The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

2observe wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

BKay wrote:Sorry! I looked up the wrong day - on the 12th, sunset was at 6:48 pm.

Thanks ... So it looks like the camera was about 5 hrs off.   That's my guess

So, Robby was actually 2:42 pm, and Jordan was 3:49 pm.  Are the two guys appearance at the FRC normally that close together???

Oops, no because the frc was on May 9 11. So as Grace8136 mentioned upthread, these times are more likely when the film was uploaded to a computer.

eta: Grace8136 corrected me on the date

I think they usually do have them within 1-2 hrs of each other.

BKay wrote:

2observe wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Thanks ... So it looks like the camera was about 5 hrs off.   That's my guess

So, Robby was actually 2:42 pm, and Jordan was 3:49 pm.  Are the two guys appearance at the FRC normally that close together???

Oops, no because the frc was on May 9. So as Grace8136 mentioned upthread, these times are more likely when the film was uploaded to a computer.

We had guessed that it was May 11th. Where did you read May 9th? TIA

Oh yikes. I didn't go to the last updated film schedule - took it from an earlier one. I'll go back and edit my post. And probably need to stop posting tonight! Thanks Grace.

SORRY in advance if it is a long thread.
Thank you for your understanding and hopefully this will give more to talk about until sunday  



JOJO: I am so scared to let him go... I think I am having a panic attack (is is the letter that jordan wrote? she is wearing her proposal dress, she is a mess, is is before or after the ceremony?)

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/bachelorette-jojo-tells-runner-up-i-wanted-it-to-be-you-w430969


my scap from recorded TV

JOJO (it is really hard to me to do not accept) this love



my scap from recorded TV

Just for clarification. both scap were taken minutes apart. Her hair on her shoulder and chin are similar. It is not one guy and another, but the same.

ETA: as per @SweetRose it IS different. Well done



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For me, this scene is important. She is wearing her FRC dress, she has perfect make up, she has no shoes, she is wearing a bracelet, she is messing with her dress on a wet sand, she does not wear a I AM SO IN LOVE AND SO HAPPY face..... If it was a brainstorming I-DO-NOT-KNOW-WHO-TO-PICK, then it would be early day, not sunset, and definitely NOT messing her proposal dress.

The sails fishboats and bracelet, are definitely clues that this was not taped the same day. Nobody would mess a proposal dress before the proposal... but once it is over... This looks to me an after ceremony and still IMO, a scene added by prods to make sure the last images seen by the public is not a broken woman but a woman who made a choice... whatever the choice: 'simply walk away'

The final days of JoJo’s journey are filled with questions. Then, in a surprising, explosive ending, she must do the hardest thing she has ever done. Will her trip of self-discovery end with her accepting a proposal? Or will she simply walk away? Will one guy get the woman of his dreams or be left brokenhearted?

http://www.disneyabcpress.com/abc/shows/the-bachelorette/press-releases/

There is also this that I would like to fit in the scenario. Since she is on the top of the hill, all pretty, shoes and make up, I think this is about Robby. It could be his love gift. (funny that robby got everything right: family approval, dad's permission, love gift... yet he was 'left brokenhearted' without 'the woman of his dreams' -said several time by robby-)




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My last sleughting is the ear that we can see on the recent sneak peek. I am not the only one on this, but this is my guess
http://www.people.com/article/bachelorette-finale-sneak-peek-jojo-fletcher-in-love-jordan-rodgers-robby-hayes

IMO... the guy she is rejecting is jordan. Jordan has very distinctive ears IMO

ETA: probably a camera angle. It looks like it is Robby. Thanks to @SweetRose


People online - LINK from above

JORDAN


ROBBY

My scap from recorded TV

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I am still sticking to Live with Kelly and her: it is typical to say goodbye to 1 or to 2... and the NOONE theory.

Maybe at the last minute she got cold feet and 'listened her gut'?

ETA: the ITM made after the FRC (long extension hair) are quite interesting as they do not show a happy jojo whomever she is talking about.

As usual, tabloids go crazy and more and more rumors about Jordan rejected...
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/07/118098/bachelorette-finale-details-jojo-fletcher
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/bachelorette-jojo-tells-runner-up-i-wanted-it-to-be-you-w430969

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BUT I think Jojo is like Jillian with Ed... I think it was impossible for her to let go Jordan and I would not be surprised either that back to US, she contacted Jordan and decided to date him (I am hearing already her speech about it with CH puppy eyes) and why not a LIVE proposal by Jordan... still not a marriage like Fleiss wishes for 20 seasons, but close enough.


EVERYTHING in this post is my opinion, my own speculation about the FRC. nothing is factual. TY

BKay wrote:Oh yikes. I didn't go to the last updated film schedule - took it from an earlier one. I'll go back and edit my post. And probably need to stop posting tonight! Thanks Grace.

That's OK Bkay. No biggie.

2observe wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

BKay wrote:Sorry! I looked up the wrong day - on the 12th, sunset was at 6:48 pm.

Thanks ... So it looks like the camera was about 5 hrs off.   That's my guess

So, Robby was actually 2:42 pm, and Jordan was 3:49 pm.  Are the two guys appearance at the FRC normally that close together???

No- it would have been around 4:42 and 5:49 pm. This would be the cameras time stamp and would have nothing to do with when it was downloaded. ( If it was download time, the timestamp would be identical as they would get downloaded as a group from the digital card. ). All i was saying is that the camera wasnt on local Thailand time.

Litta's SCs from last nights preview are now up:  SC No Discussion Thread

I will make SCs of the new people preview and get them posted in the morning.

it is hard. on one pic i do see jordan's ear and on another I see more hairs like robby.

so here are some ITM... 1st pic is IMO in Thailand, 2nd is I presume in the US since she has extension hair.

Both with extension hair, she looks unhappy and both are associated with the guy.


JORDAN



my scap from recorded TV

ROBBY



my scap from recorded TV

mtnlvr55 wrote:

(Image copied from above)
IMO-the lighting tells the difference: brighter light on Robby, more shadows on Jordan.
So Jordan is later in the day.

Here's a beard comparison with them walking in (I think I got them too wide so you have to click on them to see-sorry SC first timer)...

My SC


My SC

I think the darker beard and rejection goes to Robby and "I love you" goes to Jordon.  But, that makes Robby "Seams."  However, I still think that this gives us one more point for Jordon IMO.

^^looks like it

They are making sure to edit poorly Jordan until the last minute.

Her mother, as per tabloids, said that her mother thought Jordan a player or too smooth. She obviously received hard comments for her to cry and be defensive. I honestly hope she ends with nobody in thailand, came back in the us, thought hard and without pressure decided to date the one she missed the most.