The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

jcrbil wrote:IMO, that JoJo "makes things easier" is  exactly what would not make her f1... "easier" implies to me that she doesn't make Ben overly excited.... and the look on his face when with her (just pretty normal) compared with the look in his eyes when he gazes at Lauren says everything I need to know.

agentcurls wrote:

jcrbil wrote:IMO, that JoJo "makes things easier" is  exactly what would not make her f1... "easier" implies to me that she doesn't make Ben overly excited.... and the look on his face when with her (just pretty normal) compared with the look in his eyes when he gazes at Lauren says everything I need to know.

I see that and yes, that gives me pause for a JoJo F1.
But it could mean something else in a different context. Maybe JoJo is easier to figure out and less complicated and maybe that won him over in the end? I realize it is pretty unlikely, but again....I have a BAD case of the "what ifs"
Ahhhhhh.....Yes, the enraptured gazes! Those are undeniable, I admit & besides the spoiler those have me almost completely sold on LauBen.
But I do seem to remember Trista Sutter staring at Charlie Maher (F2) in the same way and telling him she wanted to name her baby daughter "Charlie Rose" someday.

jcrbil wrote:IMO, that JoJo "makes things easier" is  exactly what would not make her f1... "easier" implies to me that she doesn't make Ben overly excited.... and the look on his face when with her (just pretty normal) compared with the look in his eyes when he gazes at Lauren says everything I need to know.

Lucas15 wrote:

jcrbil wrote:IMO, that JoJo "makes things easier" is  exactly what would not make her f1... "easier" implies to me that she doesn't make Ben overly excited.... and the look on his face when with her (just pretty normal) compared with the look in his eyes when he gazes at Lauren says everything I need to know.

IIRC it's mostly been CH that's been singing the praises of how JoJo makes Ben's life easier - Ben - not so much. CH is just doing his job of casting doubt - IMHO.

But - is easy what Ben really wants in a wife? AFAIK the best statement Ben has made about what he's looking for can be found in his conversation with Lauren on their first 1-1 date. He said that when his father went in for triple-bypass surgery he saw:

"My Mom is a mess. I saw the pain she was going through ... her fear of losing this person. I forget that side if it ... I see them so often joking with each other and I forget the depth to which that love exists. It was a good reminder but also a hard reminder that that's what I'm looking for."

It doesn't sound to me like Ben is looking for the easy way out - he's looking for that "can't live without you" kind of depth in love. I think if we want to understand the choice that Ben made we have to look for where he found that kind of love.

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERD0pHz3OZg&list=PLdp5SNBhNKqzPwl1m6G-QZL2A3UI7IV_k&index=5

JMHO

ForeverLove wrote:Your list is absolutely awesome imo. What I love is your list for Lauren is getting longer .

Can I say I've been thinking of things regarding Jojo. CH said said Jojo made things easier for Ben and there's something to be said about that. I think in the end, though hurt, she will make that easy for Ben too. Just mo. Sometimes the spark can be strong in the beginning , but as time goes on ,there might be less and less between them that Ben might feel as substance for a real relationship. They might have a lot of passion,  but not enough of what can carry them through after the show. Ben labeled Jojo as passionate to Ellen, Caila as sexy and Lauren as sweet. Her ily to Ben was anything but passionate and we saw the waterfall pics where Ben was turned on. What if the passion was greater than the substance ? Just my musing .

sophienette wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Your list is absolutely awesome imo. What I love is your list for Lauren is getting longer .

Can I say I've been thinking of things regarding Jojo. CH said said Jojo made things easier for Ben and there's something to be said about that. I think in the end, though hurt, she will make that easy for Ben too. Just mo. Sometimes the spark can be strong in the beginning , but as time goes on ,there might be less and less between them that Ben might feel as substance for a real relationship. They might have a lot of passion,  but not enough of what can carry them through after the show. Ben labeled Jojo as passionate to Ellen, Caila as sexy and Lauren as sweet. Her ily to Ben was anything but passionate and we saw the waterfall pics where Ben was turned on. What if the passion was greater than the substance ? Just my musing .

I would add CH comments on in the pro-Lauren side! Chris almost never supports the F1 on interviews or in his blog until finale... he almost dissed SeanCat and Jash during their seasons! According to him Ben F was the one Ashley could be relaxed and herself around (ahem, now I see a theme) and Sean and Lindsey were MFEO!

sophienette wrote:Agreed, but my point is I would be more concerned about a foiler if he was trying to sell us the spoiler ;)

agentcurls wrote:Added a few things to this list, humor me:  

Lauren F1:
Spoiler
Undeniable attraction & bond
special 1-on-1 time to walk thru Mex City
Photo of thier first interaction at mansion
Ben wowed upon first glance
Blindside references (JoJo, Becca, Ben) 
Family seems happy/excited
Friends of Ben's following her SM
Possible Twitter clues ("fixer upper" references)
Her quieter SM activity, sans promos
Ben's trips to LA
Other contestants commented on thier obvious connection
Not much is said about Lauren in Ben's ITMs (would give too much away?) 
Personal invitation to 1-on-1 in Indiana & in his everyday element 
Caila & JoJo being more guarded, the relationships never catch up
JoJo's busy SM activity (preparing for next step post-Ben?)
*edited* JoJo going through motions to get 'Ette role
Us Weekly story (were they right about Des/Chris or Team Brooks all the way?)
Lauren is emo in ITMs (per edit, usually F1)
TPTB have held back in previews LauBen confessions for later time to get max impact possibly
Season preview: "what we have is real (hugs Caila) and scary (w.fall jump with JoJo) and amazing (kisses Amanda in hot tub) and just (kisses Lauren H.) incredible (kisses Caila FD NP) No Lauren B. in sight
Season preview: no LB profession of feelings or love in person; but one JoJo confession in person


Foiler/upset:
Spoiler put out quite early in season
LauBen too obvious after 7 epis?
Blinding viewers w/LauBen in edit post-spoiler so other relationships go under the radar? 
Foiler was overturned by SnapchatGate last season, when will another foiler strike?
Slow burn vs. hot flame
The substance of what Ben says about JoJo in the edit
Doubts/fears expressed by both JoJo & Caila in the edit
Curious you tube channel dedicated to Lauren: "xBushnellBachelorettex"
MF's comment about this season being his 2nd fave after Jolly's
"3/4 of a Mesnick" reference
JoJo's less detached SM compared to Lauren (a more positive experience for her?)
Since when has MF given us a straight-up love story with minimal wavering in edit?
"girlfriend" vs "wife" references
Season preview "It's not often in life that you get the opportunity (FD boat embrace w/Caila) to shake things up (LauBen kiss on FD beach) I want to come out of this a better man for my wife" (BenJo fireworks kiss)
Per edit: Will imperfect Ben be ok with Lauren? She admitted she was very picky to Ben. Dad also pointed it out. She seems pretty concerned about how Ben sees her. Why didn't she brush off the Leah stuff? Why wasn't she more confident? Could it be b/c someone called her out on being less than perfect. I see a theme here.
Ben saying mid-way thru he didn't have to question who Lauren was anymore vs. JoJo who he is so comfortable w/ and whom he can be himself with[/b]
With so many "blindside" references, is the audience the ones who will be? 

JMHO's

joelle_fletcher Sooo tonight, this happens! Thank you @cubs for sharing your stomping grounds and giving me a memory that will last a lifetime #wrigleyfield #TheBachelor

sophienette wrote:I would add CH comments on in the pro-Lauren side! Chris almost never supports the F1 on interviews or in his blog until finale... he almost dissed SeanCat and Jash during their seasons! According to him Ben F was the one Ashley could be relaxed and herself around (ahem, now I see a theme) and Sean and Lindsey were MFEO!