Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

I wonder if he was not that into her, if he could have ended it sooner, he didn't seem like he was close to proposing. So why take it to that point? Would have made him being the Bachelor a little more genuine IMO.

Seabear wrote:Nick has mentioned repeatedly that AshleyI is one of his close friends. Perhaps she can give Nick some lessons on crying on cue....she is a pro. I'm very surprised Nick let Jen lay her heart on the line before he flat out rejected her. Super lame after all his complaints in the past. JMO

It was expected, though. How else could that go down? ... Did he say he's sorry?

Duke702 wrote:I wonder if he was not that into her, if he could have ended it sooner, he didn't seem like he was close to proposing. So why take it to that point? Would have made him being the Bachelor a little more genuine IMO.

I think he addressed that when he said goodbye. He was hoping it would turn into something. I know many think he turned her down because he was knew he was going to be TB, but based on what Luke said, that really wasn't the case.

@HappyGoLucky Nick went a step further and said she deserves better (imo, meaning deserves someone who is 100% into her and no doubts) and I can see Nick doing the same thing as lead which is something that Sharleen alluded to in recap post about Nick being the Bachelor.

So to tie it into the topic of Nick as the Bachelor and lead I can see Nick being someone who, if it is totally not there, will be honest and at the same time be mindful of that person's feelings and validate that it is not anything wrong with them at all and that "they deserve the world" (something Nick tweeted to her after the show).

well, considering the "boom boom room" ... FS wasn't the first time ... and according to the claims of Jen's friend (and mum) ... it wasn't the last time either ... it was nothing like "infamous ATFR" ... so I see no issue ... or someone being blindsided in this situation. More like blinded by the sun.

I also think it's difficult to form a solid relationship if you're not on BiP from the beginning. At least on the Bachelor he will have a chance to get to know the women over a longer period of time.

Getting back to the age thing, I don't think that a 10-year (or so) age gap is a big deal if the younger person has the requisite maturity. It is only problematic if the gap is a lot larger than that.

I have no problem with how Nick dumped Jen. They knew for a very short time, he hoped he'd get more feelings, but didn't. He complimented her, didn't blame her, and has done nothing but praise her. But he didn't develop romantic feelings, sooo...

Don't they always have last minute casting based on the reveal of the lead. I highly doubt TPBP enjoy receiving applications (and asking for them) if they've cast everyone already. They'll have the fodder of IG models etc who want to promo themselves each season, but I think the most genuine ones are cast later on.

I bet the eye squinting is partly due to the extremely hot/dry air, it's horrible, tbh, when your eyes dry out. Jmo.

I have  NO   R-E-S-P-E-C-T  for Nick.

I think he's even a bigger slimeball after BiP. He had MORE time with Jen than he will have with any girl on TB. They get a couple of dates and date others while they are on TB. He just wants to keep "sampling" all the women he can. Yuck, and yuck again. No self respecting women should want him. IMO, he's is a master manipulator.

Many people on TB are FAKE and just want to be on TeeVee. Jen was genuine, and he led her on. Woe is Nick. He couldn't open up to Jen.....What makes him think that he'll open up to 25 wannabees on TV (women on TB)? Imo, he wanted TB gig all along= meh.

Something* happened between picking out the ring and the proposal, it's called a PRODUCER asking him to be the next Bach. Oh, those tears=  
IMO, there is no redemption for Nick. IF he's  serious, he needs to find a woman OFF the TV screen. There are plenty of 30 year old women out there, not on TV, who want to get married. Unless he is sick and has some PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION FETISH ON TV, he needs to get off the TV screen because he's stinking up the place....and yes this is all my opinion and in sticking by it

I don't get it, was Nick supposed to fake it with Jen and continue dating her if he wasn't feeling it? He acknowledges she's amazing, but just not for him. Isn't it better that she gets to find someone who will have romantic feelings for her, instead of being with Nick who wasn't feeling it? That's what dating is.

stuckinsc wrote:I actually understand announcing last week. Mostly this week was about the happy couples, but also, they avoid anyone accidentally point out that he criticised Kaitlyn let him tell her his feelings before dumping him and he turned around and did the same thing to Jen, though a bonus was him crying and having Jen comfort him before he manned up and dumped her. I think he probably was in less danger of being called out on his hypocrisy last week. JMO.

I wouldn't really compare the Jen situation to the Kaitlyn situation. Apples and oranges. Nick and Kaitlyn had a pre-show relationship and a friendship, Kaitlyn knew what he'd been through with Andi, they'd exchanged ILY's several times, met each other's families and she knew he was gonna propose. It was a bit of a betrayal. Obviously producer induced though, so oh well. It's not like Nick made that big a deal of it even, it was mostly his fans who did.

Nick and Jen, on the other hand, had known each other for 10 days, hadn't met families, hadn't exchanged ILY's and he'd been hesitant the whole time. If Jen was really expecting a proposal then she must've been drinking some strong Kool-Aid. I don't think Nick was even expecting her to say she's fallen in love with him at that point. In any case, I thought he was genuinely upset about hurting her. She is lovely, but the spark was just missing. Nick has more personality than half these people combined, yet they were boring together. I'm sure there are far better matches out there for both of them.

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:I actually understand announcing last week. Mostly this week was about the happy couples, but also, they avoid anyone accidentally point out that he criticised Kaitlyn let him tell her his feelings before dumping him and he turned around and did the same thing to Jen, though a bonus was him crying and having Jen comfort him before he manned up and dumped her. I think he probably was in less danger of being called out on his hypocrisy last week. JMO.

I wouldn't really compare the Jen situation to the Kaitlyn situation. Apples and oranges. Nick and Kaitlyn had a pre-show relationship and a friendship, Kaitlyn knew what he'd been through with Andi, they'd exchanged ILY's several times, met each other's families and she knew he was gonna propose. It was a bit of a betrayal. Obviously producer induced though, so oh well. It's not like Nick made that big a deal of it even, it was mostly his fans who did.

Nick and Jen, on the other hand, had known each other for 10 days, hadn't met families, hadn't exchanged ILY's and he'd been hesitant the whole time. If Jen was really expecting a proposal then she must've been drinking some strong Kool-Aid. I don't think Nick was even expecting her to say she's fallen in love with him at that point. In any case, I thought he was genuinely upset about hurting her. She is lovely, but the spark was just missing. Nick has more personality than half these people combined, yet they were boring together. I'm sure there are far better matches out there for both of them.

I completely agree with the bolded. It was really strange to me that she was expecting a proposal from a man when she herself admitted several times that he didn't seem ready to love again.

It has to be very confusing to Nick when he puts himself out there full force with all of his might to love the past bettes and gets rejected. So naturally, when things are moving much slower with Jen, he must have thought to himself "maybe this is how long lasting love starts" and tried to make it work even when he just wasn't really feeling it IMO. If he dated her before getting rejected twice by those women in the past he probably would have ended things with her much sooner, but because he doesn't trust his romantic feelings anymore the relationship lasted too long IMO.

Ariela wrote:I have  NO   R-E-S-P-E-C-T  for Nick.

I think he's even a bigger slimeball after BiP. He had MORE time with Jen than he will have with any girl on TB. They get a couple of dates and date others while they are on TB. He just wants to keep "sampling" all the women he can. Yuck, and yuck again. No self respecting women should want him. IMO, he's is a master manipulator.

Many people on TB are FAKE and just want to be on TeeVee. Jen was genuine, and he led her on. Woe is Nick. He couldn't open up to Jen.....What makes him think that he'll open up to 25 wannabees on TV (women on TB)? Imo, he wanted TB gig all along= meh.

Something* happened between picking out the ring and the proposal, it's called a PRODUCER asking him to be the next Bach. Oh, those tears=  
IMO, there is no redemption for Nick. IF he's  serious, he needs to find a woman OFF the TV screen. There are plenty of 30 year old women out there, not on TV, who want to get married. Unless he is sick and has some PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION FETISH ON TV, he needs to get off the TV screen because he's stinking up the place....and yes this is all my opinion and in sticking by it

I know there are plenty of men I went out with for weeks,months and in a case or two, years, where the feelings never developed to more concluding in marriage. I am sure I am not the only one to be guilty of this.
Better to be alone and happy, IMO, that with someone and making you both miserable.