Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

sosleepy wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:I actually understand announcing last week. Mostly this week was about the happy couples, but also, they avoid anyone accidentally point out that he criticised Kaitlyn let him tell her his feelings before dumping him and he turned around and did the same thing to Jen, though a bonus was him crying and having Jen comfort him before he manned up and dumped her. I think he probably was in less danger of being called out on his hypocrisy last week. JMO.

I imagine part of Nick's overall theme will be the clarity he gains over what Kaitlyn & Andi went through. This is a common theme amongst many lead's story arches, most recently with JoJo who "learned" how Ben could easily fall in love with 2 people.

I also think he seemed genuine with Jen, but what do I know? I think he'll be extremely genuine and have real emotion with the girls he dumps, especially the F4-F2. He's been there. Twice. He knows the suck.

Maybe we will get real emotion, I truly don't know. But Nick has been very vocal on calling out both women who dumped him on the ways they treated him wrong. So for him to do to Jen part of what he criticised Kaitlyn for doing to him is a bit hypocritical to me. It would be nice to hear him admit it and maybe cut both women some slack now. He was by far one of the most vocal and critical F2s the show has had, IMO. And I can't stand Andi and still find Kaitlyn immature, so this is not coming from a great fandom of either woman.

^^ I'm not disagreeing with you, necessarily. My point was I'm willing to bet at some point, maybe as deep as his ATFR he will comment that he has a better understanding of what Kaitlyn and Andi went through. That's common. Nick isn't vile (no pun), he's already admitted some mistakes and owned up to parts of Andi's book on BIP. We gotta give the guy some time to see how he handles his own chapter.

Nick's tears and crying noises were laughable! He needs to work on that because...this will be a long 12 weeks on his season, if that's all he can muster up. Though, I DID find his tears and crying noises for Andi and Kaitlyn to be real. Guess that just proves how much he WASN'T into Jen.. Poor Jen (but not really, cause she's HOT af AND is gonna get a rich man according to her chart. So get it girl!). IMO.

What was up with his constant squeezing his eyes? I thought he had something in his eyes, but was he just fake crying? Oh man

It's so interesting to me how preexisting notions about a person can influence how we perceive anything they do. I didn't think his crying looked fake, but I'm also a Nick fan.

Duke702 wrote:What was up with his constant squeezing his eyes? I thought he had something in his eyes, but was he just fake crying? Oh man

He was trying to squeeze tears out

IMO

Nick has become more attractive, the older he gets..ooh papi. I can't wait to see his season.

My two cents (or forty....) Nick has been doing a lot of squinting the whole season which IMO is what people are seeing and interpreting as "squeezing tears." If you watch past episodes and look at him talking to people on the beach, etc you'll notice the frequent squinting. For me his treatment and emotions towards Jen were sincere and genuine in that final rose situation. I think Jen is a wonderful, beautiful, intelligent girl but I don't get how Jen thought a proposal could be near when they both the night before were discussing living on opposite sides of the country and how long distance will be a challenge indicating neither were about to up and move for the other which I would think getting engaged would require. JMO. Nick did the right thing tonight. He finally had a woman love him or admit to falling in love with him and he easily could have just went with it and taken the "win" so to speak of finally not being rejected and maybe just hoped the potential would create itself but instead he respected himself and Jen enough to be honest about where he was and his feelings. This was filmed back in June, long before IMO Nick being the Bachelor was ever even a thought. His saying goodbye was because he felt the relationship wasn't what it should be to continue on or in the nature of the show get engaged. He told her she deserved better and some may think he's just giving her lip service, etc but when you think about it she does deserve better in that there is someone out there who can return her strong feelings and love her equally just like any of us want to be loved just as much as we love others.

I just realized my post is in the Bachelor thread and discussion of BIP so I moved it over to Nick's BIP thread.

AllAboutLove wrote:

Duke702 wrote:What was up with his constant squeezing his eyes? I thought he had something in his eyes, but was he just fake crying? Oh man

Imo, I think that while Nick was crying sweat was rolling into his eyes and making his eyes hurt and perhaps because Nick has really sensitive eyes which I think he may have since he seems to squint a lot when it is bright which makes me think it could be the reason and if so I can relate since the I have really sensitive eyes and if it is bright my eyes always hurt and even when I do hot yoga or cycling I always wear a headband because it hurts excruciatingly if even a droplet of sweat goes into my eyes.

It must be a Nick/Nickchick thing because my eyes are super sensitive outside too. I remember reading no sunglasses for them due to being on camera/etc but constant sun exposure coupled with sensitive eyes can be very daunting at times .

Duke702 wrote:What was up with his constant squeezing his eyes? I thought he had something in his eyes, but was he just fake crying? Oh man

Anyone with eyes could see that Nick wasn't as into Jen as she was him, and I am not sure that Nick could have done anything different in that situation. He may have stopped her sooner but people would've criticized that as well. I think his emotions were real, he liked her but not enough to continue the relationship, and clearly he didnt want to hurt her.

Nick has mentioned repeatedly that AshleyI is one of his close friends. Perhaps she can give Nick some lessons on crying on cue....she is a pro.  I'm very surprised Nick let Jen lay her heart on the line before he flat out rejected her.  Super lame after all his complaints in the past.
JMO