human in these situations and weep about not having time with Nick. The emotions this show inflicts on people gets real. I'd be more worried if she was so nonchalant about everything if she's the F1.

This! I really do like all of the F3. But whoever it is, she better care about Nick, alot!