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Post by Guest Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:37 pm

In the foiler column, I would add Ben promising Jojo he would not blindside her

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Post by moonchild Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:57 pm

sosleepy wrote:I think Ben can be the most himself with JoJo because there is no pressure. She's friend-zoned. His confidant, good listener through this. He isn't trying to "be his best self" to woo her like he is with Lauren. That doesn't mean feelings don't develop for him and JoJo, but I just don't see how anything could possibly catch up to how he looks and acts with Lauren.

Those that think it's one sided, huh? I think Lauren is falling just as hard as Ben. It's definitely not a Brad/Emily situation. Ben hasn't really ITM'd for Lauren much since the first date. If you go back and watch, it's really Lauren who is narrating their story. She's falling, she's falling hard. Maybe it's harder to see because she's not the Bachelorette, so we don't have her interactions with others to compare like we do with Ben? Anyway, she is all over him. She wants this man just as much as he wants her, IMO. I'm loving Ben- my favorite Bachelor BY FAR since maybe Andrew Firestone. I think he is genuine. I hope this works for these two!

Ben has said that JoJo knows the real him better than anyone else there. He did say in an ITM right before Lauren's first 1-1 that he really, really wanted Lauren to get to know the real him. IMO this point is important to Ben. I believe that if anyone is to fall in love with him and for him to choose someone in the end, he wants it to be with someone that knows the real him not the TV Bachelor Ben. Hence, we have the ITM with Lauren saying after her 2nd 1-1 date that she is not just in love with Bachelor Ben but in love with Ben from Warsaw (paraphrasing).

I guess what is so confusing for me this season is that we have the obvious frontrunner, the love interest, and then we have the IMO the obvious F2. Quite often in the F3, one is the passion, one is the good friend and the other is the true love interest. But it seems to me that we have the passion and the good friend rolled up into one with JoJo. I think both of these are important factors in his parent's relationship that he is trying to emulate. Every time a case is made for one, a perfectly acceptable case can be made for the other.


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Post by Cocoasneeze Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:04 pm

sophienette wrote:In the foiler column, I would add Ben promising Jojo he would not blindside her

Funnily, I would add it to the spoiler column too.
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:08 pm

laugh out loud

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:11 pm

Fingersandtoes wrote:
sophienette wrote:In the foiler column, I would add Ben promising Jojo he would not blindside her

Funnily, I would add it to the spoiler column too.

True. Becca didn't want to be blindsided either and look what happened . giggling
Ben told Lauren he doesn't want to be blindsided and so with all the drama Jojo is bringing , and her life's uncertainty , I say the writing is on the wall. The only blindsiding we have to take into account is Ben because he's the lead , and it's his choice who's blindsiding would come into play. His or Jojo's . Mo.

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Post by moonchild Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:21 pm

ForeverLove wrote:
Fingersandtoes wrote:
sophienette wrote:In the foiler column, I would add Ben promising Jojo he would not blindside her

Funnily, I would add it to the spoiler column too.

True. Becca didn't want to be blindsided either and look what happened . giggling
Ben told Lauren he doesn't want to be blindsided and so with all the drama Jojo is bringing , and her life's uncertainty , I say the writing is on the wall. The only blindsiding we have to take into account is Ben because he's the lead , and it's his choice who's blindsiding would come into play. His or Jojo's . Mo.

What drama is JoJo bringing? and what is her life uncertainty?


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Post by Guest Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:24 pm

moonchild wrote:
ForeverLove wrote:
Fingersandtoes wrote:

Funnily, I would add it to the spoiler column too.

True. Becca didn't want to be blindsided either and look what happened . giggling
Ben told Lauren he doesn't want to be blindsided and so with all the drama Jojo is bringing , and her life's uncertainty , I say the writing is on the wall. The only blindsiding we have to take into account is Ben because he's the lead , and it's his choice who's blindsiding would come into play. His or Jojo's . Mo.

What drama is JoJo bringing? and what is her life uncertainty?

Just the previews of brothers and her ex. To me it's like they are trying to open up the legitimacy of why Jojo gets let go.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:30 pm

sophienette wrote:In the foiler column, I would add Ben promising Jojo he would not blindside her

Something that can be taken off the foiler list is, Ben only referring to Lauren as a girlfriend because we already know he made a reference about her as a wife .
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Post by moonchild Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:10 pm

ForeverLove wrote:
moonchild wrote:
ForeverLove wrote:

True. Becca didn't want to be blindsided either and look what happened . giggling
Ben told Lauren he doesn't want to be blindsided and so with all the drama Jojo is bringing , and her life's uncertainty , I say the writing is on the wall. The only blindsiding we have to take into account is Ben because he's the lead , and it's his choice who's blindsiding would come into play. His or Jojo's . Mo.

What drama is JoJo bringing? and what is her life uncertainty?

Just the previews of brothers and her ex. To me it's like they are trying to open up the legitimacy of why Jojo gets let go.

Quite often it's not nearly as bad as the previews indicate. IMO Both of these issues seem very producer induced. I'm anxious to see what the episode shows.


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Post by agentcurls Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:24 pm

ForeverLove wrote:
Fingersandtoes wrote:
sophienette wrote:In the foiler column, I would add Ben promising Jojo he would not blindside her

Funnily, I would add it to the spoiler column too.

True. Becca didn't want to be blindsided either and look what happened . giggling
Ben told Lauren he doesn't want to be blindsided and so with all the drama Jojo is bringing , and her life's uncertainty , I say the writing is on the wall. The only blindsiding we have to take into account is Ben because he's the lead , and it's his choice who's blindsiding would come into play. His or Jojo's . Mo.

I wonder why Ben said that? And I wonder why that was left in his edit? Maybe it's nothing more than MF trying to confuse us with all the blindside references.
He can't be feeling too blindsided by JoJo's ex & bros though as she gets to at least the FD level with him.
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:37 pm

agentcurls wrote:
ForeverLove wrote:
Fingersandtoes wrote:

Funnily, I would add it to the spoiler column too.

True. Becca didn't want to be blindsided either and look what happened . giggling
Ben told Lauren he doesn't want to be blindsided and so with all the drama Jojo is bringing , and her life's uncertainty , I say the writing is on the wall. The only blindsiding we have to take into account is Ben because he's the lead , and it's his choice who's blindsiding would come into play. His or Jojo's . Mo.

I wonder why Ben said that? And I wonder why that was left in his edit? Maybe it's nothing more than MF trying to confuse us with all the blindside references.
He can't be feeling too blindsided by JoJo's ex & bros though as she gets to at least the FD level with him.

I think his reference is about not just wanting a showmance . He wants a real relationship out of this, and if he chooses wrong, it can end up as that, a showmance . Blindsided could refer to picking the wrong person to me. But again, like Becca showed, no matter what, the girls can be blindsided as Ben is figuring things out . So even if he says he won't like he did to Jojo, that was weeks before and things can change as he gets closer to making his decision. Mo

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Post by mysthelma Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:43 pm

ForeverLove wrote:
moonchild wrote:
ForeverLove wrote:The thing about the two ily's is, why reveal it so early? Now everyone is anticipating it as a huge event much like when Ben asked to step away from the RC and sit on steps to discuss with Ch over what to do. It ended up as much ado about nothing, although I do wonder what was it that could change everything ? Letting two girls go at F5 RC? The fact that Ben says I do love you, and the other I'm in love with you as well spells the difference to me.


Maybe it was already set up for Becca to have a HTD.  They start making those plans early in the filming.

Oh that makes sense. So who instead of Becca do you think was supposed to go home ? Amanda? Caila?

Not sure. If you watch Ben,s time with Caila during the 3 on 1 date, Caila in her itm said her hometown is next week and she hopes it's as impactful as Ben showing them his community. To me she sounded she knew she was getting a hometown.

I got the impression they all knew who was getting a hometown date except Becca because they wanted her to be blindsided


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