Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

Tiggerlgh wrote:Do we know why they announced him as the bachelor while he was still on BIP?  

If filming starts in the next week or so, the early announcement even as he's still on BIP in a relationship was to find some women specifically for Nick, IMO. Elan tweeted either the night of or the next day after last week's announcement that they were entering a final leg of casting. If the show was, in fact, up in the air until the last minute on their desired Bachelor, many of the women could have been selected with Luke or Chase in mind.

veg_out wrote:

Tiggerlgh wrote:Do we know why they announced him as the bachelor while he was still on BIP?  

If filming starts in the next week or so, the early announcement even as he's still on BIP in a relationship was to find some women specifically for Nick, IMO. Elan tweeted either the night of or the next day after last week's announcement that they were entering a final leg of casting. If the show was, in fact, up in the air until the last minute on their desired Bachelor, many of the women could have been selected with Luke or Chase in mind.

Yes, Fleiss confirmed it was for casting purposes.

^^ I highly doubt it was for casting purposes. They had the show cast before announcing it, as final casting was in the beginning of August. They might have switched up a few girls just for Nick, from the girls they went to final casting though so not any new people just applying now. Unless they do any last minute semi famous people they would give special treatment to, or returnees. Someone else here mentioned that they prob wanted to focus on the "shocking" 3 engaged couples this week and not the new Bachelor. So when they decided on Nick, they just didn't care that much that it would spoil it. All Jmo.

Beagle wrote:

veg_out wrote:

Tiggerlgh wrote:Do we know why they announced him as the bachelor while he was still on BIP?  

If filming starts in the next week or so, the early announcement even as he's still on BIP in a relationship was to find some women specifically for Nick, IMO. Elan tweeted either the night of or the next day after last week's announcement that they were entering a final leg of casting. If the show was, in fact, up in the air until the last minute on their desired Bachelor, many of the women could have been selected with Luke or Chase in mind.

Yes, Fleiss confirmed it was for casting purposes.

Thanks to both!

Duke702 wrote:^^ I highly doubt it was for casting purposes. They had the show cast before announcing it, as final casting was in the beginning of August. They might have switched up a few girls just for Nick, from the girls they went to final casting though so not any new people just applying now. Unless they do any last minute semi famous people they would give special treatment to, or returnees. Someone else here mentioned that they prob wanted to focus on the "shocking" 3 engaged couples this week and not the new Bachelor. So when they decided on Nick, they just didn't care that much that it would spoil it. All Jmo.

Re the bold, do we know that for a fact?

Sleuthers have found a few that are applying for Nick, in the Potential Contestants NO Discussion thread.

Filming starts end of September. They IMo would have cast for Luke since he was the favourite since filming of JoJo's season started. IMO those handful of semi normal girls (the rest are IMO simply for drama) would be very different girls than what they would cast for Nick's season. We know for a fact, people drop out, other's are let go, all last minute. I can confirmed at least two dropped out for JoJo's season the day before they were to fly out when they found out it was JoJo.

They always start casting months ahead of time regardless of who the Bachelor is, from what I have heard. The girls they cast the final 25-30 from, are from final casting, they switch those 50 or so girls around depending on who the Bachelor ends up being. They never decide FOR SURE who the Bachelor is until around this time. So they bring a variety of girls to the final casting. So if people dropped out for JoJo's season, they prob just pulled from guys that were in final casting.

I know some people who have gone to final casting in the past, and some girls who were not picked because they changed who the Bachelor was. So yea they might change who Nick's  5 or so "real deal, wifey" girls are, but those would still be girls in the final casting process--not girls who just applied last week. Yea maybe some lucky girl might get on last minute, but i doubt that because they do all the psychological testing/STD testing/background checks during final casting and they don't have much time to do that now. Even Ashley I said in an interview that she applied for Juan Pablo's season originally, but she was too late so they put her on the next year. This is all from what I have heard.

Duke702 wrote:They always start casting months ahead of time regardless of who the Bachelor is, from what I have heard. The girls they cast the final 25-30 from, are from final casting, they switch those 50 or so girls around depending on who the Bachelor ends up being. They never decide FOR SURE who the Bachelor is until around this time. So they bring a variety of girls to the final casting. So if people dropped out for JoJo's season, they prob just pulled from guys that were in final casting.

I know some people who have gone to final casting in the past, and some girls who were not picked because they changed who the Bachelor was. So yea they might change who Nick's  5 or so "real deal, wifey" girls are, but those would still be girls in the final casting process--not girls who just applied last week. Yea maybe some lucky girl might get on last minute, but i doubt that because they do all the psychological testing/STD testing/background checks during final casting and they don't have much time to do that now. Even Ashley I said in an interview that she applied for Juan Pablo's season originally, but she was too late so they put her on the next year. This is all from what I have heard.

Yes, they also keep a pool of cast. BUT--that does not mean they don't throw out a last minute net for cast that might be "it" whatever "it" is. That could that one person to be a great 'Ette for 2017, the great dramatist, or the F1.
Maybe they won't find anyone last minute, but then maybe they will and many times they have found a great cast person without the normal cast and application process taking place. And---those silly tests take a couple hours to do and can easily be done wham bam if the find a person they want.

I actually understand announcing last week. Mostly this week was about the happy couples, but also, they avoid anyone accidentally point out that he criticised Kaitlyn let him tell her his feelings before dumping him and he turned around and did the same thing to Jen, though a bonus was him crying and having Jen comfort him before he manned up and dumped her. I think he probably was in less danger of being called out on his hypocrisy last week. JMO.

If you want to call that crying, tptb better have "ready-tears", water, onions whatever that can induce tears during the bachelor so that he can actually have tears when dumping the woman, poor boy couldn't make any tears no matter how hard he tried

lexforlife wrote:If you want to call that crying, tptb better have "ready-tears", water, onions whatever that can induce tears during the bachelor so that he can actually have tears when dumping the woman, poor boy couldn't make any tears no matter how hard he tried

Oh I agree, it was crocodile tears at best, I just sat there thinking, you are dumping her man up and stop making her comfort you. I feel like he will be like one on the bachelorette leads making the women comfort him for his trauma of breaking up with them. Which by the way, I actually don't blame him for breaking up if he wasn't feeling it, just his oh poor me way of doing it. But Nick is always the victim in his mind. All is JMO.

They (leads) all get better at the ramping up the emotion each time they let someone go, the more practice they get and the further into the seaso we get with those they might actually like or feel something for, IMO.  Some are really genuinely sad and upset, others just fake it.  So it'll either be laugh worthy like Jake kicking that lamp or chair or whatever in his temper tantrum when he had to let was it Katrine go.  Or maybe eye roll worthy like the idiot farmer.  Or maybe true emotion and verbally over sharing like Ben H.  Or even like JoJo were it was both eye roll and laugh worthy, but her genuine needy, OTT, cry fest and in general emotions just all over the place.  

He has plenty of past footage to study and help relate and prep himself from.  

I actually hope we get to see real, true emotion but who knows.  JMO

stuckinsc wrote:I actually understand announcing last week. Mostly this week was about the happy couples, but also, they avoid anyone accidentally point out that he criticised Kaitlyn let him tell her his feelings before dumping him and he turned around and did the same thing to Jen, though a bonus was him crying and having Jen comfort him before he manned up and dumped her. I think he probably was in less danger of being called out on his hypocrisy last week. JMO.

I imagine part of Nick's overall theme will be the clarity he gains over what Kaitlyn & Andi went through. This is a common theme amongst many lead's story arches, most recently with JoJo who "learned" how Ben could easily fall in love with 2 people.

I also think he seemed genuine with Jen, but what do I know? I think he'll be extremely genuine and have real emotion with the girls he dumps, especially the F4-F2. He's been there. Twice. He knows the suck.