THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

agentcurls wrote:

agentcurls wrote:FRC preview: green=words came out of mouth/red=VO


"I fell in love with you (facing him/hair in the face)
and I still love you, but (two hand hold)
what you did to me (facing him)
it's not right. (one hand hold)
but I want you to know (stroking underside of his arm)
that it's really hard for me  (facing him but mouth is blocked)
to not accept this (two hand hold)
love." (wiping hair away from face)

Other possible interpretations: without frankenbites

To her F2: 
"I fell in love with you, and I still love you...(blah blah blah other words...) but I want you to know that it's really hard for me to not accept this love."

To her F1 or additional F2:
"What you did to me.....(blah blah blah, more words).....love..."

What she is saying to a producer:
"I just said good bye to a man that I... love...it's not right."

@aviej @AllAboutLove

I think it's smoke and mirrors. I think it was frankenbites strung together to give us an illusion of wrong doing. See my breakdown above^

So, I am wondering now with Jordan telling JoJo what she needs to hear 3x now, what is their trajectory moving forward? They have already overcome their obstacles it seems. What else could possibly be thrown their way? It looks like things between these two really heat up for them next episode. And now things are going to get amped up with Robby to make it appear he is gaining on Jordan, just like this past episode Chase appeared to. Maybe it will be glaringly obvious how it's going go when we get to Thailand.

agentcurls wrote:

agentcurls wrote:

agentcurls wrote:FRC preview: green=words came out of mouth/red=VO


"I fell in love with you (facing him/hair in the face)
and I still love you, but (two hand hold)
what you did to me (facing him)
it's not right. (one hand hold)
but I want you to know (stroking underside of his arm)
that it's really hard for me  (facing him but mouth is blocked)
to not accept this (two hand hold)
love." (wiping hair away from face)

Other possible interpretations: without frankenbites

To her F2: 
"I fell in love with you, and I still love you...(blah blah blah other words...) but I want you to know that it's really hard for me to not accept this love."

To her F1 or additional F2:
"What you did to me.....(blah blah blah, more words).....love..."

What she is saying to a producer:
"I just said good bye to a man that I... love...it's not right."

@aviej @AllAboutLove

I think it's smoke and mirrors. I think it was frankenbites strung together to give us an illusion of wrong doing. See my breakdown above^

So, I am wondering now with Jordan telling JoJo what she needs to hear 3x now, what is their trajectory moving forward? They have already overcome their obstacles it seems. What else could possibly be thrown their way? It looks like things between these two really heat up for them next episode. And now things are going to get amped up with Robby to make it appear he is gaining on Jordan, just like this past episode Chase appeared to. Maybe it will be glaringly obvious how it's going go when we get to Thailand.

Does everyone agree that she looks very upset (not happy crying) in that preview with blue suit guy?

It seems to me that the ITM looks over the top upset, not your usual I let someone go that I love, but I love someone else more kind of upset. I just need to compose myself and the love of my life is waiting for me, kind of upset. She is acting like she might have just made the biggest mistake of her life and already regretting it. If that is indeed F2, what does that say?

I wish there was a way to determine that the hands At the FRC are the same as Jordans holding the ring box in the limo.

I agree about the frankenbites. The editors have all kinds of evil powers! The thing that I go back to is that in Bens I love two women preview, a lot of what was said was in VO and where you couldnt see his mouth, and all of what they were selling turned out to be true.

She does look like she is trying to console him with the arm rub. Is it possible that she lets him go because she she has too many doubts and not willing to make a committment? Then They went for more dramatic effect in the preview?

One thing about this season for me is that I am completely unspoiled. I have seen nothing, heard nothing, read nothing about how this season turns out. Is she happy? Is she is love? If we knew that, we might feel more confident that she chooses someone at the end and is moving forward with him. In all other seasons I have at least known a bit more from post-season media stuff that the lead has done or spoiled sleuthing involving social media or safe house speculations. Flying blind this season really has amped up the feelings of uncertainty for me.

However, even with all of the stuff from this week - telling CH she feels strongly about a few guys and his joking that it would be ironic if she were to fall for 2 guys and her crying after derek left that she might not find her true love. I think she may, indeed, fall for 2 guys but, like Ben, I think she will choose her one final guy. I don't feel she will walk away alone.

I think she wants to be thunderstruck by one of them, to have something so overwhelmingly overt that she is 100% certain who is right for her. I do think it is important to follow your gut, but it is also important to follow your brain. I hope, whoever she chooses, that she does so wisely and with a balanced approach. Like she was warned, she cannot just focus on the chemistry alone. Compatibility is key to long term success. Only problem for us viewers is that we really have no freaking idea which guy is more compatible overall for her, because they show us nothing important about these guys and their lives.

She has a strong connection with all 4 final guys, but somebody is going to have to go at F4, and then at F3, and finally at F2. There have to be some factors that make her decide (other than tptb influencing her). After HTDs will see see lifestyle/location issues with one of the guys and cut him for that? Will she see a big difference in family compatibility? Of all of the weeks, I feel HTDs is actually the one time where we get a glimpse into who these contestants really are. I'm looking forward to HTDs.

^So true, MiaHawk. All of it. Well done.

Bringing this forward from early in our SC thread (and quoting myself... ).

Now that we've had a chance to get a feel for the personalities of the guys, it might be interesting to see what JoJo, herself, said she was looking for before the season began. (Or was it? Perhaps another mystery. JoJo wears the outfit she has on when she talked to Ali, Des and Kaitlyn. I posted this originally on May 5th...usually a date before the FRC is filmed. My guess is that it was taped before being aired...so possibly before the M&G, but could it have been taped during the HTD time frame? I'm not trying to get all conspiracy theory here, but it is possible I suppose. Then again JoJo looks like she did at the start of the season...not as stressed and puffy. So, who knows???)

Anyway, to my point...what does JoJo want? Based on what she says, I see Chase and Luke as the least likely of our F4 to fulfill her desire of someone who makes her laugh. I'd like to see JoJo cut back and have fun with the guy she finally does choose...hopefully we'll get to see some of this in the coming weeks (hmmm, Robby running down the hall in his CKs? JoJo was having a good time, for sure.)

Litta123 wrote:***snipped*** It might be something to tuck away for future reference as we try to pick out JoJo's F1.
***snipped***

The “crazy-excited” real estate developer has now moved on and is ready to find the man of her dreams. As for who she is looking for, Fletcher revealed, “I just want somebody that's my best friend, that can make me laugh.”

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source

Once again... :happydance:

Robby=



Do you need me to list all of the examples of when Robby made her laugh? Well, ok, since you insist!
Drinking out of wine bottle night one
Witty banter on the billiards table
making a wish at the fountain
Hide and Go Seek start to their SD
Who did she holler at during the Tango dancing in LaBoca for joking around?
Who did she laugh at during street soccer for trying to pay off goalie (which I might add she mentioned in her epi 6 blog)
Who does she laugh at running down the hallway in his skivvies?
Who is generally the most smiley of the F4 guys? Robby
Who makes her smile the most? Robby
Who makes her laugh the most? Robby

I'd round that statement out with this info left in the edit from episode 3 (though recorded at Falling Water in episode 4 during the group date):

"I know that I need somebody who is sweet and sensitive, but passionate and loving and deep. I want to be with somebody who has the ability to make me smile and to make me feel special. It is really important for me to end up with somebody who I know will be a best friend; somebody who I could easily see myself spending my life with. I want to feel safe--that's so important to me. It's something that I need, that I must have in a relationship."

Who is meeting these needs?

veg_out wrote:I'd round that statement out with this info left in the edit from episode 3 (though recorded at Falling Water in episode 4 during the group date):

"I know that I need somebody who is sweet and sensitive, but passionate and loving and deep. I want to be with somebody who has the ability to make me smile and to make me feel special. It is really important for me to end up with somebody who I know will be a best friend; somebody who I could easily see myself spending my life with. I want to feel safe--that's so important to me. It's something that I need, that I must have in a relationship."

Who is meeting these needs?

Robby.
I haven't finished cataloguing Jojo's comments about Robby yet, but on their SD she said many of these things about him. I've been listing them in Robby's thread, just haven't gotten that far yet.

^^Interesting veg.

Of our F4, the one I feel least fits that description is Jordan. I think she wants to feel all those things with him the most, but I don't see it yet.

I think Luke fits the first half of her statement. In many ways, I feel like JoJo is in awe of Luke. I don't see a mutual friendship forming. Perhaps Wells's statement of passion burning out could equally be applied to Luke as some of us have applied it to Jordan.

I think some of it describes Chase. The piece missing for me is the passionate part. Their moments together seem tender and sweet...and intense to some extent, but I wouldn't say passionate. Chase seems too cautious at the moment.

I kind of do see how Robby could be, perhaps, the best fit of her description...if he can get rid of the GF charge. If/when JoJo can resolve this with him, I could see her feeling safe, but not until that charge is resolved.

^Litta, I'm gonna need you to put your spoon down and walk away from the Spumoni!

I'm not sure right now where we're going with the rest of the season except that I think something will shake things up (I've said that 9 million times), and I think that this quote might be useful to us as we move forward in evaluating the relationships.

Though we've been distracted, I do think that this season is about the "good v. bad boys" and "feeling safe and protected." Who can JoJo trust?

veg_out wrote:I'd round that statement out with this info left in the edit from episode 3 (though recorded at Falling Water in episode 4 during the group date):

"I know that I need somebody who is sweet and sensitive, but passionate and loving and deep. I want to be with somebody who has the ability to make me smile and to make me feel special. It is really important for me to end up with somebody who I know will be a best friend; somebody who I could easily see myself spending my life with. I want to feel safe--that's so important to me. It's something that I need, that I must have in a relationship."

Who is meeting these needs? 

I think she will try to justify Jordan having all of these qualities if she is in deep enough. 

But it sounds like Luke and Chase fit the bill. Luke has maybe more passion, ATM. I still think more of Chase's passion will be unleashed later. It's simmering right now.  And Chase and Luke have certainly made her feel special.

"I know that I need somebody who is sweet and sensitive, but passionate and loving and deep.
This would be Luke to me.
I want to be with somebody who has the ability to make me smile
this would probably be Robby or Jordan, but Jordan also makes her frown alot too
and to make me feel special.
We dont see everything that they say, but I would say Luke here.  He rode in on a unicorn, he gave her the boots, have you listened to the things he says to her?
It is really important for me to end up with somebody who I know will be a best friend; somebody who I could easily see myself spending my life with.
who is most like Becca, her best friend? (!)  Only she knows who she sees spending the rest of her life with, my guess would be Jordan here
I want to feel safe--that's so important to me. It's something that I need, that I must have in a relationship.
She talked in her blog about feeling so safe when she is in Luke's arms (hands).  No rumors about cheating or mis-conduct"

Who is meeting these needs?
We all have our favorites and wear different colored glasses.  This is just my opinion.