Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

by Beagle Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:32 pm

ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:
ironcat wrote:I also don't believe Nick was faking the tears, but I suspect that they were a result of a lot of mixed emotions he was feeling at the time, and perhaps included some guilt. As was said, this happened right after having spent the night in the FS, so who knows what they discussed and what Nick implied he was feeling to Jen that night (and morning after) regarding the future only to dump her? And I still think that Nick was made to realize by producers (perhaps subtly) that breaking up with Jen was the only ending for him on BIP that would allow him to still be in consideration for the next lead, and he might have felt guilty about going that route. And before anybody says anything, in no way do I think he should have gone the fake engagement route instead, but had he cared more about Jen than he did about being the Bachelor, he could have (and would have IMO) fought to have the "let's just date in the real world and see where it goes" ending that has been done before. It's obvious to me that his feelings for Jen were less important than his desire to be the next lead, and there's nothing wrong with that, but he may have felt guilty about it (since I agree that he is an emotional kind of guy who would take that to heart). Again, JMO.

I don't think let's just date is an option they are allowed to use in BIP. They specifically tell you either you get engaged or you go your separate ways. That's the only way they could get some people to commit in the end.

That's incorrect, because they have used it before in both the previous seasons. Examples- Michelle/Cody, Nick/Samantha and Justin/Cassandra. Maybe they took it off the table this season, but Nick could have protested if he really liked Jen that much, but he obviously didn't, IMO.

Oops, my bad then, I don't remember seeing the ending of those seasons, I barely could get through them because I wasn't interested in most of the cast. Sadly for Jen, Nick wasn't interested in her like he was with Andi and Kaitlyn.

by charriotoffire Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:47 pm

umngirl wrote:They felt like fake tears he was trying to force. If that's what he's gonna do during his season I hope he is taking acting lessons because it was terrible IMO.

I really hope he'll put this crocodile tears situation to a minimum or it will grow old fast. It seems to me he equates sincerity to producing copious tears. People do not really care about Jen or his connection to her or the fact that they boinked in BIP. Everybody knows they're just casually hanging out, there's no need to be emotional about ending it, really.

I really can't wait for Nick's season. I always think he will be a great Bachelor. However, I have really high expectations for him to deliver and find the 'one' already. For me the only desired outcome of him being the bachelor is for him to find his soulmate and she should be someone perfect and someone I will adore. This is his fourth attempt and I will not accept anything less than that. Praying

PS: by crocodile tears I meant, insincere half meant display of emotions in an attempt to look good while rejecting someone. We all know what it looks like. But if its tears of joy for finding his true luurve then by all means bring it on.

by dw_a_mom Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:24 pm

Beagle wrote:
ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:

I don't think let's just date is an option they are allowed to use in BIP. They specifically tell you either you get engaged or you go your separate ways. That's the only way they could get some people to commit in the end.

That's incorrect, because they have used it before in both the previous seasons. Examples- Michelle/Cody, Nick/Samantha and Justin/Cassandra. Maybe they took it off the table this season, but Nick could have protested if he really liked Jen that much, but he obviously didn't, IMO.

Oops, my bad then, I don't remember seeing the ending of those seasons, I barely could get through them because I wasn't interested in most of the cast. Sadly for Jen, Nick wasn't interested in her like he was with Andi and Kaitlyn.

This show believes it constantly has to up its game. There is definitely evidence that they created new pressure this season by telling the contestants it was get engaged or stop seeing each other, no middle ground. It doesn't matter that it wasn't that way in past seasons.

by MonicaJM2001 Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:40 pm

GrownAzzMan wrote:I'm confused. If he was trying to make himself look better to be the Bachelor wouldn't he have not gone on the last FS date at all? Or if he had to go to the end he could have said they would just be talking or whatever. How does going to the end and breaking up with her make him look better? Anyway, I saw no chemistry between them throughout the 10 days they were together and she lives in FL so I wasn't expecting him to say he wanted to date her after the show. She didn't seem into it either. IMO

I think he was sincere in going to the Fantasy Suite to get more alone time and serious conversation time with Jen. In a prior conversation with the guys he even said something to that point that he needed to have some meaningful conversation about him and Jen. Even if there was serious make out/sexy session, there was still also plenty of discussion opportunity to figure out where to go as far as the relationship and whether to commit or not.

by MonicaJM2001 Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:50 pm

Beagle wrote:
ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:

I don't think let's just date is an option they are allowed to use in BIP. They specifically tell you either you get engaged or you go your separate ways. That's the only way they could get some people to commit in the end.

That's incorrect, because they have used it before in both the previous seasons. Examples- Michelle/Cody, Nick/Samantha and Justin/Cassandra. Maybe they took it off the table this season, but Nick could have protested if he really liked Jen that much, but he obviously didn't, IMO.

Oops, my bad then, I don't remember seeing the ending of those seasons, I barely could get through them because I wasn't interested in most of the cast. Sadly for Jen, Nick wasn't interested in her like he was with Andi and Kaitlyn.

In past season they have been allowed to just date that is true, but IMO it felt like this season they may have upped the ante in that you either go all or nothing which could have helped the 3 engagements outcome. When I read RS spoilers initially, his description made me think that as well, just the way he worded it.

Edited: If I had just scrolled down a little further I could have just written "ditto!" to dw_a_mom post!

by Nibbles22 Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:12 pm

Yes, and AshleyI stated in her blog that they were told to GTFO if they had no intentions of getting engaged the following day. Needless to say, Wells high-tailed it!! giggling

So, yeah they weren't really given that option this year by the sounds of it.

by albean99 Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:25 pm

That's just dumb. Of course, there's nothing stopping them from leaving and then dating irl if they want.

It's possible that Jen could have been "the one" for Nick but don't think he wanted that if he was potentially up for TB. I'm not convinced he's really looking for HEA right now but guess we'll see.

by stuckinsc Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:37 pm

Nibbles22 wrote:Yes, and AshleyI stated in her blog that they were told to GTFO if they had no intentions of getting engaged the following day. Needless to say, Wells high-tailed it!! So, yeah they weren't really given that option this year by the sounds of it.

albean99 wrote:That's just dumb. Of course, there's nothing stopping them from leaving and then dating irl if they want.

It's possible that Jen could have been "the one" for Nick but don't think he wanted that if he was potentially up for TB. I'm not convinced he's really looking for HEA right now but guess we'll see.

Agree @albean99. And AI just wants an excuse why Wells ran as far as he could as fast as he could. IMO.

by Stacia620 Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:49 pm

albean99 wrote:That's just dumb. Of course, there's nothing stopping them from leaving and then dating irl if they want.

It's possible that Jen could have been "the one" for Nick but don't think he wanted that if he was potentially up for TB. I'm not convinced he's really looking for HEA right now but guess we'll see.

I agree. He may regret this in the future. I think he even said one of his biggest fears is that he may regret letting her go.

by Guest Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:06 am

There was no chemistry with Jen that I saw. If others saw it I did not. IMO. If the magic is not there for him, I can't be mad at him if he was not feeling it.

by Stacia620 Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:19 am

reason wrote:There was no chemistry with Jen that I saw. If others saw it I did not. IMO. If the magic is not there for him, I can't be mad him if he was not feeling it.

Yeah, I agree. I thought there would be more chemistry between them. They certainly looked good together, but Nick seemed distant and he also looked as if something was weighing on his mind.

by stuckinsc Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:24 am

JMO, if there was no chemistry then why want to go to the tree house room, why the making out and butt grabbing, and why bother with a fantasy suite? Was it all just so he could stay until the end? I agree he did not fall for her like he did Andi, but IMO there was chemistry, but we didn't get the Nick all in we saw before, but there was physical attraction.

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