The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

Wow GA - you are good !

Good catch GA!  Not that the sun didn't make it obvious that Jordan was later in those pics, but now we have confirmation!  

Still doesn't help with what she's saying to each in preview and the rag mag and the sleeve/seam discussion but one more thing checked off!  

Kashathediva wrote:

julychild wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I personally, would love to hear your findings @Julychild.
I never pick a fav and only really care about sleuthing, so if you would not mind break it all down for me. Please.
I love to follow the geometry of the season. 
Thank you.

I wanted to bring the pics, but not in a position to do so right now. Pics are in the no discussion thread, but to break it down:
* Grace and co had determined from the 1st preview that there were 2 guys in blue suites
* Grace said one suite had a seam in the sleeve and the other didn't. Looking at pics, a lot of posters agreed with her on this
* We said the hand (no seam) was Robby's because of hair on hand, and direction of vein. Not sure, but think they said it forks towards his ring finger?
* New preview shows Jojo looking distressed while talking to seam in sleeve guy (Jordan)
* Also shows Jojo crying but smiling while talking to no seam guy (Robby)
* Litta, in the non-spoiled side, has SC of side of face of no seam guy and it looks like Robby because of facial hair


I drew my conclusion based on all of these. All of this could be wrong, but it's where the SC's (ALONE) have led me to right now.

Just to devil's advocate it:
In many past seasons the lead is shown upset at the FRC with one cast person--so it leads the audience to think that is the F2, but it is the F1. 
And when the lead is shown smiling at the cast person at the FRC, the audience is led to believe that is the F1, until the lead says--"BUT---

So could this be the case again?

Yup, that could be the case. Could bring in some other variables into the convo, but trying to ignore all the other clues and spoilers and focusing solely on the sc's. Sort of like an unspoiled person.

IA @Kashathediva She could be talking to Jordan and starts off by saying something which makes him think this isn't going to go good. Des/Chris comes to mind.

Awesome find GA! She obviously wasn't THAT crazy devastated IMO as it was only an hour turnaround to pull herself together for Jordan...

^^I'm pretty sure we decided after blowing up the item under her arm that it was a photo book/journal not a rag mag based upon shape.

I get the concept of 2 men getting rejected at the FRC and am open to the possibility completely but from SM and all other accounts, she is currently dating Jordan. JMO.

If you look at the pockets for the crying caps, they definitely match with Robbys' suit.

Great find on the timing GA. I love the seam theory too July. Hopefully more photos turn up with later time stampings. I don't choose you, I don't choose you, I choose you, I choose the other guy, I choose you after all. Filmed over two hot cry filled days. JK

Another thought...I've thought this whole time that it was Robby being rejected because he's the one identified with his hands as no seam & buttons guy and appears to have video of him turning to walk away from the RC spot. We see him in previews turning his body toward the rose/water. Originally I thought that could possibly mean that he was releasing her hand to propose, but that just seems weird to me. You'd think he would step back to propose if that was the case. Then last night I saw Jojo doing the "rub the back of the arm" thing to Chase. I have noticed her doing that with a lot of the more recent guys she lets go. She did it with James, a little with Luke (more hug-ish), and again last night with Chase. It seems like she does it almost as an apology trying to help the guy feel better when they are talking about being upset during breakup scenes.

I can't pull SCs over right now, but the SCs are on no discussion side (posted by Ladybug on 6/21 at 4:53pm - 3rd, 4th and 5th pics)

I just can't get any other explanation in my mind as to why he would be facing her and then turn his body towards the water instead of her...unless he scooted down the aisle that way (kidding!) I think TP actually gave us a glimpse of Mr. Buttons leaving. Any other ideas? I love the last minute sleuthing...I'm hoping for more promos too so we can figure out exactly what went down!!

GuardianAngel wrote:I am throwing this out there. As per my post upthread, the pics weren't showing up this morning even though I linked them no problem last night.

I decided just now, to save them, and upload them. When I saved them to my desktop, I looked for any info that might be helpful. Sometimes it show information. I hovered over the pic, and noticed this.

JoJo standing smiling May 12 2016 20:21

JoJo walking down the stairs. May 12 2016 21:16

Robby walking towards her May 12 2016 21:42

Jordan walking towards her May 12 2016 22:49

All tagged Episodeic

Great catch, GA!

by JaeO on Wed 27 Jul 2016 - 12:11

If you look at the pockets for the crying caps, they definitely match with Robbys' suit.

Which particular caps?

Thanks GA..... Thats what Id call the smoking gun

Can we identify the colors of both suits as : blue grey suit (jordan) and blue bright suit (robby)?

the one jojo is crying fountain is IMO Mr grey suit....


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