The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Lucas15 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Just another thought . If Lauren got the best rooms/suites, then Ben would know it too. The question would be why ? All things are not equal in that dept. His stress is he left no wiggle room to wiggle out of. Oh the horror!

I think Ben would notice this but IMO we need to keep in mind the sequence of FD. I ran through known home town dates (pinpointed by observers) and feel that the earliest FD could have been 11/7 (based on observations by 3rd parties). There was not enough time after the last HTD to travel to LA, do a RC, travel to Jamaica and have an FD before 11/7 and  then do a FD on 11/7 and from date content we know that 11/7 was Calia's FD. We know there was another FD on 11/9 and that content was observed and we now know (from the episode description) that 11/9 was JoJo. The last date wasn't observed but has to have been Lauren's because she's the only one left.

So when Ben sees that Lauren got the best accommodations he's already had the other 2 dates. It will not be shown that way because while whatever happens on those dates happened before Laiuren's date they want viewers to believe it happened after Lauren's date to cast doubt about what happens with Lauren.

Also - while we've been seeing / hearing Lauren profess her love for Ben since Warsaw - Ben hasn't. They have kept her from telling him this even though she said she wanted to on the HTD. Why? IMO because they fear if Ben hears that clearly from Lauren before his dates with the other two girls he's going to have a very difficult time compartmentalizing his feelings - he'd do better if he is uncertain about Lauren. And they would have been whispering in Ben's ear to create doubts over how Lauren feels about him to keep him off balance - and from shutting down. They are very good about doing things like this - much better than Ben is about figuring out he's being played by the producers.

IMO whatever happens on those other two dates happens before Ben learns how Lauren feels. IMO once he does learn is when he realizes he's put himself into a corner and the rest of the season will leave Ben trying to get out of that corner.
JMHO

mtnlvr55 wrote:

GA SC



Litta SC

I believe I have a match: the thing to the right of Ben's head is that jar on the nightstand.
There is a candle in it that gives off a glow. If you blow up the jar the pattern seems to be an exact match. Ben's head must be on a pillow. In viewing the video there seems to be a small amount of color on one side of the pillow: maybe the backside of one of the pillows that is on the bed?

AmyB wrote:

mtnlvr55 wrote:

GA SC



Litta SC

I believe I have a match: the thing to the right of Ben's head is that jar on the nightstand.
There is a candle in it that gives off a glow. If you blow up the jar the pattern seems to be an exact match. Ben's head must be on a pillow. In viewing the video there seems to be a small amount of color on one side of the pillow: maybe the backside of one of the pillows that is on the bed?

I don't think it's the jars in the screencap; it doesn't make sense in terms of angles because A) they aren't tall enough to be that far above his head even if he is lying down and B) they're situated too far away from the bed for them to fit in the frame. Ben would have to be sitting right on the edge of the bed for the jar to be on his right, so JoJo would have to be standing up next to the bed or sitting on the floor for the jar to still be in the frame. 

Plus, I'm about 80% sure it's wallpaper. It looks painted on, and on the left of Ben you can see another pattern on the wall - are there any villas or suites which have wallpaper similar to this?

Lucas15 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Just another thought . If Lauren got the best rooms/suites, then Ben would know it too. The question would be why ? All things are not equal in that dept. His stress is he left no wiggle room to wiggle out of. Oh the horror!

I think Ben would notice this but IMO we need to keep in mind the sequence of FD. I ran through known home town dates (pinpointed by observers) and feel that the earliest FD could have been 11/7 (based on observations by 3rd parties). There was not enough time after the last HTD to travel to LA, do a RC, travel to Jamaica and have an FD before 11/7 and  then do a FD on 11/7 and from date content we know that 11/7 was Calia's FD. We know there was another FD on 11/9 and that content was observed and we now know (from the episode description) that 11/9 was JoJo. The last date wasn't observed but has to have been Lauren's because she's the only one left.

So when Ben sees that Lauren got the best accommodations he's already had the other 2 dates. It will not be shown that way because while whatever happens on those dates happened before Laiuren's date they want viewers to believe it happened after Lauren's date to cast doubt about what happens with Lauren.

Also - while we've been seeing / hearing Lauren profess her love for Ben since Warsaw - Ben hasn't. They have kept her from telling him this even though she said she wanted to on the HTD. Why? IMO because they fear if Ben hears that clearly from Lauren before his dates with the other two girls he's going to have a very difficult time compartmentalizing his feelings - he'd do better if he is uncertain about Lauren. And they would have been whispering in Ben's ear to create doubts over how Lauren feels about him to keep him off balance - and from shutting down. They are very good about doing things like this - much better than Ben is about figuring out he's being played by the producers.

IMO whatever happens on those other two dates happens before Ben learns how Lauren feels. IMO once he does learn is when he realizes he's put himself into a corner and the rest of the season will leave Ben trying to get out of that corner.
JMHO

Al wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:Omg, who does he say the first ILY to??

Considering I don't think it's Caila since he lets her go this episode, I'm guessing JoJo since we have proof that the other I love you in the previews goes to Lauren. They both look like a sincere, loved up I love you IMO.

Ya he's emotional in both. We knew this was coming so I'm not surprised. This is the good tv part

mtnlvr55 wrote:

GA SC



Litta SC

I believe I have a match: the thing to the right of Ben's head is that jar on the nightstand.
There is a candle in it that gives off a glow. If you blow up the jar the pattern seems to be an exact match. Ben's head must be on a pillow. In viewing the video there seems to be a small amount of color on one side of the pillow: maybe the backside of one of the pillows that is on the bed?