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Post by grace8136 Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:04 am

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if chase has been rejected at the fantasy night... why does she still has 2 roses to offer... are we in for: it is not a one way street speech? why is is such a big deal if she loves the 2 guys in front of her since the 3rd guy is not there to deliver the 2 roses? 2 ROSES = 2 GUYS = NO BRAINSTORMING no? the stunning interruption was mention in US MAGAZINE and we all assume it is Chase. So Chase is NOT standing at the RC? So  my question, again, is (quote) With only two roses to give out, (comma) she must trust her heart and her gut in the end (unquote)..... unless we have a 4th who came back? (the mistake the infamous RS thought luke was in thailand?)
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Having only two roses left and two guys left has been done before. Ali gave  two roses after F3 Frank left. Roberto and ChrisL stood there and she gave them out one at  a time. She will make the famous line, I sent " ..." home. Stunned look by the remaining two.

Same script, different season IMHO.

IA GA.....and having the 2 roses, for her to give out has been done before, as the script is, even though she picks them, they also have to agree to stay and pick her back, so shell give out the two roses Rob and Jordan will accept and move on to the Finale.  same script forsure :yes:

In fairness, HEA included that in her statement above... She said, "are we in for: it is not a one way street speech?"

I don't think we should get so complacent with the same old, same old stuff that we stop looking. Caps don't lie and "the other suit" is in the wrong place. I call it that and not Jordan's because there are no SC to confirm that the other suit is Jordan's yet. I assume it is, but I can't state that as a fact.

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:25 am

HEA wrote:^^ where do you include the sunset walk with a thin bracelet on?

HEA, I'm going to put my answers in red between your questions. I've gotta hand it to you - you really make it all fun! I think the simplest answer is that they took footage of her on the beach at a different time to fill in all the itm stuff. But that's just a guess on my part.

why would she stand on the FRC setting without her shoes on?

We have the SC of her walking onto the frc platform holding her shoes, I think that's what I saw. So she probably didn't want to put them back on with sandy feet. She has to traverse the sand from the staircase to the platform.

why did she stand shoes on with a tabloid/book under her arm and no longer when she is between the 2 buddhas?

My guess is that it was taken before she got down to where she had to walk through the sand.

why is she standing next to the poles/red ribbons?

That shot looked to me like it was made part way down the stairs to the beach. Like, they were filming as she went and she had to stop for itms. Maybe before f2 even arrives.

why did she go on top of the hill for a start unless because the temp was more confortable...... all perfect picture... then all mess crying... then walking to the 2 buddhas probably crying.

is the 2 buddhas the top of possible stairs on top of the beach

Is the top of the hill the beginning of the guy's walk after the car and jojo end up there 2 times... before the arrival and when she accompanied the rejectee?

My opinion on all 3 of these questions is that the buddha area is near where the cars drop the guys off. They go through the buddha area to the stairs that go down to the beach and frc platform. We have her picture perfect at the beginning before F2 arrives, then she walks him to the car and is shown up there in tears. She goes down and walks a little on the beach for more itm stuff, then gets on the platform to wait for f1.

did she wear 2 different dresses?

I thought it looked like the same dress. Just being swept around her differently by the winds.

if she said she fell in love with one and she still love him.... how can she say she loves the other one knowing full well the consequences a la Lauren... did she care at that moment (my answer is probably not)

My take on this is that her storyline is coming full circle. She now understands how Ben could love 2 women but know one is who he wants for life, and she will say something very similar. This is wash, rinse, repeat for tptb. That's as much surmising as I can do, but I'm glad you are still questioning everything!



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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:28 am

grace8136 wrote:

In fairness, HEA included that in her statement above... She said, "are we in for: it is not a one way street speech?"

I don't think we should get so complacent with the same old, same old stuff that we stop looking. Caps don't lie and "the other suit" is in the wrong place. I call it that and not Jordan's because there are no SC to confirm that the other suit is Jordan's yet. I assume it is, but I can't state that as a fact.

thank you, grace.

For me, you gave a fantastic new clue and possible turn to the FRC. As far as I know, I saw no happy excited jojo face with the FRC material... none.... sedated, devastated, crying, upset, bland... but no happy face ready to accept a proposal of the love of her life...

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:12 am

@BKay

sunset walk: it would make sense if this was daylight... thinking who to pick etc... but this is sunset almost end of it and still in her FRC dress, messing it with wet sand with a bracelet. yes it is pretty but the timing does not fit IMO

platorm no shoes: she is standing on the platform and the shoes are next to the rose altar. not dressed to receive any guy IMO

Poles/ribbons
: I think grace and JC have something there. I do not think it is another place for ITM. It is part of the drama IMO

Top of the hill: ok we agree on that. I think indeed that it is the arrival of the guys there and departure. the 2 buddhas looks like an entrance. since we see some large ribbon, I think the pole/red ribbon is at the bottom and I think those are stairs going to the path of the setting. IMO

love 2 guys: agree. we had the 'It would be ironic if you love 2 guys' from CH... from that point, I knew it was the FRC theme. IMO

it is fun to still imagine the FRC and the events and see if we were right or wrong. It is like riding a car. It is fun to ride it and we do not care where we are going, just fun. bestbud!

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:04 am

Woo hoo HEA, I love road trips! Yes, I'm all for speculating until the very end. It keeps it lively while we wait (anxiously) to see what goes down.

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:30 pm

BKay wrote:Woo hoo HEA, I love road trips! Yes, I'm all for speculating until the very end. It keeps it lively while we wait (anxiously) to see what goes down.

sneakyl

Lets play cluedo.. you know that game right? giggling

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:41 pm

It's the same as Clue in the US?

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Post by RealityEscape Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:09 pm

Why did she said at LIVE WITH KELLY that it is typical to say goodbye to ONE or to TWO since we all know that is is NOT typical. How to explain she was truly uncomfortable once she said that.

The first part could simply be comparing letting guys go early on and that later it's typical to walk them out when the numbers are down to one guy leaving at a time. "Can I walk you out?". However, your comment about "truly uncomfortable" doesn't sound like that.

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Post by Ladybug82 Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:49 pm

Truly uncomfortable is one person's opinion.  Like life and everything else around here, we won't all agree. laugh out loud

I went back and watched it because I didn't remember her being that ackward or uncomfortable.  IMO, Jo was simply explaining when you got to the FRC you either let one, the norm, or both go, like Brad 1.0.  Kelly was making it awkward by calling it the alter and when Jojo said one or two, they just made it funny and more awkward by stopping, moving closer and drawing attention to the the fact she said one or two.  I tend to think she was just worried about giving too much away, but not really uncomfortable.  And IMO, it's was a great way to make some think that maybe more goes down than should at the FRC.

Jojo clearly stated right after that she was happy and would do it again.  So, whatever goes down, the end result seems worth it to her.  JMO.


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Post by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:33 pm

I hadn't watched that before and it's a pretty hilarious segment. Jojo didn't seem uncomfortable to me, but was just going along with them and as she stated, she was giving the politically correct answers.

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Post by grace8136 Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:06 pm

HEA wrote:
Mr Write wrote:If I remember rightly the sun height, shadows and tides all suggest that Jojo was walking back to the podium at about 5pm.  Sunset was about 6:50 pm I think. So not much time left in the day. The wind was blowing from the WNW at 6 PM on FRC day, which matches the direction the streamers are blowing.

2 hours between devastated jojo and a potential proposal makes no sense... imo
But it does if she rejected both... imo

The other cap is around 12-1. I PM'd Mr. W about it. I had the GMT set to +5, not +7, so the extra 2 hours puts one around 5 (FRC platform) and the other around 12-1 (streamers & poles).


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Post by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:58 pm

Ladybug82 wrote:Truly uncomfortable is one person's opinion.  Like life and everything else around here, we won't all agree. laugh out loud

I went back and watched it because I didn't remember her being that ackward or uncomfortable.  IMO, Jo was simply explaining when you got to the FRC you either let one, the norm, or both go, like Brad 1.0.  Kelly was making it awkward by calling it the alter and when Jojo said one or two, they just made it funny and more awkward by stopping, moving closer and drawing attention to the the fact she said one or two.  I tend to think she was just worried about giving too much away, but not really uncomfortable.  And IMO, it's was a great way to make some think that maybe more goes down than should at the FRC.

Jojo clearly stated right after that she was happy and would do it again.  So, whatever goes down, the end result seems worth it to her.  JMO.


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I think that the first interviews right after the season ends, that the lead is more defensive and sort of afraid to answer the questions, not because they are unhappy with the results, but because they are afraid of giving something away. Their answers are so measured, and carefully spoken. You really have no idea if they are really in love, or it ended badly. In this scene JoJo just seems nervous and really thinking about each word she says. I think as the season nears the end, you can tell a lot more about how the lead is feeling about the ending of the show. JoJo seems to be getting happier and more at ease in the interviews. She seems happy now!

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