Re: Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 2 Jan 9th - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

by notarose Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:10 pm

mizzoufan wrote:Do people really like Vanessa for Vanessa or because she the winner?

My fav female from the franchise is Sharleen Joynt who didn't factor in the final 4 so :yes:

I really like Vanessa (mostly based on my impression of her SM) and where she ends up in the ranking order is irrelevant to me in terms of likability.

by quietpal Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:27 pm

For me, I don't look at any of the women as being too good for Nick. Maybe not compatible with him but not too good. I've only seen the side of these women that tp have chosen to show me. I don't know how they are in real life. Even the so-called sweet and nice ones. They're on a highly unnecessary, scripted made-up dramatized show which for most will open up many schilling opportunities. Sell your soul and you too can be a part of the MMS (make money schilling) group. In that regard Nick and the ladies are even to me.

by **GuardianAngel** Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:32 pm

Lara wrote:
GuardianAngel wrote:Re Corrine - How do we know this?

Lara wrote:

She was born in 1991, so she turned 25 right around when filming ended in mid-November. Not super old, but knowing she was 2 months away from 25 doesn't make me feel she can blame this completely on immaturity.

I don't think she's a b*tch either. She seems well-liked by most of the girls on Instagram; I just think she's attention-seeking and desperate, which is my least favorite combination in women. IMO.

It's on her IG.

I'm not sure where you mean on her IG. I don't see anything other than the pic of her on JK and Jennifer Aniston shows she's 24 and how do we know she turned 25 when filming ended?

by notarose Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:37 pm

quietpal wrote:For me, I don't look at any of the women as being too good for Nick. Maybe not compatible with him but not too good. I've only seen the side of these women that tp have chosen to show me. I don't know how they are in real life. Even the so-called sweet and nice ones. They're on a highly unnecessary, scripted made-up dramatized show which for most will open up many schilling opportunities. Sell your soul and you too can be a part of the MMS (make money schilling) group. In that regard Nick and the ladies are even to me.

IMO anyone who makes the choice to go on the show does so because they think it will be good for them therefore no one is "too good for the show". Also, IMO people either are good together or not good together but basically people are never "too good" because it's my belief that a person's value is not on a scale of 1-10, rather people are equal but different.

by AllAboutLove Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:41 pm

I may be in a minority but I think Ep 2 was just part of the script to showcase Nick's journey on this show... thinking with his small Nick to actually being serious about finding a wife. That Vanessa in the preview just happens to be the one to ask him this very question and Nick doesn't take Corinne to F3 (so no FD) shows me that Nick's storyline will be that of putting the past and bad boy type ways behind him to being serious about finding a wife and not just a good time in his "journey" of finding the one.

In a way I see it as a progression of Nick-makes-mistakes to Nick-finds-the-one and HEA. It's why I just ignore all the noise in these early episodes because it's all just filler to me (and honestly I don't think Nick was into any of it this episode, he looked like he was just going through the motions to showcase this progression on his journey, IMO).

by hae1001 Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:49 pm

@GuardianAngel on her instagram account she has a few posts that reveal her age. Here is one from November 2012 where she celebrated her 21st birthday, which would make her 25. Post
Also, the photo that was discussed pre show on here about whether she had lip fillers, was captioned "lips established in 1991" Post

by coolangel Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:24 pm

@mindless and @lleyki, I love your posts! ITA! yes

Everyone's moral compass is different and what might be considered wrong by one person could be perfectly fine for another person. As long as Nick's 'person' (for lack of a better word) does not have a problem with his views/past, it's no one else's business IMO. I don't think the number of people you have hooked up with is an indicator as to whether you deserve love or not IMO. It's also not an indicator for whether you will have successful relationships or not IMO.

One thing I found interesting over the past two episodes is how Nick is letting the women take the lead in each relationship IMO. He is kinda just sitting there/observing and going with the direction they go in IMO. With the cerebral ones so far(IMO) like Vanessa,Rachel,Danielle M,Raven and Taylor, he engages in conversations. With Corinne and Jasmine G who seem interested in making out, he does that. With Alexis who goofs around, he participates in her goofy antics. He doesn't have a universal approach and I liked that. Smiley

All JMO.

by OnePromise Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:33 pm

@coolangel

Yes! I agree about Nick letting the women take the reins. He is watching and evaluating each woman to find out what makes them tick and how a relationship would truely be with each one. He is making it about them. Not about him. A good way to find out which women are a good fit for him. Smart move.

by OnePromise Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:37 pm

I believe that Nick knows what his decisions (to give Corrine the first group date rose and play along with her antics) are going to do to the other women. He knows it's going to piss them off. Put them under pressure. And bring out their true colors. Nick is looking for a wife. Not just a nice looking arm trophy for tv appearances. He wants to know what each woman is made of. Best way to do that... turn up the heat. Corrine definitely has that covered.

by lleyki Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:38 pm

I just think it's interesting that Nick is already being dismissed as only interested in sex, not good enough, etc. like nothing else happened in the episode. It doesn't matter that he picked mild, quiet and sweet Danielle M. for a one on one and they had a really nice date.

That he seemed to have a nice time with the women on the second group date with no over the top making out shenanigans, until of course he was distracted by the Liz saga. And the Liz saga no matter what one's moral indignation about ONS, was not his fault because he didn't ask her to come on the show and certainly didn't seem thrilled about it.

I do think the Corinne mess got annoying and tedious but some are acting like Nick just sucked face with everyone with no conversation and that is not the case. In fact, outside of Corinne's drunken antics, he seemed to have nice and honest conversations with all of the women and genuinely asking them about themselves.

by Cocoasneeze Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:55 pm

I liked how engaging conversations he had with the women, how good he is at all kinds of talk. He's good for banter, flirty naughty talk, and he's really good in the personal conversations. He has a good amount of serious career women, who perhaps have that side figured out well, and he seemed actually interested in them and their careers and lives.

by quietpal Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:01 pm

notarose wrote:IMO anyone who makes the choice to go on the show does so because they think it will be good for them therefore no one is "too good for the show". Also, IMO people either are good together or not good together but basically people are never "too good" because it's my belief that a person's value is not on a scale of 1-10, rather people are equal but different.

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