The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

^^This one? Yes, she's carrying her shoes and the rose is still there.

I can do your exact coordinates if you want, but the time of day seemed so different that I figured it was close enough to call the one by the streamers as the earlier cap.

I'm so glad you came back to discuss the screen caps.    



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^^ I wished I was good in math to make some comparison.

Glad you are here too @Mr Write.

Could you please tell us if there are some kind of stairs or wood platforms  access from resort to beaches? Do you think the 2 Buddhas are show staged or possible stairs to go down the beach?

My point is that it looks picture perfect when she stands all make up, shoes on, slit open with the wind blowing, tabloid or scapbook under her arm, saying NO on top of the hill

then we see her walking no shoes at sunset on wet sand in daylight

then we see her no shoes going on the altar and still standing no shoes.

For me both dresses are different but that is me. and again for me, the FRC was made different day, again for me.

So would be happy if you can give us any info about low tides, or hills, or whatever you think you remember

thank you so much. your expertise is always very precious.

and thank you grace and JC for keeping this scap alive and fun.

If I remember rightly the sun height, shadows and tides all suggest that Jojo was walking back to the podium at about 5pm. Sunset was about 6:50 pm I think. So not much time left in the day. The wind was blowing from the WNW at 6 PM on FRC day, which matches the direction the streamers are blowing.

Mr Write wrote:If I remember rightly the sun height, shadows and tides all suggest that Jojo was walking back to the podium at about 5pm.  Sunset was about 6:50 pm I think. So not much time left in the day. The wind was blowing from the WNW at 6 PM on FRC day, which matches the direction the streamers are blowing.

2 hours between devastated jojo and a potential proposal makes no sense... imo
But it does if she rejected both... imo

^^^Makes total sense imo....Jillian had even less time and she had to deal with 2 men to reject, before her Ed came.

The sc of Jo standing on top of the hill near the buddha statues was probably made soon after she got there while waiting on the guys to arrive, much like Chris S doing itms in the barn before Becca came in. Then the sc of her walking barefoot on the beach was imo made shortly after she let the F2 go so they can show how upset she was to hurt him, and how nervous she is that her F1 might not want to propose. Afterward she walks back onto the platform carrying her shoes. It will probably be very simple when we watch it happen, like it usually is.

^^ where do you include the sunset walk with a thin bracelet on?

why would she stand on the FRC setting without her shoes on?

why did she stand shoes on with a tabloid/book under her arm and no longer when she is between the 2 buddhas?

why is she standing next to the poles/red ribbons?

why did she go on top of the hill for a start unless because the temp was more confortable...... all perfect picture... then all mess crying... then walking to the 2 buddhas probably crying.

is the 2 buddhas the top of possible stairs on top of the beach

Is the top of the hill the beginning of the guy's walk after the car and jojo end up there 2 times... before the arrival and when she accompanied the rejectee?

did she wear 2 different dresses?

if she said she fell in love with one and she still love him.... how can she say she loves the other one knowing full well the consequences a la Lauren... did she care at that moment (my answer is probably not)

why do we see the fishboats sails at the sunset with the FRC dress, on the wet sand, probably messing the bottom of her dress (lengh is trailing on the wet sand) with a bracelet VERSUS a walk on the beach with DIFFERENT boats in the background..... did the 2nd proposal was at almost night on the beach? The sunset was already well advanced.. didn't she care to look all pretty for the next proposal??? or did she just came to the conclusion that her unicorn was not the 2 guys she rejected?

Why did she said at LIVE WITH KELLY that it is typical to say goodbye to ONE or to TWO since we all know that is is NOT typical. How to explain she was truly uncomfortable once she said that.


Live with Kelly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7AsEICI6w

JoJo takes her first date on stroll through an authentic floating market. The two try seafood dishes, immerse themselves in the culture and share an intense kiss during a rainstorm. JoJo is overwhelmed and remembers back to when Ben told her he loved her and then broke her heart. Can JoJo be certain this man won’t leave her brokenhearted? The bachelor gives her an unusual memento to remind her of his promise of everlasting love, but will it be enough?

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What is the unusual memento that robby will give her? (a piece of his hair for his everlasting love?   ... ok ok just teasing here)

ABC said about jordan's date:

Her second date in Thailand finds JoJo hiking through one of their beautiful national parks with another of her handsome suitors. They climb up a steep mountain, but are rewarded when they reach a stunning sacred temple hidden in a mystical cave. They discuss their possible future together and the delightful hometown visit they shared. The couple is unable to kiss or be physical inside the hallowed cave. Is their relationship based on physical chemistry, or is there an emotional connection as well? That night after the man gives less than satisfying answers about what he envisions their future to be like, JoJo pressures him. He pours out his heart as he attempts to convince her about how serious he is about their relationship.

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LESS than satisfying answers
ATTEMPTS to convince her

In my book it is NOT positive. If I am wrong, I am ready to hear it.

JoJo needs to come to grips with her overwhelming emotions and the reality that she is in love with more than one amazing man. Will she be able to make the right decision? With only two roses to give out, she must trust her heart and her gut in the end. But before she can give out the first rose, there is a stunning interruption. How will it affect her decision, and will falling madly in love with more than one man derail her dream of finding the love a lifetime?

if chase has been rejected at the fantasy night... why does she still has 2 roses to offer... are we in for: it is not a one way street speech? why is is such a big deal if she loves the 2 guys in front of her since the 3rd guy is not there to deliver the 2 roses? 2 ROSES = 2 GUYS = NO BRAINSTORMING no? the stunning interruption was mention in US MAGAZINE and we all assume it is Chase. So Chase is NOT standing at the RC? So  my question, again, is (quote) With only two roses to give out, (comma) she must trust her heart and her gut in the end (unquote)..... unless we have a 4th who came back? (the mistake the infamous RS thought luke was in thailand?)


and last....

I am so so ready to know who she pick or not pick!!!!!! Because for me it is not a clear cut.


EVERYTHING on this post is my opinion, my speculations, my WTH questions. TY

HEA wrote:JoJo needs to come to grips with her overwhelming emotions and
if chase has been rejected at the fantasy night... why does she still has 2 roses to offer... are we in for: it is not a one way street speech? why is is such a big deal if she loves the 2 guys in front of her since the 3rd guy is not there to deliver the 2 roses? 2 ROSES = 2 GUYS = NO BRAINSTORMING no? the stunning interruption was mention in US MAGAZINE and we all assume it is Chase. So Chase is NOT standing at the RC? So  my question, again, is (quote) With only two roses to give out, (comma) she must trust her heart and her gut in the end (unquote)..... unless we have a 4th who came back? (the mistake the infamous RS thought luke was in thailand?)

I'm just gearing up for another akward 2 people/2 roses deja vu (Ben/Lauren/JoJo...sans Kayla.)  Hopefully it won't include the same super akward RC and cringe-worthy toasts to follow.  Kind of strange to do it 2 seasons in a row.  Even if she sent Chase home early I still see her having to "trust her gut in the end", which is probably why she sends Chase home earlier than planned...especially knowing that she "only has two roses to give out" and assume she already figured out that she loved the F1 & F2. I think TP have to kind of write it that way-otherwise they'd give away too much of the episode. JMO.

Good questions...I like having all lingering questions remaining-gives us something to think about & sort out while we wait it out another couple of days!

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HEA wrote: snipped
if chase has been rejected at the fantasy night... why does she still has 2 roses to offer... are we in for: it is not a one way street speech? why is is such a big deal if she loves the 2 guys in front of her since the 3rd guy is not there to deliver the 2 roses? 2 ROSES = 2 GUYS = NO BRAINSTORMING no? the stunning interruption was mention in US MAGAZINE and we all assume it is Chase. So Chase is NOT standing at the RC? So  my question, again, is (quote) With only two roses to give out, (comma) she must trust her heart and her gut in the end (unquote)..... unless we have a 4th who came back? (the mistake the infamous RS thought luke was in thailand?)
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Having only two roses left and two guys left has been done before. Ali gave  two roses after F3 Frank left. Roberto and ChrisL stood there and she gave them out one at  a time. She will make the famous line, I sent " ..." home. Stunned look by the remaining two.

Same script, different season IMHO.

Exactly!  Robby and Jordan won't know Chase has already been sent home, when they arrive at the RC, unless she tells them.  And I can't see her being allowed to do that because it's more dramatic to capture their reactions at the RC, than her telling each individually each on a date, etc.  Plus that makes them sweat it out a little longer, am I getting a rose for sure or not.  JMO

GuardianAngel wrote:

HEA wrote: snipped
if chase has been rejected at the fantasy night... why does she still has 2 roses to offer... are we in for: it is not a one way street speech? why is is such a big deal if she loves the 2 guys in front of her since the 3rd guy is not there to deliver the 2 roses? 2 ROSES = 2 GUYS = NO BRAINSTORMING no? the stunning interruption was mention in US MAGAZINE and we all assume it is Chase. So Chase is NOT standing at the RC? So  my question, again, is (quote) With only two roses to give out, (comma) she must trust her heart and her gut in the end (unquote)..... unless we have a 4th who came back? (the mistake the infamous RS thought luke was in thailand?)
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Having only two roses left and two guys left has been done before. Ali gave  two roses after F3 Frank left. Roberto and ChrisL stood there and she gave them out one at  a time. She will make the famous line, I sent " ..." home. Stunned look by the remaining two.

Same script, different season IMHO.

IA GA.....and having the 2 roses, for her to give out has been done before, as the script is, even though she picks them, they also have to agree to stay and pick her back, so shell give out the two roses Rob and Jordan will accept and move on to the Finale. same script forsure

SweetRose wrote:

HEA wrote:JoJo needs to come to grips with her overwhelming emotions and
if chase has been rejected at the fantasy night... why does she still has 2 roses to offer... are we in for: it is not a one way street speech? why is is such a big deal if she loves the 2 guys in front of her since the 3rd guy is not there to deliver the 2 roses? 2 ROSES = 2 GUYS = NO BRAINSTORMING no? the stunning interruption was mention in US MAGAZINE and we all assume it is Chase. So Chase is NOT standing at the RC? So  my question, again, is (quote) With only two roses to give out, (comma) she must trust her heart and her gut in the end (unquote)..... unless we have a 4th who came back? (the mistake the infamous RS thought luke was in thailand?)

I'm just gearing up for another akward 2 people/2 roses deja vu (Ben/Lauren/JoJo...sans Kayla.)  Hopefully it won't include the same super akward RC and cringe-worthy toasts to follow.  Kind of strange to do it 2 seasons in a row.  Even if she sent Chase home early I still see her having to "trust her gut in the end", which is probably why she sends Chase home earlier than planned...especially knowing that she "only has two roses to give out" and assume she already figured out that she loved the F1 & F2. I think TP have to kind of write it that way-otherwise they'd give away too much of the episode. JMO.

Good questions...I like having all lingering questions remaining-gives us something to think about & sort out while we wait it out another couple of days!

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelor/video/most-recent/VDKA0_n2y9t62l

Gawd those speeches were cringe worthy. Just as bad as that terribly awkward group hug they did. Hopefully that doesn't happen again, otherwise, the guys are going to have to quote what JoJo said to Ben: "I can't believe you can fit us in one hug."

IMO.