Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 2 Jan 9th - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

The lead going into a contestants room and having sex, not once but twice, dumping him for the one who was always the one, and then dissing him and continues to diss him, a year later IMO is the ultimate trash.  We also had a lead look through a porn magazine to which the contestant was fully naked. Pretty trashy IMHO.

Kashathediva wrote:When those ladies(I shudder using that term for Kaitlyn or Ashley I) took off their clothes, they were not being embraced and in the arms of the lead. Therein, lies the difference.
Viewers were taken aback seeing Ben F and Courtney skinny dip and do whatever it was in the ocean. This pool scene was closer to that, IMO, than what Ashley I or Kaitlyn did. IMO And it was being viewed by the group. It was not private.
Just for reference this is what Ali's blog stated:

Overall, I am pretty disappointed with how some of the girls are handling themselves. Brittany asked Nick whose boobs were better – hers or Corrine. Corrine got naked on her first date. And Lacey said “what if I had taken my shirt off, would I have gotten the rose?” I know she was trying to make a point suggesting that’s what Nick wants (and I think Lacey is very sweet). But in general there is just too much focus on sexuality this season already. Even the boob birthday thing at the end. It was funny and I can appreciate humor, but again, it seems like too much for it only being the 2nd episode. As a mom, I sat there and watched the showing thinking, I never want my daughter to think she has to behave this way to find a good man. I’m not trying to put the girls down by calling them out on this either. It just makes me sad I guess. I hope they all know they are better than this.

I'll add mention of some of the girls that exited the limo and used sexual innuendos or references by way of introducing who they were.  If they approached a man in a bar or supermarket and introduced themselves the same way...well...RL?

I don't really want to get into a contest of "who is trashier?". Whatever Kaitlyn or Ben/Courtney might have done, at least it wasn't in front of everyone. IMO. It's good to have differing opinions!

Lara wrote:Forgive me, in your original post you said "what was he supposed to do?", so that is what I was answering.

I don't believe Ali blamed anyone other than the girls for the sexuality in the season. I do believe it's partly Nick's fault, because Ashley I and Kaitlyn took off their clothes on Chris's season on a truth/dare, but Chris didn't make it creepy and the season didn't seem, IMO, as trashy and sexual as this one. That's my opinion, not Ali's.  

The producers up the trash/sex/drama quotient every season, regardless of the lead. I knew that Nick's season would be raunchy, well because it was Nick and he brought sexy back. I didn't know how the sex would be manifested, but I knew there would be plenty of it (or insinuations of), one way or another. If not by Nick, it would be brought by the women. I honestly, thought/think that Nick knew this as well  and probably did everything in his power to stay clear of any type of inappropriate sexual stuff since by now he knows how tptb operate and how this is his last swing at the Bachelor bat. He wants that DWTS gig so he has to keep it relatively classy. If he actually fell seriously for someone, that would also be an incentive.

Ultimately, the onus of responsibility falls on the contestants themselves. The producers can egg you on all they want, but they can't make you get drunk or take off your clothes or have sex. I don't want to hear any whining from any of them for their stupid choices. That is one of the reasons I like Nick. Yes, he may make dumb choices, but at least he owns them and doesn't blame anyone else but himself.

@Sprite I like your post.

@Sprite Exactly. And Corrine has already started with the poor me, I've been through a lot. So is that a reason to get drunk and naked on TV because she's been through a lot? Foolish IMO

GuardianAngel wrote:@Sprite Exactly. And Corrine has already started with the poor me, I've been through a lot. So is that a reason to get drunk and naked on TV because she's been through a lot? Foolish IMO

To me she is just another drunk, spoiled brat who has no self awareness and no filter. Next season there will be another one. They are a dime a dozen. Tptb chew them up and spit them out.

I know plenty of people who have been through a lot and I don't see them making an azz of themselves on national television. Dani is an example.

GuardianAngel wrote:The lead going into a contestants room and having sex, not once but twice, dumping him for the one who was always the one, and then dissing him and continues to diss him, a year later IMO is the ultimate trash.  We also had a lead look through a porn magazine to which the contestant was fully naked. Pretty trashy IMHO.

I know for a fact that kaitlyn did not have sex with nick and ben during FS. Not that this changed anything but i mean every single lead made a mistake somewhere during the process some big some small. My only problem is producers and why they want to show us all these nasty things. Why not show more of danielles 1 on 1, or more of conversations... They make these stupid story lines and only focus on that.

Unless your Ben, Nick or Kaitlyn, or where in the room with them all night, not sure one can say you know for a fact.  Becasue even they could lie about it.  Kaitlyn made mention of multiple times she and Nick got together during the show.  So if you have some sort of proof to refute her own words, not that I remember where or when she said it now, I'd love to see it.  And I'm sure I'm probably not the only one.

It's been said repeatedly, MF did not start the show with the idea of a love story being the focus.  If you get one great, but he likes and cares more for the trashy, ratings grabbing stuff, IMO.  

JMO

Ladybug82 wrote:Unless your Ben, Nick or Kaitlyn, or where in the room with them all night, not sure one can say you know for a fact.  Becasue even they could lie about it.  Kaitlyn made mention of multiple times she and Nick got together during the show.  So if you have some sort of proof to refute her own words, not that I remember where or when she said it now, I'd love to see it.  And I'm sure I'm probably not the only one.

It's been said repeatedly, MF did not start the show with the idea of a love story being the focus.  If you get one great, but he likes and cares more for the trashy, ratings grabbing stuff, IMO.  

JMO

What i know is more than just an assumption. I don't want to turn nicks page to kaitlyns season but i can email the stuff that i know. Sure she got together with both shawn and nick but just to assume she had sex everytime is not right.
Exactly right about MF, but i wonder why?! don't we all like love story, positivity and happiness.

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Lara wrote:

bluwavz wrote:I'm torn on how to feel about Corinne. I don't think she's a bad or mean person. I don't buy that she's a bitch. I think she's just too try hard or thinks that's what a woman should do to get a man's interest. I don't know. I don't care for her but I can't say I completely dislike her either. She was 23 during filming? She still has a lot of time to grow up and mature. I was just annoyed with the focus on her and I blame TPTB more for that than anything. If only they knew moderation and didn't beat us over the head constantly when it comes to the "villains" of this show.

All JMO.

She was born in 1991, so she turned 25 right around when filming ended in mid-November. Not super old, but knowing she was 2 months away from 25 doesn't make me feel she can blame this completely on immaturity.

I don't think she's a b*tch either. She seems well-liked by most of the girls on Instagram; I just think she's attention-seeking and desperate, which is my least favorite combination in women. IMO.

Yeah, she's running out of time to use her age as an excuse. I'm sure she can be nice and just as passionate about her friendships as... everything else, but I did see some b!tchy tendencies. The faces she was making when Brittany walked in in her tiny outfit and when she was being photographed, the constant interrupting of people and then getting pissed when Taylor interrupted her, when she'd literally just done it herself, not to mention the condescending speech. I loved how it was met with complete silence. I think that says a lot about the maturity of the other women that they didn't waste one breath on her. No point trying to reason with someone who's that drunk and illogical. I think they mostly just pity her and are too busy wondering what it says about Nick that he's rewarding her behaviour to direct much anger at her. And yes, I definitely blame the show for shoving her down our throats half the episode, but that's just what they do, try to squeeze out every drop of drama out of a controversial person while they're still there. It just gets so tedious, since it happens every season. JMO.

I so agree with bolded. Come on Fleiss and company. You are making some cash on this show. Spend a bit and come with some new storyboards. Tedious is the word.